Quite a successful troll, all in all.

Quite a successful troll, all in all.

Probably. I gave him the benefit of the doubt for as long as possible but I will be bailing out now.

Am not trolling our changing the rules am trying to understand them But with my only context to really compare them to is GW way of doing rules. Why is that so hard for people to get that I read the rules and try to interpret what they getting at

Am dont get our carry for a PS order movement it should be you go I go and all combat is treated as being done at same time so say I move first then opposition then I shoot any ships killed stay on table my opposition shoots all killed ship are now removed and we go to next turn

I'll bite, and hopefully help if not you, someone else.

In any sort of fight, do you stop moving, waiting for your opponent to finish moving, and then move all your stuff? No. Each pilot/person would decide what to do, move, and then shoot/hit, or whatever. The PS stat represents people's skill at flying a ship, and therefore how good they are at reacting to other people's moves (aces boosting and barrel rolling), and how fast they can shoot (high PS shoots first).

Stop comparing it to GW. It's an entirely different game. Take the rules as they are and stop viewing them through the prism of 40K.

Am not trolling our changing the rules am trying to understand them But with my only context to really compare them to is GW way of doing rules. Why is that so hard for people to get that I read the rules and try to interpret what they getting at

We understand that, and we are telling you to stop doing so, and to do only what the cards tell you to. 99% of the time, there are no problems with that, and you should be fine.

I would but it really my only other Major game I ever played

I would but it really my only other Major game I ever played

Just forget everything about it. Try to learn this game from scratch, without ever thinking of GW. This game has nothing to do with GW games. Whenever you think "but in GW it works like that" then continue to think "but this is not GW and thus it works differently here". Whenever you think "but in reality, things work like that and not like in this game", then go on with "but this is a game and doesn't work like reality".

And if ten people tell you how a thing works and why it does, stop arguing about it and just accept that this is the way the thing works. If you keep arguing and try to make the rules different from what they are, you'll never actually play this game. And you'll keep losing.

Essentially, your very premise is wrong. This game is never about interpreting rules. Either you know and understand how they work, or you can learn how they do from the rulebook, the FAQ, and the forums. For any card or rule older than the latest FAQ, there is almost never any wiggle room for interpretation.

Also, I'm out.

OK so know one else compared this game to any other game when then learning the rules. Our use other games as a context to compare it with.

Also I thought GW hand there hands in all games as there the biggest game company any more heck ffg does GW games

I compared the them in terms of ease of learning; complexity; and enjoyment. I didn't read the X-Wing rules and try work out what the equivalent rule/mechanism would be in 40K. Which is what you seem to be doing.

Am not trolling our changing the rules am trying to understand them But with my only context to really compare them to is GW way of doing rules. Why is that so hard for people to get that I read the rules and try to interpret what they getting at

X-Wing is a different game that plays by a different set of rules. There are some games with similar rules but Warhammer is apparently NOT even close to being one of them.

When you start playing a new game play by THAT games rules before you go and try interpreting it through the obscuring lenses of some other game system. We see you've dropped another MASSIVE bombshell of a house rule on us radically changes how the game is played. If you're trying to play "X-Wing" then work on using those rules. If you just want to try forcing the game into some other game system that is something you may need to work out on your own.

I'm willing to bet that the difference between X-Wing and Armada are enough that they will really confuse someone who doesn't want to pay attention to the specifics of each game and this is between two StarWars miniature games currently being put out by the same company. Expecting to mesh something completely unrelated is asking a lot.

I came into X-Wing after playing WotC's various skirmish games. My first miniatures were DnD skirmishes which later grew into Star Wars Miniatures. The systems for those games were very close and also tied into the RPGs but there were still enough differences that trouble could be had.

Step 1) Forget everything about any other game system, like ALL of it, it won't help.

Step 2) Read the X-wing rules and play your games by following the rules exactly as they are written . Do not tweak, interpret or otherwise change them until you actually can use the whole lot.

Step 3) There is no step 3.

Failure to do so will lead you to play whatever game you've made up using X-wing miniatures. It's fine for you, but it's not X-wing and no one will be able to help you make sense of your made up rules.

A+ for trolling, though

A+ for trolling, though

Based on the definition of troll I'd say you're the one trolling here.

OK so know one else compared this game to any other game when then learning the rules. Our use other games as a context to compare it with.

Also I thought GW hand there hands in all games as there the biggest game company any more heck ffg does GW games

I'm going to ask perhaps a stupid question. Is English your first language? Is there possibly a reading comprehension issue here? I don't say this to be demeaning. Heck, I can't write a second language in any conversational level so this is not mean as an insult.

Or is this an age reading issue? Seriously... GW having their hands in all games? I've known a lot of people in the industry who have never been involved with GW. How would you even assume one gaming company controls them all? GW is big, very big, but they don't have their fingers in everything.

Get away from arguing anything even remotely connected to GW. THIS IS NOT A GW PRODUCT. It bares no relation to GW. They get zero money in sales and marketing. This game competes against GW in terms of sales and player base.

You don't get to drive down the street and run a red light because you interpret the light as being crimson.

Everything in this game has been balanced around the way the rules are written. If you start applying your own interpretations, you break that balance. The point cost of a Vader or Wedge becomes too expensive if you can just choose to have your PS 1 ship fire first because it's your turn and you get to choose which unit fires.

