Or Yoda and Obi-Wan simply didn't know about Kanan and Ezra.

Yoda has talked with Ezra and Kanan in Rebels seasons 1 and 2 so far.

Ah okay. Maybe Yoda just said that Luke was the last who could train a new generation of Jedi, because he did not trust Kanan and Ezra, or believed they could not do what Luke could.

or they are dead

Haha. Yep.

It won't happen in Rebels itself but I'd totally be ok with it happening. I dont see an out for Kanan but Ezra could escape that fate by not having enough control to be a Jedi. He's already flirted with the dark side. Maybe he ends up somewhat grey hence not a Jedi.

Hmm, perhaps Ezra doing some dark stuff with best of Intentions could push Kanan back to his old self doubt and he hangs up his sabre, maybe even loses his connection to the force through it.

They'd still be out there, possibly having gone their own ways leaving Zeb and Hera to continue the good fight with everyone's favourite homicidal astromech.

I can see it now... 2020 Disney Edition original trilogy.... Ghost blows up during the opening scene of A New Hope trying to escort the Tantive IV

I can see it now... 2020 Disney Edition original trilogy.... Ghost blows up during the opening scene of A New Hope trying to escort the Tantive IV

Or Yoda and Obi-Wan simply didn't know about Kanan and Ezra.

While Yoda teaching both Ezra and Kanan?

i've generally argued that they survive.. but Yoda does not count them.

think about it. yoda says "the last of the jedi" to luke. Kanan was never a jedi, just a padawan (being knighted by an apparition of a dead temple guard doesn't really count), and between the sith holocron, the Bindu, Maul, Hondo, etc.. Neither kanan nor Ezra really represent the Jedi order's teachings and beliefs anymore. nor are the inquisitors Jedi anymore, since they had adopted sith philosophies, yet are not sith either.

also consider that Yoda received special training in the original Jedi beliefs (in the clone wars episodes Destiny and Sacrifice ), and which is where he learned the force ghost thing. which he then instructed Obi-wan in (off screen) at the end of Revenge of the Sith. the experience Yoda goes through to learn it is fundamentally the same as the training he was giving Luke on Degobah alongside the basic force use training. especially the Cave (where luke faced his own potential for evil much like yoda did) and came to grips with it (in luke's case, eventually), followed by confronting the darkside directly and rejecting it's temptations.it also helps explain why Yoda taught a more metaphysical view of the force than the jedi order believed. he'd had revelation as to its true nature in those episodes.

no other jedi received such training, and since any other survivors from the jedi order would be clinging to concepts, beliefs, and practices that represented a corrupted vision of what the force was and how to use it compared to what the force itself had revealed to yoda, he probably didn't count other survivors, or the many force sensitives that would exist. only Luke retained the 'higher' Jedi tradition that Yoda and obi-wan represented.

i've generally argued that they survive.. but Yoda does not count them.

Yeah, it's probably one of those 'certain point of view' retcons.

Well both Roughe One and Rebels are Disney produces items. Of course they would put it in the movie.

I can see it now... 2020 Disney Edition original trilogy.... Ghost blows up during the opening scene of A New Hope trying to escort the Tantive IV

Pfft, that's silly.

A Star Destroyer would have to actually shoot at the Ghost for that to happen.

I can see it now... 2020 Disney Edition original trilogy.... Ghost blows up during the opening scene of A New Hope trying to escort the Tantive IV

Pfft, that's silly.

A Star Destroyer would have to actually shoot at the Ghost for that to happen.

and punch through the plot armour.

[Edited for spelling]

Ghost making a cameo - pretty cool, the USS Enterprise making a cameo in a SW movie - seriously JJ, wtf you thinking.

With all due respect, I didn't see it in the Force Awakens. Present to me your evidence and I will judge accordingly. That being said, supposedly the USS Enterprise D has a background appearance in The Phantom Menace, and you can't blame that one on JJ.

However, this is not that unusual for films and TV to do...

In Firefly, an Imperial Shuttle, and a Corellian Cargo ship from the EU can be seen in two episodes, the latter is pretty overt too.

Star Trek First Contact has the Millennium Falcon appear for a split second during the battle with the borg cube at the start.

Films throw in these little easter eggs and they are usually so tiny or there for a split second that you never even recognise it unless you were to watch the film back frame by frame.

