So is there a max level or PC limit in this game? Maybe I missed it? Considering there aren't really "levels" as in a standard D20 game, and PC's can cross specialize, is there actually a limit?

So is there a max level or PC limit in this game? Maybe I missed it? Considering there aren't really "levels" as in a standard D20 game, and PC's can cross specialize, is there actually a limit?

The theoretical limit is to have every single talent tree filled out completely, both signature abilities related to the character's starting career, and every single skill at 5 ranks. Other than that, there is no "level limit".

Practically speaking, nobody is ever going to get to this (ridiculous?) level of power or even a fraction of it.

So is there a max level or PC limit in this game? Maybe I missed it? Considering there aren't really "levels" as in a standard D20 game, and PC's can cross specialize, is there actually a limit?

The theoretical limit is to have every single talent tree filled out completely, both signature abilities related to the character's starting career, and every single skill at 5 ranks. Other than that, there is no "level limit".

Practically speaking, nobody is ever going to get to this (ridiculous?) level of power or even a fraction of it.

So then it's possible to keep the same character through multiple campaigns and even progress through the different settings!? Oh man this is AMAZING!!!

Just as a thought experiment, I wonder what the point cost for a maxed out character would be. . . .

Just as a thought experiment, I wonder what the point cost for a maxed out character would be. . . .

Relatively simple math problem. I'm not going to do it but it shouldn't be too hard to figure out.

My rough estimates:

Skills: 3.000 xp

Talents:30.000 xp

Signature abilities: 2.500 xp

Force powers: 3.000 xp

So then it's possible to keep the same character through multiple campaigns and even progress through the different settings!? Oh man this is AMAZING!!!

As an example, I've been GMing a campaign off and on for almost 3 years (we try to meet tri-weekly but it doesn't always work out), PCs are almost at 600XP, and nowhere near maxed out. Lots of people going for a lot longer...

That said, you can very easily become a one-trick pony, e.g.: an all Brawn droid with maxed Melee and some lethal Melee talents can be done within 200XP or less, but the character will pretty much suck at everything else.

That said, you can very easily become a one-trick pony, e.g.: an all Brawn droid with maxed Melee and some lethal Melee talents can be done within 200XP or less, but the character will pretty much suck at everything else .

Fixed that for you.

18 Careers

108 Specs +3 Universal Specs

To complete a Talent Tree 300xp

Thats 32300 for ALL Trees. Not Counting Buying them

To Buy ALL trees, including the Extra to buy out of Career specs: 63170

To Max ALL Force Talents, assuming 16 Powers at 225 per power: 3600

To Buy ALL Ranks in ALL Skills, EXCLUDING the extra to buy out of career skills (As that would be a massive variable depending on path, PLUS excluding free ranks, so assuming zero ranks in everything) : 2475

Approx 101645 XP.

To truly be at a point where you have MAXED your character, as you have nothing left to buy.

(Assuming FFG dont add anything else)

(Assuming my maths are even remotely correct.... and thats a MASSIVE maybe..)

(Excluding any custom skills...)

OOOH... excluding Signature Abilities too.

Plus 4680 for all Signature Abilities..... soooo 106325.

One Hundred and Six THOUSAND.. Three Hundred and Twenty Five. Or thereabouts... maybe.

One Hundred and Six THOUSAND.... and change.

Just as a thought experiment, I wonder what the point cost for a maxed out character would be. . . .

It would be even more for a Force user. All Force powers fully maxed out.

Just as a thought experiment, I wonder what the point cost for a maxed out character would be. . . .

It would be even more for a Force user. All Force powers fully maxed out.

See my post I assumed all Force powers maxed as well..

However, the Actual number would be higher, as I have not factored in the extra cost for buying an Out of Career Skill, as thats going to very depending on when you buy the rank, depending on if its a career skill at the time... so the number is likely to be higher than that.

Oh, I have also assumed the 10 Force powers in the FaD, plus 6, assuming 1 new power per career book, which I dont think is right.... as im sure one of them doesnt have a new power... but I have also not checed if AoR or EotE have different powers to FaD

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18 Careers

108 Specs +3 Universal Specs

To complete a Talent Tree 300xp

Thats 32300 for ALL Trees. Not Counting Buying them

To Buy ALL trees, including the Extra to buy out of Career specs: 63170

To Max ALL Force Talents, assuming 16 Powers at 225 per power: 3600

To Buy ALL Ranks in ALL Skills, EXCLUDING the extra to buy out of career skills (As that would be a massive variable depending on path, PLUS excluding free ranks, so assuming zero ranks in everything) : 2475

Approx 101645 XP.