I guess I interpret a lot of things I read our am so use to doing it with all the games I have self taught my self ever game I own and spent most of my Time playing Against my self. My brother use to play with me once in awhile but he just goes by what I say to do

Please remember, this is a star wars game, so you do as Yoda tells you to do.

I guess I interpret a lot of things I read our am so use to doing it with all the games I have self taught my self ever game I own and spent most of my Time playing Against my self. My brother use to play with me once in awhile but he just goes by what I say to do

ITT: OP asks for assistance in understanding the game. People seek to help and ask questions to better understand the situation. It transpires that the OP doesn't actually follow the rules as written, and instead seeks to "interpret" them based on some self-developed quasi-theory which has something to do with once having played 40K. It also involves violating basic, core tenants of the game such as the PS-based activation system.

OP then proceeds to get surly as people explain to him why his actions are the direct reason to his play experience being different to the rest of ours, and why the game doesn't seem to play "right".

*N.B. The OP's spelling and grammar are atrocious, which may help explain why he struggles to understand the rules.

OK so know one else compared this game to any other game when then learning the rules. Our use other games as a context to compare it with.

Also I thought GW hand there hands in all games as there the biggest game company any more heck ffg does GW games

No, we didn't. It has its own rules. Forget 40K entirely when dealing with X-Wing.

Do what the rules say to do, don't do what they don't say to do.

OK so know one else compared this game to any other game when then learning the rules. Our use other games as a context to compare it with.

Also I thought GW hand there hands in all games as there the biggest game company any more heck ffg does GW games

No, we didn't. It has its own rules. Forget 40K entirely when dealing with X-Wing.

Do what the rules say to do, don't do what they don't say to do.

This requires actually reading the rules first, which it's becoming very, very obvious the OP hasn't actually done.

(Also, FFG don't do GW games any more, the two companies ended the licensing agreement between them earlier this year)

This requires actually reading the rules first, which it's becoming very, very obvious the OP hasn't actually done.

I think it's fairly obvious the OP has read them. Stop being unnecessarily unpleasant to a new forummer. If you've got nothing to contribute but hostility then don't post at all: we don't need people cluttering this thread with worthless insults.

This requires actually reading the rules first, which it's becoming very, very obvious the OP hasn't actually done.

I think it's fairly obvious the OP has read them. Stop being unnecessarily unpleasant to a new forummer. If you've got nothing to contribute but hostility then don't post at all: we don't need people cluttering this thread with worthless insults.

You think it's obvious that he has read the rules?

He has stated many times that he openly ignores the rules for activation and instead uses "I go, you go", so it's not so far fetched to think that he has skipped that section.

He has stated that he doesn't bother with the rules about equipping upgrades, or actually following the Combat phase step of performing a single attack. Instead he just considers that a Y-wing has both lasers AND ion turret AND torpedoes and fires each of them every round.

So he isn't paying attention to the Activation phase rules, not to the Combat phase rules. Of course, the "I go, you go" totally discards the Planification phase like totally. And he is skipping also the Squad Building rules when he said that about ignoring upgrades.

So in your opinion, which rules has he read and is applying? Those for the End Phase?

At this point, we don't even know if he is using the actions. He insists that combats take forever because he cannot deal damage. That sounds totally like he has skipped the Focus and Target Lock rules.

I don't want to be toxic, or hostile, or unfriendly, or anything.

But this guy has basically said that he doesn't bother applying the game rules. He just moving X-wing miniatures around, using the corpus of Warhammer rules he has in his head, and somehow assuming that what he is doing is what everyone should do, since he started it all questioning why people play so weirdly in the videos and streamed matches.

I don't think he is a troll. But I don't think either that he has bothered to read the manual, or if he has read it, it has left absolutely no imprint on him. He has learned how to play ONE game, then he plays all other games in the world as if they were that same one game. Doesn't it sounds illogical, weird, strange?

His tortured grammar and spelling is the cherry on top that tells me that this guy just seems like a person that has a hard time learning stuff and isn't even able (or willing) to read a 12 page game manual and understand it.

The same that happened with Frogy84. Another forum poster that last year made the same kind of questions in the same forums. (Perhaps the same forum poster under a different name?)

I really doubt any amount of helpful and patient posts will change his attitude towards the game, or his understanding of the rules.

As some other posters have realized and said before, perhaps only by actually meeting him in person and teaching him the game slowly and step by step will serve any purpose. Perhaps that is how he learned how to play that other one game.

He has stated many times that he openly ignores the rules for activation and instead uses "I go, you go", so it's not so far fetched to think that he has skipped that section.

How can you ignore a rule if you don't know it exists?

He has stated many times that he openly ignores the rules for activation and instead uses "I go, you go", so it's not so far fetched to think that he has skipped that section.

How can you ignore a rule if you don't know it exists?

Because it seems like he's only learning about these rules by reading these threads...

He has stated many times that he openly ignores the rules for activation and instead uses "I go, you go", so it's not so far fetched to think that he has skipped that section.

How can you ignore a rule if you don't know it exists?

Take it both in the sense of "being ignorant of" and of "actively taking no notice of". That was my intention. He either knows there is a rule, but chose to ignore it (that is weird, because why would you do that?), or he is ignorant of the existence of that rule.