There are a lot worse than Castro out there.

That's true, but only because of how bad the 20th century was when it came to mass murdering psychopaths; we had Hitler, Stalin, Mao Zedong, Pol Pot, the Vietcong, Muammar Gaddafi, Saddam Hussein, Osama bin Laden etc.

...Bush

Beat me to it current number of innocent civilians killed in Iraq alone is 251,000.

Bush?

FFS, Gecko and Hobo. FFS.

Bush's illegal war (no WMD's ever found) and overthrow of the Hussein regime is at least partly responsible for the current situation with IS and refugee crisis.

Let's just hope the current incumbent doesn't end up joining the list.

There are a lot worse than Castro out there.

That's true, but only because of how bad the 20th century was when it came to mass murdering psychopaths; we had Hitler, Stalin, Mao Zedong, Pol Pot, the Vietcong, Muammar Gaddafi, Saddam Hussein, Osama bin Laden etc.

Thank you.

What is getting taught in schools these days regarding the history of the 20th century?

Not much. Most young people I talk to have no concept of the origin and ramifications of WWII that I can tell. To them, it's just some generation of old people who are dying off.

Bush's illegal war

It wasn't illegal. the US Congress voted 297 to 133 for it and the Senate voted 77 to 23 for it.

There are a lot worse than Castro out there.

That's true, but only because of how bad the 20th century was when it came to mass murdering psychopaths; we had Hitler, Stalin, Mao Zedong, Pol Pot, the Vietcong, Muammar Gaddafi, Saddam Hussein, Osama bin Laden etc.

Thank you.

What is getting taught in schools these days regarding the history of the 20th century?

Not much. Most young people I talk to have no concept of the origin and ramifications of WWII that I can tell. To them, it's just some generation of old people who are dying off.

Where is that? In Germany you it feels like you get nothing but! And then some cold war, but here is see many misconceptions and a lack of knowledge.

Bush's illegal war

It wasn't illegal. the US Congress voted 297 to 133 for it and the Senate voted 77 to 23 for it.

You know, there is this thing called international law? The US really should stop thinking they stand above it.

There are a lot worse than Castro out there.

That's true, but only because of how bad the 20th century was when it came to mass murdering psychopaths; we had Hitler, Stalin, Mao Zedong, Pol Pot, the Vietcong, Muammar Gaddafi, Saddam Hussein, Osama bin Laden etc.

Thank you.

What is getting taught in schools these days regarding the history of the 20th century?

Not much. Most young people I talk to have no concept of the origin and ramifications of WWII that I can tell. To them, it's just some generation of old people who are dying off.

Where is that? In Germany you it feels like you get nothing but! And then some cold war, but here is see many misconceptions and a lack of knowledge.

Bush's illegal war

It wasn't illegal. the US Congress voted 297 to 133 for it and the Senate voted 77 to 23 for it.

You know, there is this thing called international law? The US really should stop thinking they stand above it.

As should the Uk, Spain, Australia, Poland, and the other countries involved in the invasion in 2003.

No... I'm not going to break my own rule again about letting politics get into my gaming world.

Bush's illegal war (no WMD's ever found) and overthrow of the Hussein regime is at least partly responsible for the current situation with IS and refugee crisis.

Let's just hope the current incumbent doesn't end up joining the list.

Never found? Do you mean these weapons?

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Or maybe you meant the ones the NY Times admitted were found and dealt with, the destruction of with caused additional casualties among the Coalition troops that were tasked with disposing of them...

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/10/14/world/middleeast/us-casualties-of-iraq-chemical-weapons.html?_r=0

Get off the nutjob conspiracy sites, and join us in the real world. Of course they had WMDs, they USED them and killed tens of thousands of people with them. The USA (and France) GAVE them those weapons, which is the ugly truth that Bush and co. were busy truing to keep people from remembering. The war may have been a terrible mistake (and was IMO), but you do your credibility no service by repeating ridiculous reasons why. It also misleads others who don't know better.

As for the "illegality", the UN did in fact authorize the use of force. They shouldn't have, but they most certainly did. "International Law" in the real world is nothing more than the cover story the powerful use to justify their actions.

No... I'm not going to break my own rule again about letting politics get into my gaming world.