To truly be at a point where you have MAXED your character, as you have nothing left to buy.

(Assuming FFG dont add anything else)

(Assuming my maths are even remotely correct.... and thats a MASSIVE maybe..)

(Excluding any custom skills...)

OOOH... excluding Signature Abilities too.

Plus 4680 for all Signature Abilities..... soooo 106325.

One Hundred and Six THOUSAND.. Three Hundred and Twenty Five. Or thereabouts... maybe.

One Hundred and Six THOUSAND.... and change.

So, Anakin in episode 1 then.

That said, you can very easily become a one-trick pony, e.g.: an all Brawn droid with maxed Melee and some lethal Melee talents can be done within 200XP or less, but the character will pretty much suck at everything else .

Fixed that for you.

I agree, that's a dice pool with a name not a character.

That said, you can very easily become a one-trick pony, e.g.: an all Brawn droid with maxed Melee and some lethal Melee talents can be done within 200XP or less, but the character will pretty much suck at everything else .

Fixed that for you.

I agree, that's a dice pool with a name not a character.

"I'm the best there is at what I do!"

"Oh? And that is?"

"Rolling dice!"

To Buy ALL Ranks in ALL Skills, EXCLUDING the extra to buy out of career skills (As that would be a massive variable depending on path, PLUS excluding free ranks, so assuming zero ranks in everything) : 2475

If I were on this trajectory to fill in every box on my spreadsheet, I'd buy the trees first - that way you bypass the +5 XP tax on out of career skills by the virtue of having all careers.

And when buying skills for the initial character, you'd want to double up where you could (like Charm on the Colonist, Charm on the Politico), which saves you five points. A small savings when you're talking about 10,000 points - but still a savings.

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To complete a Talent Tree 300xp

Thats 32300 for ALL Trees. Not Counting Buying them

Okay, thought while in the shower - actually it would be a little cheaper than that, since there are a bunch of non-stackable talents that you wouldn't have to buy again. The clever power gamer looking to optimize this Beast Incarnate could go through and buy the cheapest of these, bringing the point total down some.

Oooh, here's a question: Attributes have a cap of six, cybernetics not withstanding. What happens if you buy a dedication that puts you over the 6,6,6,6,6,6 limit? Do you skip it like a non-stackable talent? Do you have to buy it and you don't get the bonus?

I would say you simply dont bother buying a Dedication that doesnt benefit you, unless you are FORCED to in order to reach another Talent.

I had not considered this, or the Non Stacking talents issue... so my numbers are dirty and fast. And thats about as far as I want to go, as I really dont see any benefit in going into more detail

Suffice to say, even if its a few hundred out, thats still in the 100 THOUSAND range, and thats enough to be going on with methinks.

It takes a special kind of group of fans to play THAT long with single characters, WITHOUT getting bored. And that would probably realistically span more than the lifetime of anyone other than Yoda.

So its a metaphorical? theoretical? exercise anyway

I would say you simply dont bother buying a Dedication that doesnt benefit you, unless you are FORCED to in order to reach another Talent.

Actually I just dropped a note to Sam. He says that you would buy it and not get the benefit. So yeah, unless it's standing in the way of something you have to get past, skip buying it.

**** thats a fast turnaround... im still waitin on answered I asked 3 weeks ago!

Alright, you guys suck extra for getting this one into my Brain. I'll finish tomorrow, but here's my initial numbers. SOMEONE needs to read my story and give me feedback to make up for this...stuff...* grumble grumble grumble grumble *

Theroretical Maximum

Practical Maximums

And it's dedication like this that makes me feel like that barbie doll that said "math is hard"

Alright, you guys suck extra for getting this one into my Brain. I'll finish tomorrow, but here's my initial numbers. SOMEONE needs to read my story and give me feedback to make up for this...stuff...* grumble grumble grumble grumble *

Theroretical Maximum

So, without taking anything into account, here's the maximum amount of XP needed until you literally have nothing left to buy:

Buying Specs : 55,640 (104 new specs) + 960 (out-of-career penalty) = 56,600;

Purchasing Talents : 31,500 (105 specs);

Signature Abilities : 260;

Skills : 3,500 (35 non-career skills);

Force Powers: 2,900 (20 Force powers).

Total : 94,760

A couple of assumptions on this. I am assuming, of the seven specs with potential repeats still possible, there will be no repeats; additionally, the five Force powers we do not have yet will cost the same as the average current Force power (145 xp.)

