Stick it on a Snapshot Stress Rhymer for a little more survivability.

On bombers I picture:

Scimitar squadron pilot (20)

-tie shuttle

-tactician

-lightened frame

With options on crew.

Also deathfire since he was decent before he may become better now. Jonus as a support shuttle in epic likes this (I would always take a stealth device on him before hand).

The real winner imo is -

Backdraft (34)

-Veteran Instincts

-Fire Control System

-Pattern Analyzer

-Lightened Frame

-Title

Feels really strong for 34 points. Won't stay on the table as long as an x7, however I would argue it would deal more damage while it is around.

It should cost 0 points because the ships that most benefit from it need a buff to make them cost-effective, not a fair upgrade for a fair cost.

I don't think it makes any ship any more playable than it already was, although if you were already using an /sf or Tomax or something then you might consider it as an option.

I agree with this totally, but I figured they wanted a certain point range for the Tie Striker. Otherwise they should have just boosted all strikers by 2 points and made this a 0 point upgrade.

If you make it a compulsory upgrade then it just makes the Striker look awful compared to the Zealous Recruit or Alpha Squadron TIE, which would cost about the same amount and have an extra green dice against all attacks.

The Striker is poor, and Lightweight Frame is poor too. I can see myself running Pure Sabacc at 22pts, that's about it.

Dont know why you would ever take this over Adv Cloaking on a phantom.

Just further concretes how i wish that ship was designed a little bulkier w/o cloak and that card never existing so it can actually change its build up and not flop instantly.

It helps the generics a bit since theres no way they will get a shot first, but theyre still more expensive than a defender and much squishier for +1 die.

Bomber shuttles would like it since the mod is usually useless anyway. Regular bombers w/o Gchips or LRS is just plain stupid.

Punisher same as the Bomber. Why on earth would you take it over gchips/lrs? Adds price to a pricy ship and does very little.

TIE SF wants Mk2 engines. That ship has serious mobility issues if it doesnt have them. Shedding stress becomes really difficult, and its also more price on a pricy ship for little gain. SFs are suppose to be flown in an odd fashion that tends to avoid being shot at anyway, they can outfly most ships with ease.

Even the striker im not sure if i want this. Its easily the best one for it imo but both because this is yet ANOTHER ship that gets +4 greens from Mk2 and a third agi isnt gonna help that much makes me not care.

It should cost 0 points because the ships that most benefit from it need a buff to make them cost-effective, not a fair upgrade for a fair cost.

I don't think it makes any ship any more playable than it already was, although if you were already using an /sf or Tomax or something then you might consider it as an option.

I agree with this totally, but I figured they wanted a certain point range for the Tie Striker. Otherwise they should have just boosted all strikers by 2 points and made this a 0 point upgrade.

If you make it a compulsory upgrade then it just makes the Striker look awful compared to the Zealous Recruit or Alpha Squadron TIE, which would cost about the same amount and have an extra green dice against all attacks.

The Striker is poor, and Lightweight Frame is poor too. I can see myself running Pure Sabacc at 22pts, that's about it.

My point is the reason I believe it's 2 points is that they are focused on the striker not the other ships it would effect.

it's too expensive for the striker as well

it's just an overall very weak upgrade that was already balanced by its own internal restrictions, to the point that a cost above 0 is just overkill

My first thought was to put LF on Deathfire, Deathrain, or Redline. They don't need Chips or LRS to do what they want to do. If I roll a focus(with token) or evade on my second die one or two times in a match then I have gotten my points out of the upgrade.

I don't see putting it on other Bombers without the shuttle title; Chips or LRS are essential for ordinance. The same goes for generic Punishers.

It seems like a great upgrade for the TIE/sf.

... you can't discount just how bad the /sf dial is.

What are you talking about? The dial on the TIE/sf is fine for a ship that isn't taking self stressing abilities. Completely remove the red turns and you've still got a usable dial. With the red turns you get some additional options.

The dial isn't the TIE/sf's problem. It's the lack of reliable damage mitigation and the difficulty that 2 dice attacks have punching through higher levels of defense. The only thing that I don't like about Lightened Frame is the cost. Backdraft with Lightened Frame and Pattern Analyzer is a solid ship but is 31 points before adding an EPT or a System upgrade.

