So no, I'm not intending on being an arse and pointing out a flaw... I do truly want to know... If there is another Large imperial ship, in the canon, besides an Imperial or Tector Class... I'd really like to know...

The Finalizer would also count, although of course.

At ~1200 meters, it splits the difference between the Victory-class and Imperial-class. Could be a 'large'...

New sketch based on latest stills

Pretty certain on the front. Wonder what the back / engines will look like.

Looks like the love child of a Strike Class Cruiser and an AF MK I

So no, I'm not intending on being an arse and pointing out a flaw... I do truly want to know... If there is another Large imperial ship, in the canon, besides an Imperial or Tector Class... I'd really like to know...

The Finalizer would also count, although of course.

At ~1200 meters, it splits the difference between the Victory-class and Imperial-class. Could be a 'large'...

The Venator, Yes, could be a Large...

But I'm pretty sure GottmitUns205 got one in scale, and is seemed quite happy being a Medium. But it certainly straddles the line, like the Interdictor does.

They don't. I actually prefer they don't. But this is still Star Wars and how weird would it be when the Rebels have 3 large ships and the Imps still have 1. Rebels can salvage all they want, but Imps had more than just ISDs at their disposal for large ships and I want to see them.

In the canon, though, all you see are Star Destroyers.

In every book that is also canon? Saying only ISDs are used in every possible material that is canon is a stretch.

I will seriously ask, then: What are they?

I don't get to read books or Comics.

So what I know is what I can see as part of the visual media applications of the Star Wars License.

So what I see is:

ISD-1s and ISD-2s... Both reflected in the ISD Pack we already have...

The Tector Star Destroyer is a technicality that, like it or not, I accept as canon....

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But as far as I know, most of the other large ships where sent to Legends with the vast majority of EU Material...

There are some reintroduced ships (through Tarkin and such), that do name some of those ships, but seemingly, most of them are smaller than a Star Destroyer, and may not qualify as "Large" in the Armada Scale, which would also make them somewhat irrelevant for a discussion on large ships....... Right?

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So no, I'm not intending on being an arse and pointing out a flaw... I do truly want to know... If there is another Large imperial ship, in the canon, besides an Imperial or Tector Class... I'd really like to know...

The Finalizer would also count, although of course.

You do realize I was asking the same question right?

What other large ship is available from the new material for the Imps? I stopped reading the books and comics a few years before Disney took over so I have no clue anymore.

You do realize I was asking the same question right?

What other large ship is available from the new material for the Imps? I stopped reading the books and comics a few years before Disney took over so I have no clue anymore.

I didn't because you included the line:

"In every book that is also canon? Saying only ISDs are used in every possible material that is canon is a stretch."

That seemed like a statement of fact, not a query...

But we can also almost count on 1 hand the amount of non-movie things that are actually canon since Disney took over...

I find it weird that we haven't gotten any official word on this bad boy yet.

Earlier this year they made a big splash about the U-Wing & TIE Stalker. I understand they both probably had physical models so we're finished much sooner, but we've been talking about this new ship for a month now. I would expect at least some little blurb about them somewhere.

mad a bug splash

And I agree, it's weird that they really don't seem to be pushing the capital ships as much as the fighters. But maybe it just seems that way because I care much more about the capital ships...

The fighters are easier to merchandise as kids toys.

I was a kid during the OT, and there were tons of X, Y, A, B- wings, TIEs, and even the Millennium Falcon, but the only "capital ships" I remember seeing was the GR75 that was a carrying case for action figures, and a model kit of an ISD! Even when micro-machines got around to it, they only did a few of the rebel ships at best.

Honestly, Lego may be the place to watch for a capital ship reveal. They have done more physical merchandise than anyone but FFG or WotC. WotC is out of that game, and we are already waiting on FFG to reveal ships... So much waiting.