It was also fun when a Firefly class flies by a window in the opening scene of the new Battlestar Galactica tv remake.

That would be awesome except..

Your still left answering the question of how Luke is the last Jedi and where the Rebels cast are for A New Hope..

I love Rebels but I think by A New Hope the two force users (three if you count Ahsoka) need to be out of the picture in some way.

Also if Rogue Ones crew get a last ditch rescue, I really want it to be a really small number of them.

Winning their first major victory and getting the plans beamed to Leia simply HAS to have a high cost. I want to see a competent Empire and a badass Vader. Give the OT characters successes real meaning.. they beat the Oppressively Powerful Galactic Empire, not just some "joke of a shot" mooks.

Well I personally think that Yoda and Obi-wan might just be lying to Luke, telling him what they think he needs to hear. And to be fair Luke was the only person, well aside from Leia, that had a chance of taking down Vader not because of skill but due to familial connection that might make him hesitate or side with his child which we ultimately see in Return of the Jedi. The two probably felt telling Luke that there was no one else to do the job would just help motivate him.

Or Yoda and Obi-Wan simply didn't know about Kanan and Ezra.

Yoda has talked with Ezra and Kanan in Rebels seasons 1 and 2 so far.

Given that it wouldn't be the first time Obi-Wan outright lied to Luke in order to manipulate him, that's actually quite plausible. "Well, you _are_ the last of your kind - the last Skywalker Jedi. So what I said was true, from a certain point of view."

i've generally argued that they survive.. but Yoda does not count them.

think about it. yoda says "the last of the jedi" to luke. Kanan was never a jedi, just a padawan (being knighted by an apparition of a dead temple guard doesn't really count), and between the sith holocron, the Bindu, Maul, Hondo, etc.. Neither kanan nor Ezra really represent the Jedi order's teachings and beliefs anymore. nor are the inquisitors Jedi anymore, since they had adopted sith philosophies, yet are not sith either.

also consider that Yoda received special training in the original Jedi beliefs (in the clone wars episodes Destiny and Sacrifice ), and which is where he learned the force ghost thing. which he then instructed Obi-wan in (off screen) at the end of Revenge of the Sith. the experience Yoda goes through to learn it is fundamentally the same as the training he was giving Luke on Degobah alongside the basic force use training. especially the Cave (where luke faced his own potential for evil much like yoda did) and came to grips with it (in luke's case, eventually), followed by confronting the darkside directly and rejecting it's temptations.it also helps explain why Yoda taught a more metaphysical view of the force than the jedi order believed. he'd had revelation as to its true nature in those episodes.

no other jedi received such training, and since any other survivors from the jedi order would be clinging to concepts, beliefs, and practices that represented a corrupted vision of what the force was and how to use it compared to what the force itself had revealed to yoda, he probably didn't count other survivors, or the many force sensitives that would exist. only Luke retained the 'higher' Jedi tradition that Yoda and obi-wan represented.

Yoda in TESB teaches Luke the same way Jedi were taught for generations - clear mind, no emotions, no attachments.

Obi-wan is convinced Vader is more machine than man and there is no way to bring him back. They both advise him to ignore that his friends are in danger. Let them die, they say. And they keep lying about Anakin, Yoda is upset that Luke learned the truth because it was "too soon". Too soon, because Luke was still a human being, they had to castrate his emotions first to make sure he doesn't feel anything towards his father and can straight up murder him.

Incidentally it's exactly what Sheev wants.

Yoda and Obi-Wan represent the old, corrupted way. Luke goes against their teaching and that is why he succeeds.

Althought maybe it's why the old guard doesn't want Kanan and Ezra meddling with their assassin-in-the-making. Kanan and Ezra were not fully brainwashed, they were still humans and could have polluted Luke's mind with some heresy.

More and more likely that it's the Ghost. This is a quote from Gary Whitta (story credit for Rogue One)'s twitter while at the premier with Filoni and co.

"Watch (and listen!) closely for Rebels easter eggs in # RogueOne "

AND LISTEN! Methink's we'll be getting some 'Phoenix Squadron standing by' chatter at least.

