Question regarding latest Order 66 podcast

By GroggyGolem, in Star Wars: Force and Destiny RPG

In episode 88, the one about the Sentinel sourcebook, Endless Vigil, it is mentioned that the in-depth talent description for the Force Leap upgrade of Enhance allows you to leap into and out of Engaged range from further range bands away than short.

I did not recall this being an option and took a look at the book just now. It doesn't say anywhere that it supercedes the rule that it always costs a separate maneuver to Engage a target.

Was this just a mistake on the podcaster's part?

I thought Sam clarified clearly that it did NOT supersede the rule. It functions only as a modified Move manoeuvre to change range bands, not an Engage/Dissengage manoeuvre.

He did clarify regarding the new talent in the Racer Spec but one of the GM hosts said that only stuff like Enhance's Leap upgrade let you supercede the normal rule and Sam didn't correct that.

Just to be sure, I'll listen to that section again.

*EDIT*

Just listened. What was said: "The only way I've found to get around that is to use the Enhance: Force Leap as an Action."

This was referring to being able to get around needing to spend a separate Maneuver to Engage a target (because it isn't a Maneuver when you use Leap as an Action, you can ignore the limitation, since the limitation only applies to Maneuvers).

Neat but a bit of a goofy rules situation due to RAW.

Edited by GroggyGolem

Dam it I misread your question, I believe this is the explanation:

Free-Running is a modification to the Move manoeuvre to change range bands, which excludes it from the Engage/Disengage

Enhance Upgrade "Force Leap" is nothing to do with the Move manoeuvre, it is specifically a Force Leap action, so being able to move to any location within range can include engaging.

Enhance Upgrade "Force Leap" is nothing to do with the Move manoeuvre, it is specifically a Force Leap action, so being able to move to any location within range can include engaging.

Force Leap has to be used as an Action to get around that though, so when using the upgrade that allows Force Leap as a Maneuver, you should still be subject to the Engage/Disengage limitation.

I don't understand why, your still performing a Force Leap not a Move.

I think it was GM Phil who said that, and I'll shoot a question off to the devs in the next couple of days to clarify that

I don't understand why, your still performing a Force Leap not a Move.

Because it's specifically called out as an Action normally. The Upgrade then says you perform the action as a Maneuver. As the limitation is on Maneuvers, it should apply when one is using Force Leap as a Maneuver, in the same way that Force Leap as a Maneuver counts towards your 2 Maneuver per round limit.

But the limits on using a Move manoeuvre, not on all manoeuvres

Okay, I see what you're saying. It would be good to get a clarification on that from them. Would you be cool with posting the response here?

Yep absolutely.

It may also mean the you can maneuver to disengage use to action to then move between range bands then maneuver to engage in the other combat within the same turn. Thus allowing you to move between two different combats within the same round while still being able to move more than short range to short range thus allowing you to move between 2 combats at medium range to each other. He may have meant that (thus getting the same result as the original question posed, albeit with more steps.

Although they missed that it is also possible if the starting career is also an explorer and finally with the other force talent (name escapes me) that allows you to get 3 maneuvers in a turn.

Edit for clarification normally you would have to disengage (1 maneuver) then take another maneuver to move within short range/ or move to medium range then another maneuver to engage the other combat. Using the force jump as an action in the middle part essentially gives you that 3rd manoeuvre

Edited by syrath