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What I'm most curious about is the fate of the Rebel fleet. If the Rebel fleet mainly survives then what is the point of Tantive IV receiving the plans and having to take them to the Rebellion as the Rebel ship that originally took them from Scarif could have done that. Also if the Rebel fleet survived Scarif then why was it not at Yavin 4 to defend against the Death Star in a new hope. There is no mention of a fleet period. This makes me think that almost all of the Rebel fleet pictured so far in Rogue One will get destroyed or they have to leave the system before the plans have been retrieved.

We never see the Blue Mon Calamari Admiral again and the new ship is not in any later movies. No Hammerheads either. If the Blue Admiral is at the Yavin meeting for this mission but not at the meeting in A New Hope it tells me he likely perished in this battle along with the ship.

Why would the Rebel Alliance expose Leia as a Rebel spy if they had other ships taking part in the battle that could have taken the plans to Yavin. Tantive IV couldn't have taken part in the battle as I would think the Empire would have been able to identify it by scanners and There would have been no point pretending to be on a diplomatic mission.

If the Rebel fleet is destroyed how can the opening crawl for A New Hope say the Rebels secured their first major victory?

I'm really excited to see what happens. Being an empire fan I hope the Rebels victory is really a pyric victory with them losing most of the fleet possibly due to direct fire from the 2ISD's or perhaps the Death Star itself opening up on them. I think it would make sense that the Rebel fleet successfully knocks out the shield gate letting Jim escape with the plans but has to flee before she can transfer them to a ship due to heavy losses. We will see in 8 days!

If the Rebel fleet is destroyed how can the opening crawl for A New Hope say the Rebels secured their first major victory?

If your mission is to obtain the death star plans by any means neccessary, then the loss of a fleet is necessary... If you obtain said plans, and thus, a Victory.

What I'm most curious about is the fate of the Rebel fleet. If the Rebel fleet mainly survives then what is the point of Tantive IV receiving the plans and having to take them to the Rebellion as the Rebel ship that originally took them from Scarif could have done that. Also if the Rebel fleet survived Scarif then why was it not at Yavin 4 to defend against the Death Star in a new hope. There is no mention of a fleet period. This makes me think that almost all of the Rebel fleet pictured so far in Rogue One will get destroyed or they have to leave the system before the plans have been retrieved.

We never see the Blue Mon Calamari Admiral again and the new ship is not in any later movies. No Hammerheads either. If the Blue Admiral is at the Yavin meeting for this mission but not at the meeting in A New Hope it tells me he likely perished in this battle along with the ship.

Why would the Rebel Alliance expose Leia as a Rebel spy if they had other ships taking part in the battle that could have taken the plans to Yavin. Tantive IV couldn't have taken part in the battle as I would think the Empire would have been able to identify it by scanners and There would have been no point pretending to be on a diplomatic mission.

If the Rebel fleet is destroyed how can the opening crawl for A New Hope say the Rebels secured their first major victory?

I'm really excited to see what happens. Being an empire fan I hope the Rebels victory is really a pyric victory with them losing most of the fleet possibly due to direct fire from the 2ISD's or perhaps the Death Star itself opening up on them. I think it would make sense that the Rebel fleet successfully knocks out the shield gate letting Jim escape with the plans but has to flee before she can transfer them to a ship due to heavy losses. We will see in 8 days!

I, and would imagine many of us Wonder those same things, to touch on your mon cal admiral for a minute though. We never see dodonna again. Then we randomly get rieekan only to never know his fat. Then marine, Ackbar, and Mon mothma..... Non of which had we seen before. Sure the blue man die? Probably, but we can't infer from he never shows up again that he does due to the above precedent.

Honestly, Lego may be the place to watch for a capital ship reveal. They have done more physical merchandise than anyone but FFG or WotC. WotC is out of that game, and we are already waiting on FFG to reveal ships... So much waiting.

As of yet the Lego forum i'm also apart of, Eurobricks, does not have a great list of the summer wave of sets. So far for Rogue One there hasn't been anything massively spoiler heavy or revealing but that may change. Typically yeah your right though Lego usually tends to spoil characters and vehicles so its a pretty good source if your desperate for info, typically. Rogue One has been a lot more tightlipped then usual however.