Ezra and Kanan might live, and they might not. There may be other survivors of Order 66 lingering somewhere, too, and they may have trained others. Yoda and Obi-Wan, however, for some reason or other, saw Luke as basically the Jedi messiah. Maybe its because he's the son of the "Chosen One" or whatever. Maybe its because they think he's the only one who can take down Vader and the Emperor, i.e., destroy the Sith (which, ironically, its actually the Chosen One who does this). In any case, its easy to imagine any number of reasons for Ben and Yoda to lie. Not like it'd be a first for them.

Think about it- Luke didn't want to face Vader again in RotJ. If Yoda told him "that's okay; 50 other Jedi there are. Do it, one of them will," in all probability, the Rebellion would have been crushed, the Empire triumphant (at least for a while longer), and Luke's ongoing fear and self-doubt probably would have eventually led him to join Vader instead of confront him. Yoda and Obi Wan told Luke exactly what he needed to hear, and most of the other surviving Jedi were too afraid to face Vader by that point, so even if they were out there, they wanted nothing to do with fulfilling that particular role. (Note- Kanan is terrified of Vader, and considers it to be the best strategy to run if he shows up. If Ezra is smart, he'll eventually reach the same conclusion, since it seems only those with a connection to Vader on a personal level have any hope of surviving a fight with him; Luke and Ahsoka.)

So, yes, I think its entirely possible that the whole Rebels crew could live up to and beyond Rogue One. I also don't think its necessary that they be dead by Jedi, as we don't know what else may have been going on in the galaxy at that time. There may have been important events going on besides the ones we saw on screen, stuff in systems besides Endor. At the same time, given the tragic nature of much of the story building up to a New Hope, it would also be satisfying story telling to see the hope represented by the Ghost crew snuffed out, as hope continues to be systematically crushed across the galaxy until Endor.

Request for someone who is good at screen capping and stuff, the 5 days left trailer has the shot of the Xwings coming out of hyperspace and you can see the ghost at a better angle.

As expected. Nothing more than an easter egg of the ship flying around (dont even think we see it fire) and a 'Briefing call' for General Syndulla on the PA.

As expected. Nothing more than an easter egg of the ship flying around (dont even think we see it fire) and a 'Briefing call' for General Syndulla on the PA.

You sure that's the only place you see it?

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As expected. Nothing more than an easter egg of the ship flying around (dont even think we see it fire) and a 'Briefing call' for General Syndulla on the PA.

You sure that's the only place you see it?

Somebody claims they saw it another time during the battle in the background, but it doesn't feature in the movie at all. No tracking shots, for example, and it's never in the foreground. Ghost is definitely never mentioned by name. It's just a nod to Rebels for the fans.

As expected. Nothing more than an easter egg of the ship flying around (dont even think we see it fire) and a 'Briefing call' for General Syndulla on the PA.

You sure that's the only place you see it?

Somebody claims they saw it another time during the battle in the background, but it doesn't feature in the movie at all. No tracking shots, for example, and it's never in the foreground. Ghost is definitely never mentioned by name. It's just a nod to Rebels for the fans.

It may not be "featured" anywhere it but I think is shows up somewhere else as well. May need to see it again.

Definitely parked on the left side of the screen when Jyn first arrives at Yavin 4

As expected. Nothing more than an easter egg of the ship flying around (dont even think we see it fire) and a 'Briefing call' for General Syndulla on the PA.

You sure that's the only place you see it?

Somebody claims they saw it another time during the battle in the background, but it doesn't feature in the movie at all. No tracking shots, for example, and it's never in the foreground. Ghost is definitely never mentioned by name. It's just a nod to Rebels for the fans.

It may not be "featured" anywhere it but I think is shows up somewhere else as well. May need to see it again.

As expected. Nothing more than an easter egg of the ship flying around (dont even think we see it fire) and a 'Briefing call' for General Syndulla on the PA.

You sure that's the only place you see it?

Somebody claims they saw it another time during the battle in the background, but it doesn't feature in the movie at all. No tracking shots, for example, and it's never in the foreground. Ghost is definitely never mentioned by name. It's just a nod to Rebels for the fans.

It may not be "featured" anywhere it but I think is shows up somewhere else as well. May need to see it again.

You can see the ghost dogfighting multiple times, agree

When they land on Yavin, from Jedha, the Ghost can be seen on the ground, left side of the screen - if I recall accurately.

You see a VCX several times during the battle. Still no confirmation it is the Ghost or not.