I just played Elite Jabba and Vader. First round I got a Gaffi stick on Jaba and the duo destroyed a Han/Poe deck. Vader hit for 3 every round thanks to lots of focus and Jabba himself was able to add to the pain. Throw in cards that turn opponents own dice against them and it was just brutal.

Anyone else playing with Jabba?

Got a list?

I managed to pull Jango and Jabba both in my booster box. Would like to get a second of both and run them as elites together...could be a bit nasty.

I managed to pull Jango and Jabba both in my booster box. Would like to get a second of both and run them as elites together...could be a bit nasty.

In the mean time I've enjoyed elite Kylo with Elite Jango. I'm now thinking about trying Count Dooku with Jabba.

Jabba really takes advantage of yellow upgrades with his activation ability. Any 1 or 2 cost upgrade on turn 1 dramatically changes the legendary lord of scum and villainy.

I think we need to see a few more sets before the support oriented characters really start to shine. Jabba takes up too many squad points to be worthwhile right now, especially seeing as how he offers no offensive output of his own. That's a big burden for any deck to bear, and if you're banking on cards like Crime Lord to do the heavy lifting for you that's an even bigger investment in non-offensive cards.

I think we need to see a few more sets before the support oriented characters really start to shine. Jabba takes up too many squad points to be worthwhile right now, especially seeing as how he offers no offensive output of his own. That's a big burden for any deck to bear, and if you're banking on cards like Crime Lord to do the heavy lifting for you that's an even bigger investment in non-offensive cards.

And I thought the same thing... until I played with him. He has two dice sides that show focus. Plus, he gets to reroll a yellow dice after he is activated. It's easy to put an upgrade on Jabba (like Gaffi Stick) that helps him to contribute to offense, but he also does enough on his own. He all but guarantees the dice results you want each round. Want 3 damage from Vader? Done. Want that Thermal Detonator to go off? BOOM! Need Mind Probe's special? That will be 5 damage to you good sir.

Point is, when paired with another character that has 2 and 3 damage sides and the right upgrades/supports.... Jabba quickly brings the pain.

Which does more damage, a single, modified Vader die, or two unmodified Vader dice? I'd like to see some data for how well the former compares to, say, elite Vader and a Tusken Raider (henceforth known as 'Tusken Vader').

Don't get me wrong, I see the value in Jabba and Vader; that's a lot of potential discard (which doesn't jibe with Mind Probe, incidentally). I just don't know how that slow, attrition/control style will pan out in whatever meta emerges.

I just ran an Elite Grievous with Jabba which created a pretty funny thematic after Grievous was taken out, Jabba with three weapons, one held in one of his folds. The downfall was the next game against an elite Dooku/elite Jabba. I dispensed with Dooku easily, but he got Crime Lord out and triggered it taking out Grievous, then Jabba milled me with discards. Overall, in my deck, I found the focus most helpful. One round I used focus be able to use Grievous' 3 melee for a resource with the one I rolled naturally. That is a smack. So, thus far I'm an overall fan of Jabba.

Side note -- Jabba's ability states, "after you activate this character". Can he re-roll one of his own dice?

Side note -- Jabba's ability states, "after you activate this character". Can he re-roll one of his own dice?

yes he can

Side note -- Jabba's ability states, "after you activate this character". Can he re-roll one of his own dice?

yes he can

So what do you do when your opponent uses Prized Possession on Vader?

So what do you do when your opponent uses Prized Possession on Vader?

You reroll or focus your other upgrade dice until you can kill the guy with Prized Possession and then you move on with life?

Assuming you live that long. Sounds like quite the uphill battle for Jabba with his Gaffi Stick; I'm not buying it.

Assuming you live that long. Sounds like quite the uphill battle for Jabba with his Gaffi Stick; I'm not buying it.

Did Vader get no upgrades at all? No Force Choke? No Lightsaber? No Mind Probe?

I also think your opponent is going to have a bit of difficulty playing Prized Possession with all the resource shredding Jabba and Vader bring with their 2 points Disruption die sides. It can still happen, it will just be a bit tough is all.

If your deck needs 3-4 other cards just to offset one of mine, well, I think that speaks for itself.

If your deck needs 3-4 other cards just to offset one of mine, well, I think that speaks for itself.

At no point did I make that argument.

So long as you have any kind of upgrades out there (which with any characters really, you should), Prized Possession inconveniences you but it's not an instant "I win." You can still use Jabba's ability to reroll strong upgrades like Jetpack and Flamethrower and his Focus die side is still great on Lightsabers (whichever one, really) and other blue upgrades Vader likes to have. You still have the tools necessary to kill the Prized Possession character and get your regular Vader dice back. Furthermore, Prized Possession is an expensive buy against 3 character dice that all have one face with 2 Disrupt, which is an argument I made above which you haven't thus far addressed.