What I'm most curious about is the fate of the Rebel fleet. If the Rebel fleet mainly survives then what is the point of Tantive IV receiving the plans and having to take them to the Rebellion as the Rebel ship that originally took them from Scarif could have done that. Also if the Rebel fleet survived Scarif then why was it not at Yavin 4 to defend against the Death Star in a new hope. There is no mention of a fleet period. This makes me think that almost all of the Rebel fleet pictured so far in Rogue One will get destroyed or they have to leave the system before the plans have been retrieved.

We never see the Blue Mon Calamari Admiral again and the new ship is not in any later movies. No Hammerheads either. If the Blue Admiral is at the Yavin meeting for this mission but not at the meeting in A New Hope it tells me he likely perished in this battle along with the ship.

Why would the Rebel Alliance expose Leia as a Rebel spy if they had other ships taking part in the battle that could have taken the plans to Yavin. Tantive IV couldn't have taken part in the battle as I would think the Empire would have been able to identify it by scanners and There would have been no point pretending to be on a diplomatic mission.

If the Rebel fleet is destroyed how can the opening crawl for A New Hope say the Rebels secured their first major victory?

I'm really excited to see what happens. Being an empire fan I hope the Rebels victory is really a pyric victory with them losing most of the fleet possibly due to direct fire from the 2ISD's or perhaps the Death Star itself opening up on them. I think it would make sense that the Rebel fleet successfully knocks out the shield gate letting Jim escape with the plans but has to flee before she can transfer them to a ship due to heavy losses. We will see in 8 days!

Phyrric victory. The side that claims victory essentially completes their objective but suffers so many losses that its barely a victory. Sort've like the end of Saving Private Ryan. They do get Ryan but practically the entire platoon gets eradicated in the battle.

What could happen too is... Have you already play Star Wars Rebellion (PC game)?

You can have many general's or admiral's but they will be stretched all across the galaxy as fleet leader or on different kind of mission.

Calling back your troop to defend your HQ is not always easy, depending on the intel you have on the deplacement of your ennemy fleet and where are situated your own fleet.

Intel is one of the key element!

Phyrric victory. The side that claims victory essentially completes their objective but suffers so many losses that its barely a victory. Sort've like the end of Saving Private Ryan. They do get Ryan but practically the entire platoon gets eradicated in the battle.

It's a bit of a misused term.

Specifically, a pyrrhic victory is one where you technically 'win', but suffer such great losses that the victory is as meaningless as if you'd lost.

If looking for a Star Wars analogy, I'd say the Jedi achieved a pyrrhic victory in the Clone Wars. That is - they "won"...the government they were fighting for defeated the enemy they were fighting...but they probably would have been better off if they had 'lost' the war.

What we are looking at as the likely result of Rogue One, is not the same thing. More accurately, these would be described as 'strategic victory with tactical defeat'.

(As to the ending of SPR...hard to say, as it wasn't really clear what the overall point was. Was the rescue going to result in a huge morale campaign 'back home' that would boost the war effort? Then probably 'strategic victory with tactical defeat' applies. If it really was just saving one person because 'too many families have lost too much already'...then, sure, classic Pyrrhic victory.)

The fighters are easier to merchandise as kids toys.

I was a kid during the OT, and there were tons of X, Y, A, B- wings, TIEs, and even the Millennium Falcon, but the only "capital ships" I remember seeing was the GR75 that was a carrying case for action figures, and a model kit of an ISD! Even when micro-machines got around to it, they only did a few of the rebel ships at best.

The other factor is that THE ENTIRE POINT of Star Wars (at least the 'Episode' films) is the heroic epic of a single family - until 7, anyway, it was even a single PERSON. IE., the rise and fall, then redemption in death, of Anakin Skywalker.

That suits itself very well to small, one-man fighters.

