Some quick questions

By zarius, in 2. AGoT Rules Discussion

  1. If I lose a military battle as the defender, can I select a character and save him/her for dying? For example: Viserys Targaryen (Response: Save Viserys Targaryen from being killed or discarded, then return him to his owner's hand).
  2. In the same situation before, can I choose a noble character to die if The Power of Blood plot card is in play ( Noble characters cannot be killed ) or must i choose a character that can die normally?
  3. If a card is kneeling and must enter shadows, enters kneeling or stands? For example: Syrio Forel ( Stealth. Response: After you win a challenge in which Syrio Forel participated, put him into Shadows ). Can he participate in a challenge, win, enter shadows and come from shadows for defend another challenge?

Thank you in advance!!!

1) yes, you can save a character from being killed in a military challenge

2) no, you can't. Noble characters cannot be killed, so they cannot be chosen as payment of the military claim. You have to choose some non-noble character

3) You cannot bring Syrio Forel into play from the shadows in the middle of a phase. Shadow cards can be bring into play only at the beginning of any phase (and only one card per phase). So if Syrio wins a military challenge, and you decide to activate his response, he stays in the shadow area until the begin of the next phase...

thorin_81 said:

2) no, you can't. Noble characters cannot be killed, so they cannot be chosen as payment of the military claim. You have to choose some non-noble character

Just to be nit-picky, note that you do not "pay" claim of any sort. Claim is an effect, not a cost.

thorin_81 said:

3) You cannot bring Syrio Forel into play from the shadows in the middle of a phase. Shadow cards can be bring into play only at the beginning of any phase (and only one card per phase). So if Syrio wins a military challenge, and you decide to activate his response, he stays in the shadow area until the begin of the next phase...

In answer to the original question, "Shadows" is an out-of-play area so "kneeling" or "standing" has no more meaning there than it does in your dead pile, discard pile, deck or hand. Cards will always come into play standing, so no matter what state a card is in (kneeling or standing) when it goes into Shadows, it will always come back out standing.

But thorin is completely correct about the flaw in the example. Mandon Moore is the only Shadow card that can come out of Shadows in the middle of a phase, but that's because of a specific card effect. However, you could used Syrio in a challenge, trigger his effect to put him into Shadows, then bring him out of Shadows (standing) at the beginning of the Dominance phase so that his STR counts toward your Dominance total.

Ok, I have no doubts about it now!!! (At least in these rules :D ) Thank you very mutch!!!

To extend this: someone plays Power of the Blood and someone else plays Wild Fire Assault.

I have 4 characters, one is Noble. I the three non-Noble characters and then claim that the 4th character, outside the safety circle, is Noble, and can't die. Is that legal?

Yes.

The key difference in that example is that while it is illegal to choose a "cannot be killed" character as the target of a kill effect, Wildfire doesn't choose characters to die. It chooses the characters that live. The characters that die are not the (chosen) targets of the effect. So there is no conflict between that (legal) move and thorin's earlier explanation that "cannot be killed" characters cannot be chosen to die. You legally do not choose the Noble as a target and the non-targeted kill effect is then ignored by the Noble.