Ah crap you are right. This thread is headed right for the lockdown and I have been part of the problem!

No... I'm not going to break my own rule again about letting politics get into my gaming world.

Ah crap you are right. This thread is headed right for the lockdown and I have been part of the problem!

Anyone takin' bets on how long it will take?

I get it...it's a small sample. Still, powerful.

It's a very skewed sample. Of course Cubans in America are happy. . .Castro is why they left Cuba. People crying in Cuba for El Comandante could be equally powerful, if you chose to watch.

There is good and evil in all of us, folks. What Castro's death is, is the end of an era. Another nail in the coffin of the world in which I grew up in, and the clearing of the political fields for the generation of the Millennials, who will hopefully show more tolerance, globalism, and environmentalism than the warmongers of the 20th century.

Well, it took longer than I expected. .

I'll just leave this quote here:

Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth.

I get it...it's a small sample. Still, powerful.

It's a very skewed sample. Of course Cubans in America are happy. . .Castro is why they left Cuba. People crying in Cuba for El Comandante could be equally powerful, if you chose to watch.

Got to wonder, are they grieving in Cuba over the loss of Fidel or because what his brother will do to them if they don't?

Millennials.... tolerance

Pick one.

Millennials.... tolerance

Pick one.

Nothing is mutually exclusive, and "Pick One" is the genesis of the problem, not the solution.

Millennials.... tolerance

Pick one.

Nothing is mutually exclusive, and "Pick One" is the genesis of the problem, not the solution.

Dude, it was a joke.

Millennials.... tolerance

Pick one.

Nothing is mutually exclusive, and "Pick One" is the genesis of the problem, not the solution.

Dude, it was a joke.

Sorry, hard to tell from 2 words. As stupid as they are, emoticons do have uses.

Millennials.... tolerance

Pick one.

Nothing is mutually exclusive, and "Pick One" is the genesis of the problem, not the solution.

Dude, it was a joke.

Sorry, hard to tell from 2 words. As stupid as they are, emoticons do have uses.

Hey, fair enough.

Better than Che Guevara, but not by much.

His antique hearse broke down on the way to his funeral and his soldiers had to push it the rest of the way.

Poetic.

Justice.

No. When you say "human rights were not always number one" you are trying to put a happy face on the fact that he ****ing murdered people who disagreed with him. He "cared" for his people so much, he "educated" them by teaching them what he decided they should be taught, "reeducating" people who didn't do what he told them to, then forced them to stay and work in those capacities he told them to under penalty of imprisonment or death both for them and for their families. That is at best a terrible form of slavery.

No. You cannot express sympathy for a stone hearted mass murdering monster with the expectation of any sort of positive reaction. That is neither open-mindedness nor compassion, it is idiocy at best or willing ignorance at worst. The ONLY thing he had going for him was his opposition to the USA in a world that often hated it for it's own transgressions and bullying behavior, but Castro was in no way a hero.

But hey, the people who survived his regime and did exactly what they were told did achieve some measure of literacy that surpassed the levels you see in most 3rd world dictatorships. Just like the folks who survived Stalin's purges had a fairly high literacy rate as well. I suppose that's something.

Speak the truth! I am horrified by how anyone with a functional brain can say anything positive about that piece of ****! He was a dictator and a murderer, who had no respect for the rights of anyone. Seriously, he rounded up gay people and put them in freaking camps! There's a reason people are happy he's dead and celebrating it.

Burn in hell Fidel!

Also, I didn't like the guy. But I'm not going to just forget the good things he did because I didn't like him. It's history, and all of it is important.

If anything the fact that he did some good as a dictator shows that evil doesn't come in the nice black-and-white packages the movies tell us it's in. Nice, smiling, friendly people can be horrific monsters if they believe that it'll be worth it in the end; and then, after they've been a monster for a bit they go back to being nice and friendly.

I'm not going to forget any of it.

I'm not going to forget that in his own twisted way he did care about his people. I'm not going to forget that his road to power was paved with blood. I'm not going to forget that he survived in decent health for 50 years despite all of our best efforts. I will remember all of it, not just the parts I like, or think were important.

That way hopefully, when the next smiling person comes around the corner with the best of intentions I won't accidentally get hooked because I was busy looking for a monster.