(I mean, compare how many pilot names we know across the 6/7 movies vs how many names we know of any crew on capital ships...)

What I'm most curious about is the fate of the Rebel fleet. If the Rebel fleet mainly survives then what is the point of Tantive IV receiving the plans and having to take them to the Rebellion as the Rebel ship that originally took them from Scarif could have done that. Also if the Rebel fleet survived Scarif then why was it not at Yavin 4 to defend against the Death Star in a new hope. There is no mention of a fleet period. This makes me think that almost all of the Rebel fleet pictured so far in Rogue One will get destroyed or they have to leave the system before the plans have been retrieved.

We never see the Blue Mon Calamari Admiral again and the new ship is not in any later movies. No Hammerheads either. If the Blue Admiral is at the Yavin meeting for this mission but not at the meeting in A New Hope it tells me he likely perished in this battle along with the ship.

Why would the Rebel Alliance expose Leia as a Rebel spy if they had other ships taking part in the battle that could have taken the plans to Yavin. Tantive IV couldn't have taken part in the battle as I would think the Empire would have been able to identify it by scanners and There would have been no point pretending to be on a diplomatic mission.

If the Rebel fleet is destroyed how can the opening crawl for A New Hope say the Rebels secured their first major victory?

This is the problem of doing prequels, just because the existence of a fleet is not stated, does not mean said fleet does not exist. Perhaps the base at Yavin 4 was in a better position to deal with the Death Star. Also for a the Rebellion who constantly has to be on the move what's easier to deal with the loss of? A fleet of irreplaceable ships or a ram shackle base on a back water moon? People can be replaced, use them as martyrs for the cause and hold them up as an example of Imperial cruelty. Ships, actual warships at that were far more precious to the Rebellion than any ground base.

Again see first line of the my response and replace 'fleet' with 'blue admiral.'

As to why Leia's ship is used, we'll just have to watch the movie to find out.

What I'm most curious about is the fate of the Rebel fleet. If the Rebel fleet mainly survives then what is the point of Tantive IV receiving the plans and having to take them to the Rebellion as the Rebel ship that originally took them from Scarif could have done that. Also if the Rebel fleet survived Scarif then why was it not at Yavin 4 to defend against the Death Star in a new hope. There is no mention of a fleet period. This makes me think that almost all of the Rebel fleet pictured so far in Rogue One will get destroyed or they have to leave the system before the plans have been retrieved.

We never see the Blue Mon Calamari Admiral again and the new ship is not in any later movies. No Hammerheads either. If the Blue Admiral is at the Yavin meeting for this mission but not at the meeting in A New Hope it tells me he likely perished in this battle along with the ship.

Why would the Rebel Alliance expose Leia as a Rebel spy if they had other ships taking part in the battle that could have taken the plans to Yavin. Tantive IV couldn't have taken part in the battle as I would think the Empire would have been able to identify it by scanners and There would have been no point pretending to be on a diplomatic mission.

If the Rebel fleet is destroyed how can the opening crawl for A New Hope say the Rebels secured their first major victory?

This is the problem of doing prequels, just because the existence of a fleet is not stated, does not mean said fleet does not exist. Perhaps the base at Yavin 4 was in a better position to deal with the Death Star. Also for a the Rebellion who constantly has to be on the move what's easier to deal with the loss of? A fleet of irreplaceable ships or a ram shackle base on a back water moon? People can be replaced, use them as martyrs for the cause and hold them up as an example of Imperial cruelty. Ships, actual warships at that were far more precious to the Rebellion than any ground base.

Again see first line of the my response and replace 'fleet' with 'blue admiral.'

As to why Leia's ship is used, we'll just have to watch the movie to find out.

To build on this idea, note that there was no fleet for the Rebels anywhere near Hoth in Empire, either. Did they somehow store all of the parts of the fleet in Echo Base, haul them off planet in GR-75s, and assemble full starships by the end of the movie? Of course not. Logically, the Rebellion avoided stacking all assets in one place to avoid the Empire being able to wipe them out in one, swift stroke.