Something to think about:

If you have a Focus farm, like a Fleet Officer. The extra green actually does matter quite a bit if you're also packing Sensor Cluster. You're fairly likely to be able to turn all your results into evades if you've got a couple Focus tokens available.

Something to think about:

If you have a Focus farm, like a Fleet Officer. The extra green actually does matter quite a bit if you're also packing Sensor Cluster. You're fairly likely to be able to turn all your results into evades if you've got a couple Focus tokens available.

You could run

Quickdraw: 29

* Rage 1

* Electronic Baffle 1

* Sensor Cluster 2

* Lightweight Frame 2

* Spec Ops 0

Total: 35

Backdraft: 27

* Veteran Instincts 0

* FCS 2

* Sensor Cluster 2

* Lightweight Frame 2

* Spec Ops 0

Total: 34

Tomax Bren 24

* Fleet Officer 3

* System Officer 2

* TIE Shuttle 0

* Cool Hand 1

* TIE Mk. II

Total: 31

That isn't terrible, but 34 and 35 points are magic Imperial numbers and I'm not sure the SFs can fight off the demons they unleash with names like "Vessery" and "Carnor."

I do like Bren in that configuration though - I've had moderate success with him and he can easily move in formation with the sfs.

I have been using an OGP with advanced sensors and Fleet Officer in my current list with Backdraft. Considering moving to General Hux.

That works, but if we're basing this build around Lightweight Frame then we want that focus on defense.

Nothing says you can't put the Focus + FanDev on the OGP and the other two Focus tokens on your other ships.

Its not like the OGP is dodging anything anyways.

Even if it rolled a focus, unless i was done attacking i wouldnt use it anyway except in the rare circumstance it prevented my death.

So yeah, FanDev on the OGP would be good.

Tie sf is definitely the place for this to me. I guess I missed the memo of them being trash because I've had pretty decent results with backdraft.

Backdraft - vi, fcs, frame, pattern analyzer, title - 34

Backdraft - predator, frame, pattern analyzer, title - 34

Both seem like pretty solid options for 34 points. Sure you won't be as tanky as some other aces but you should hit sufficiently hard and be tanky enough to earn your points back. The back arc adds some serious value and the dial really isn't horrible, especially with pattern analyzer to give you actions on sloop or k turns.

This might work......

**Edit: no it will not; not enough tea and no glasses....."

TIE only

If I squint really really really hard I swear it says "Tie Lambda"... seriously... try it!

If this thing didnt have TIE only or at LEAST "Small ship only" then you know people would slap it on Dengar and laugh.

If this thing didnt have TIE only or at LEAST "Small ship only" then you know people would slap it on Dengar and laugh.

Imperial Firespray fix?

Waiting for the large base super TIE that rocks this baby!

**** glasses....well, back to the weird drawing board.

It should cost 0 points because the ships that most benefit from it need a buff to make them cost-effective, not a fair upgrade for a fair cost.

I don't think it makes any ship any more playable than it already was, although if you were already using an /sf or Tomax or something then you might consider it as an option.

One evade rolled on your LF dice is the equivalent of a shield upgrade.

One.

How much does shield upgrade cost?

How many chances do you get to get an evade with LF?

I cannot understand the dislike.

That it's two points is kind of killer. Almost every ship it's available for has competing upgrades in the same spot (TIE Bomber, TIE Punisher, TIE Phantom), or had price issues to begin with.

I'm pretty saddened it didn't get priced at 1, given how situational it is, and given that it's got some pretty hefty restrictions.

That it's two points is kind of killer. Almost every ship it's available for has competing upgrades in the same spot (TIE Bomber, TIE Punisher, TIE Phantom), or had price issues to begin with.

I'm pretty saddened it didn't get priced at 1, given how situational it is, and given that it's got some pretty hefty restrictions.

I compare it more with Stealth Device and it doesnt seem so bad. Stealth Device is utterly pointless on a low defence ship, and although it can help the really agile ships, it has a drawback that it can go away, and thats STILL worth 3 points.

2 Points for a (in most cases) guaranteed agility dice is worth it but you're right, it has competition. Id say the S/F and the TIE Shuttle are the best users atm.