You can have all of those upgrades you mentioned on any other character, so why sink that many points into Vader if he's only going to provide you with a single offensive die? Of course it's not an instant win, few things are. But it is a massive inconvenience, and it presents you with an enormous hill to climb. I named one card that foils a third of your initial dice (the only one capable of actually winning you a game), and so far you've named upwards of five others that you would need to come back from my little 'inconvenience.' Are we operating under the presumption that there are no other cards in my deck as well? Because we can either continue to tech against each other with these hypothetical decks, or just accept that 5-for-1ing someone is serious card advantage.

Re: Serious card advantage
You can spend $4 (and you STILL haven't addressed the question of how you casually get to $4 against all that resource shredding) to remove Vader's character dice, but the Jabba/Vader player can pay $4 (or less) to get a pretty potent replacement dice through upgrades until such a time comes where killing the Prized Possession character is quite possible at which point Vader's dice comes back.

The next time we continue this discussion, you'll have jumped to it requiring 6 cards to counter (it's gone from 3-4 to 5 in rapid succession despite me claiming already that's not at all what I'm saying). I've been listing various cards that effectively neutralize (as in the situation basically reverts to neutral) the Prized Possession situation by themselves and you continue to unscrupulously describe the situations as requiring ALL THOSE CARDS to handle when the reality is ANY ONE OF THOSE CARDS would do just fine. More than that would be swell, but you don't need more than just one to break even.

Re: Why sink so many points into Vader?
My own personal preference would be to run a different elite character at 16 points or less with elite Jabba (Jango Fett would get my vote for pure yellow, or Dooku for blue/yellow) or 2 mooks. With non-elite Jabba, I'd probably prefer elite General Grievious (with Flamethrowers and Gaffi Sticks and whatnot flying around that can get ugly) or some combination of cheaper mooks. I think the best argument for Vader is that with 2 Focus sides, Jabba can keep hitting the 3 damage faces on Vader's personal die early on (which is what we've been arguing about). You could also run it as a mild discard/mill threat by focusing on Jabba's 2 discard die side, but it doesn't seem great. Basically, I suspect as the character pool broadens the fact that Vader's 1 discard ability doesn't really synergize with Jabba although his dice does will probably separate the two. But for now it's not bad, even if it's not my cup of tea.

There's no need for me to jump to anything; you're missing your own point, so it's no surprise that you're missing mine.

You're asking me to draw out a theoretical deck and every course of action that I would need to take just to play one card, which is, to my mind, wholly beyond the scope of our conversation. Those things should be painfully obvious, and if you really think that Jabba/Vader is so oppressive that it would prevent me from playing that one specific card, well, then I don't know what to tell you at this point.

Out of courtesy, I'll share one last thought: elite Jango could easily net me four monies on the first turn of the game. Thanks for keeping it civilized.

You're taking the most hyperbolic interpretation of what I'm saying. I'm not saying you would never get to play Prized Possession. I'm sure you could sooner or later get there. I'm saying it wouldn't be easy because there's a lot of resource shredding going on (3 starting dice with 2-disrupt sides that shred resources + Jabba's ability to reroll his own dice + Jabba's 2 1-focus sides to get there if it's a priority), which can buy Jabba+Vader some breathing room if necessary.

The other point I've been making is the upgrades the deck would include would allow it to still have damage-dealing dice even after Prized Possession is used. If anything, a Vader+Jabba deck should be gunning for even more damage-dealing upgrades than your average because the starting character dice assortment doesn't have a lot of that and Jabba works best when there are a lot of dice around for him to reroll and/or focus to get to where he wants them.

I'm not trying to claim elite Jabba+Vader is some kind of win-all invincible deck or even a top-tier deck (we don't even know what the meta's going to shake out to be yet, we're just guessing at this point). What I disagree with is your assertion that Prized Possession on Vader is an extreme problem that can derail the deck. My argument comes down to 1) resource disruption can push back the window when it comes out and 2) the deck should have lots of upgrades that present high-damage sides already so that one abducted Vader dice isn't an instant-loss. I will agree that Vader is definitely the best target for Prized Possession, though. That's one potent character die. Prized Possession presents a problem, just not an insurmountable one.

I edited my previous comment, but suffice it to say resource generation isn't as difficult as you make it out to be, even against Jabba/Vader. Everything that I've mentioned thus far points to one simple fact: the deck suffers from too much opportunity cost. At present you're talking about dedicating all of your early dice to preventing me from executing my game plan, which is fine, but it also precludes you from executing your own. For every conceivable response you might generate from here on out I could easily form one of my own, but I don't want to do that because I know where hypothetical deck teching will get us (hint: it's nowhere). What the deck should have and what it actually has are two very different things, especially since you only have 30 slots to begin with, and if we're taking all of those into account then you're doing me a great disservice by ignoring every conceivable play that I might be making in response.

Does anybody play Prized Possession? It seems like a meta card that might only be worth playing if decks like Jabba/Vader become dominant and maybe not even then.

In the coming months the meta will start to take shape and we will have some idea of what the best decks look like and how to counter them. Who knows, maybe even Prized Possession will show its worth. Until then we are all just speculating.