Arguably, the whole fleet MAY have gathered for Endor, but its also possible that (a la Tolkien) other key battles were going on in other places, battles which if the Rebellion had abandoned for the sake of the Death Star II, it would have undermined their position in the galaxy. The Rebellion was probably already playing in politics and such well before the Battle of Endor, and may have been engaged in entire campaigns for the sake of securing support from various factions around the galaxy. They had to show people that they were fundamentally different from the Empire.

What we saw on screen was almost certainly not the entirety of everything that happened during the Galactic Civil War. There were probably major players and major events that so far haven't even been talked about. The Rebellion itself had to be doing SOMETHING while Luke and company ran off to save Han, for example.

What I'm most curious about is the fate of the Rebel fleet. If the Rebel fleet mainly survives then what is the point of Tantive IV receiving the plans and having to take them to the Rebellion as the Rebel ship that originally took them from Scarif could have done that. Also if the Rebel fleet survived Scarif then why was it not at Yavin 4 to defend against the Death Star in a new hope. There is no mention of a fleet period. This makes me think that almost all of the Rebel fleet pictured so far in Rogue One will get destroyed or they have to leave the system before the plans have been retrieved.

We never see the Blue Mon Calamari Admiral again and the new ship is not in any later movies. No Hammerheads either. If the Blue Admiral is at the Yavin meeting for this mission but not at the meeting in A New Hope it tells me he likely perished in this battle along with the ship.

Why would the Rebel Alliance expose Leia as a Rebel spy if they had other ships taking part in the battle that could have taken the plans to Yavin. Tantive IV couldn't have taken part in the battle as I would think the Empire would have been able to identify it by scanners and There would have been no point pretending to be on a diplomatic mission.

If the Rebel fleet is destroyed how can the opening crawl for A New Hope say the Rebels secured their first major victory?

This is the problem of doing prequels, just because the existence of a fleet is not stated, does not mean said fleet does not exist. Perhaps the base at Yavin 4 was in a better position to deal with the Death Star. Also for a the Rebellion who constantly has to be on the move what's easier to deal with the loss of? A fleet of irreplaceable ships or a ram shackle base on a back water moon? People can be replaced, use them as martyrs for the cause and hold them up as an example of Imperial cruelty. Ships, actual warships at that were far more precious to the Rebellion than any ground base.

Again see first line of the my response and replace 'fleet' with 'blue admiral.'

As to why Leia's ship is used, we'll just have to watch the movie to find out.

To build on this idea, note that there was no fleet for the Rebels anywhere near Hoth in Empire, either. Did they somehow store all of the parts of the fleet in Echo Base, haul them off planet in GR-75s, and assemble full starships by the end of the movie? Of course not. Logically, the Rebellion avoided stacking all assets in one place to avoid the Empire being able to wipe them out in one, swift stroke.

Arguably, the whole fleet MAY have gathered for Endor, but its also possible that (a la Tolkien) other key battles were going on in other places, battles which if the Rebellion had abandoned for the sake of the Death Star II, it would have undermined their position in the galaxy. The Rebellion was probably already playing in politics and such well before the Battle of Endor, and may have been engaged in entire campaigns for the sake of securing support from various factions around the galaxy. They had to show people that they were fundamentally different from the Empire.

What we saw on screen was almost certainly not the entirety of everything that happened during the Galactic Civil War. There were probably major players and major events that so far haven't even been talked about. The Rebellion itself had to be doing SOMETHING while Luke and company ran off to save Han, for example.

Plus with the current content in Rebels, the rebellion is seperated into cells that don't always work together. There may be a larger rebellion, and its soldiers may call themselves Rebels, but that doesn't mean they all fight for or with the idol heads such as Dodonna or Mon Mothma. I don't think it is a terrible stretch if the fleet survives and has to go repair and rearm after what ever happens in Rogue One. I'm not sure where this planet is that gets attacked, but if it is far away from Yavin, it is also possible the fleet would never make it there in time.