Practical Maximums

Of course, that theoretical maximum is impossible for a couple of reasons: first, you WILL have some career skills and some free skill ranks; additionally, as mentioned above, there are many (many, oh so many) non-ranked talents that are repeated in multiple specializations, and you would not need to purchase them more than once.

I am currently working my way through the non-ranked talents to get the full range, but currently (I'm on "Master Artisan"), the range is 91,905 to 92,965. Once again, this is looking at how much experience you can spend before you literally have nothing left to spend it on. Certain things, like skipping Insight and all but one of the Recruit skill talents, and any unneeded Dedications, can reduce this further.

The 92,965 figure is assuming you start as a Niman Disciple, do not stack any free ranks, buy all skills to 5 ranks before getting any new career skills, and buy every single non-ranked talent at its most expensive value, and it's only going to go down now that I'm into the "Master"s and "Natural"s. It also assumes no free skill ranks from your species, either. Which is hard to do, but you can do it.

The final minimum figure will assume you've chosen a non-Force career, stacked both of your starting specialization skills, and are the Niktos sub-species that gives Natural Outdoorsman as a free talent, as that saves the most XP possible, even more than a species that gives ranks in skills.

Your analyses are always a thing of beauty, Absol.

Earlier, I tried to calculate how many sessions it would take (assuming a standard rate of 20 XP), but I got my math tangled around in my head somehow as soon as I got to the "is this achievable within a human lifespan?" question. That was when the calculation was in the 30K range.

I'm gonna need paper to figure that, I think. Maybe tomorrow, as it's getting late.

Alright, you guys suck extra for getting this one into my Brain. I'll finish tomorrow, but here's my initial numbers. SOMEONE needs to read my story and give me feedback to make up for this...stuff...* grumble grumble grumble grumble *

Theroretical Maximum

So, without taking anything into account, here's the maximum amount of XP needed until you literally have nothing left to buy:

Buying Specs : 55,640 (104 new specs) + 960 (out-of-career penalty) = 56,600;

Purchasing Talents : 31,500 (105 specs);

Signature Abilities : 260;

Skills : 3,500 (35 non-career skills);

Force Powers: 2,900 (20 Force powers).

Total : 94,760

A couple of assumptions on this. I am assuming, of the seven specs with potential repeats still possible, there will be no repeats; additionally, the five Force powers we do not have yet will cost the same as the average current Force power (145 xp.)

Practical Maximums

Of course, that theoretical maximum is impossible for a couple of reasons: first, you WILL have some career skills and some free skill ranks; additionally, as mentioned above, there are many (many, oh so many) non-ranked talents that are repeated in multiple specializations, and you would not need to purchase them more than once.

I am currently working my way through the non-ranked talents to get the full range, but currently (I'm on "Master Artisan"), the range is 91,905 to 92,965. Once again, this is looking at how much experience you can spend before you literally have nothing left to spend it on. Certain things, like skipping Insight and all but one of the Recruit skill talents, and any unneeded Dedications, can reduce this further.

The 92,965 figure is assuming you start as a Niman Disciple, do not stack any free ranks, buy all skills to 5 ranks before getting any new career skills, and buy every single non-ranked talent at its most expensive value, and it's only going to go down now that I'm into the "Master"s and "Natural"s. It also assumes no free skill ranks from your species, either. Which is hard to do, but you can do it.

The final minimum figure will assume you've chosen a non-Force career, stacked both of your starting specialization skills, and are the Niktos sub-species that gives Natural Outdoorsman as a free talent, as that saves the most XP possible, even more than a species that gives ranks in skills.

Your analyses are always a thing of beauty, Absol.

Earlier, I tried to calculate how many sessions it would take (assuming a standard rate of 20 XP), but I got my math tangled around in my head somehow as soon as I got to the "is this achievable within a human lifespan?" question. That was when the calculation was in the 30K range.

I'm gonna need paper to figure that, I think. Maybe tomorrow, as it's getting late.

For the theoretical maximum it is 4738 Sessions at 20XP apiece.

For the theoretical maximum it is 4738 Sessions at 20XP apiece.

If that’s one session per week for 52 weeks per year, it would take roughly 91.115 years to achieve that goal.

Alright, you guys suck extra for getting this one into my Brain. I'll finish tomorrow, but here's my initial numbers. SOMEONE needs to read my story and give me feedback to make up for this...stuff...* grumble grumble grumble grumble *

Uh, yeah, sorry about that.

If it makes you feel any better I did get through chapter 3 of your story...