Hey i have a quick question about toadify and finger of death.

Both of these spells triger off of "creatures"

The Lord of Darkness is a "Creature" and the rules dont state other wise.

So toadify makes his strength 1 since he is a creature. And finger of death instantly kills the creature.

For toadify do you then roll a dice for each and take the difference and teleport to the associated location?

For Finger of Death since it is killed is the differential considered 0 with regards to comparing attack scroes since there is no attack?

So in both cases you would get a treasure since you defeated him?

This seames very overpowered since you can basically go down there early in the game with that spell and get a very powerful item.

Is this correct?

Moggle121 said:

Looks correct. If you Finger the LoD, yeah, you use the 0 result, though get Treasure. And Toadify could backfire on you or get Counter Spelled (or Refleced).

"If a character kills the Lord of Darkness without resolving an
attack (such as by casting the Finger of Death Spell), the character
must use the “0” result on the Treasure Chamber’s chart." (p. 8, Dungeon rules)

Neither of those is any different really to Necromancer or Ogre Chieftain collecting a bunch of Followers and hitting the Dungeon, then going ape-**** on LoD, cashing in their Followers for 15+ points in combat. Finger of Death isn't really that useful, if you use random Treasure. Main reason IMO to go at LoD is to beat him by 8+.

Moggle121 said:

Of course, why not? You resolve the combat against the Toad of Darkness as normal

Moggle121 said:

Surprisingly enough, because I completely forgot it, there's an example at page 8 of the Dungeon booklet that instructs how to handle cases like this. It should be done as you say, you must consider a result of "0".

Moggle121 said:

You get a treasure in both cases. Nevertheless, I don't see Finger of Death as particularly imbalancing. The chances a player has to get one Spell card out of a deck of 70 (assuming you only have expansions up to Dungeon) and get at the end of the Dungeon very early in the game are so little, that the reward is well deserved. Maybe a Wizard with Teleport and Finger of Death would work, then why not?

Toadify is not an auto-working Spell but has only 50% chance, so no problem with that.

I agree.

You must be really lucky to draw Toadify and land on the LOD and changing him to a toad.

That's what talisman is all about.

Do you want to keep the spell, until you are strong enough to take that risk on the lod, or do you want to use it in a instant on your opponent,so that you hope that he will turn into a toad, and that his life will end quickly..

But if you have fate, maybe it will work.

luckily, it will not be easy to draw that spell card, even if there are 2 toadify's on a spell deck of 90 cards !

PS: i like the word... ) against the ..TOAD OF DARKNESS

Thanks for your help everyone!