Or my favorite argument is the fleet never existed until someone said it did. There was not a huge battle above this planet. A fleet was not destroyed. A man has no name. The plans were simply given to the Tantive and the story begins from there. Therefore, the fleet could never make it to Yavin because there never was one. After all, the OT was the first content for Star Wars. So why does it matter what happened before a New Hope? It didn't until the writers got the go ahead from Disney to create a Rebel fleet attacking a planet to get the Death Star plans. Instead of questioning every possible outcome, we can all wait to see the movie and then go crazy about loop holes and material that doesn't fir the canon (which ironically will be canon cuz Disney said so).

I was suggested to bring my thought over to the Armada side because it is a capital ship.

My guess....

The Disney version of the Arc Hammer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_zQEdAI4UM

See 9:06.

and

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4G4MujFjVMw

0:20

If the Rebel fleet is destroyed how can the opening crawl for A New Hope say the Rebels secured their first major victory?

If your mission is to obtain the death star plans by any means neccessary, then the loss of a fleet is necessary... If you obtain said plans, and thus, a Victory.

Dam that would be a sweet armada objective! !!

I'm not trying to poke holes in anything and of course the fleet could just fly off to the outer rim like the small Rebel fleet we see at the end of Empire Strikes Back. It's just the things I mentioned make me hope we get a compelling battle with real losses by the rebellion. The Empire Strikes Back is compelling because the rebellion is in real trouble. Their hidden base has been found and they are on the run. The Empire actually does some things right for once although they can't setup a decent blockade of a planet to safe their life.

I love Star Wars but one thing I have issue with is that the movies tend to make the Galaxy look a lot smaller than it really is. Looking at A New Hope and no other sources you would think that Yavin 4 is the main and only Rebel base as Tarkin is bent on finding it and by taking it out deal a death stroke to the rebellion. We know from other sources a lot is going on but at this point it would seem like the Rebellions eggs are all in 1 basket. If there was another big target like say Mon Calamari then I would think the Death Star would have gone there rather quickly even before Alderaan. I'm not sure if the new canon has defined when Mon Calamari actually rebels but my guess it's after the destruction of the first Death Star or even maybe just before ROTJ as you would think the Death Squadron would have been sent to Mon Calamari but who know.

Anyway I'm excited for Rogue One and I'm looking forward to learning the answers to the questions I have. Speculating is half the fun.

Hey ya'll, new here, came for this post. I knew almost immediately that I recognized the silhouette from my Rebellion days. I'm pretty sure that's a Dauntless-class Heavy Cruiser. Hits the fin, tower, and general shape. http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Dauntless-class_heavy_cruiserhttps://goo.gl/images/huN8Go

It took me a while to get my post approved, so I just wanted to bump this to the end since it got dropped in the middle. The Dauntless-class Heavy Cruiser very closely matches some of the sketches made of the new ship earlier in the thread.

Hey ya'll, new here, came for this post. I knew almost immediately that I recognized the silhouette from my Rebellion days. I'm pretty sure that's a Dauntless-class Heavy Cruiser. Hits the fin, tower, and general shape. http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Dauntless-class_heavy_cruiserhttps://goo.gl/images/huN8Go

It took me a while to get my post approved, so I just wanted to bump this to the end since it got dropped in the middle. The Dauntless-class Heavy Cruiser very closely matches some of the sketches made of the new ship earlier in the thread.

That really does look like a Dauntless. Just with an extra fin.

This is an easy one. Their strike was fast and decisive, allowing them to hit and fade quickly. The fleet likely disperses back into cells, trying to mask exactly which ship received the plans. If they had stayed together, they would have been easily crushed by the far larger Imperial Navy. By dispersing and obscuring where the plans went, they had a better chance of delivering the plans where they needed to go. By the beginning of New Hope, it is clear that Vader has seen through the Rebel attempts to obscure the location of the plans and tracked them to Tantive IV.