A discussion on Sato and Opening Salvo made me reread that card. Keeping in mind the hard counter to an all-flotilla list is Madine Cracken...

If you are second player, getting two black dice added to your pool makes attacking with combat flotillas an interesting idea....

Edited to fix silly mistake.

You mean Cracken?

You must be running the Combat Retrofit.

You must be firing out of the front (or rear) arc.

You must accept the fact its only on the first shot.

You must not be facing Cracken.

If all, and only all of the above applies... Great.

Don't run into Asteroids or Debris Fields and net your opponents free points, though...

You mean Cracken?

This.

This is why I wouldn't ever take an idea like this competitively. If a reasonably likely, unlucky matchup can make it literally impossible for you to win... You should rethink your list.

In a casual game though, it could be interesting, I suppose, just for funsies.

I would say that for all-flotilla (or mainly-flotilla) fleets one does need to commit hard to those Tractor Beams. the only problem with the idea is that you can'r guarantee that Opening Salvo will be chosen.

(I do run opening salvo in one of my list nowadays and I think it's unlikely I'll ever play it)

I would say that for all-flotilla (or mainly-flotilla) fleets one does need to commit hard to those Tractor Beams. the only problem with the idea is that you can'r guarantee that Opening Salvo will be chosen.

(I do run opening salvo in one of my list nowadays and I think it's unlikely I'll ever play it)

I got to play it in my Double-Dictor list, the one time that I was out-bid on Initiative....

... Mostly because Fleet Ambush while facing Nose-Punch Bombers and multiple G7-Xs wasn't going to happen... And I had that on top of GravShift for Minefields, so really, Opening Salvo was the best choice...

All Nebs and all flotillas. Run Cracken yourself to keep them all alive.

But seriously. I have thought about it, and if I'm running the combat flotillas, I usually consider slicer tools on them, and opening salvo is usually in my objectives. Same as above where it may not be super competitive but kinda fun to try.

I would say that for all-flotilla (or mainly-flotilla) fleets one does need to commit hard to those Tractor Beams. the only problem with the idea is that you can'r guarantee that Opening Salvo will be chosen.

(I do run opening salvo in one of my list nowadays and I think it's unlikely I'll ever play it)

I run it with my 4*MC30/3*GR-75 list. Got to play it in my tourney last weekend--it was glorious. The objective itself isn't bad, it's just a pretty niche objective.

I would say that for all-flotilla (or mainly-flotilla) fleets one does need to commit hard to those Tractor Beams. the only problem with the idea is that you can'r guarantee that Opening Salvo will be chosen.

(I do run opening salvo in one of my list nowadays and I think it's unlikely I'll ever play it)

I run it with my 4*MC30/3*GR-75 list. Got to play it in my tourney last weekend--it was glorious. The objective itself isn't bad, it's just a pretty niche objective.

Its not (I'm running it in a DeMSU fleet) I'm surprised it got selected - were other objectives even worse?

I used to play it a few times with Ackbar. Hyperspace or intel sweep. People often forget the win condition.

I would say that for all-flotilla (or mainly-flotilla) fleets one does need to commit hard to those Tractor Beams. the only problem with the idea is that you can'r guarantee that Opening Salvo will be chosen.

(I do run opening salvo in one of my list nowadays and I think it's unlikely I'll ever play it)

I run it with my 4*MC30/3*GR-75 list. Got to play it in my tourney last weekend--it was glorious. The objective itself isn't bad, it's just a pretty niche objective.

Its not (I'm running it in a DeMSU fleet) I'm surprised it got selected - were other objectives even worse?

Hyperspace and Intel Sweep. This particular player had been the victim of my MC30's in both of the other two before, which scared him into... another bad option.

I used to play it a few times with Ackbar. Hyperspace or intel sweep. People often forget the win condition.

It would very good with your Ackbar Star Destroyers. I get medium range MC30 broadsides; you'd get them at long.

Now if only you could reroll those blacks...

I used to play it a few times with Ackbar. Hyperspace or intel sweep. People often forget the win condition.

It would very good with your Ackbar Star Destroyers. I get medium range MC30 broadsides; you'd get them at long.

Now if only you could reroll those blacks...

Pfft, better to be able to acc evade...

You must be running the Combat Retrofit.

You must be firing out of the front (or rear) arc.

You must accept the fact its only on the first shot.

You must not be facing Cracken.

If all, and only all of the above applies... Great.

Don't run into Asteroids or Debris Fields and net your opponents free points, though...

#1 & #2 aren't relevant if you are playing the Imperial version, as they have an arc out of all sides. As for facing Cracken, you wouldn't run a 100% Flotilla list.

I used to play it a few times with Ackbar. Hyperspace or intel sweep. People often forget the win condition.

It would very good with your Ackbar Star Destroyers. I get medium range MC30 broadsides; you'd get them at long.

Now if only you could reroll those blacks...

Veteran Gunners?

I used to play it a few times with Ackbar. Hyperspace or intel sweep. People often forget the win condition.

It would very good with your Ackbar Star Destroyers. I get medium range MC30 broadsides; you'd get them at long.

Now if only you could reroll those blacks...

Veteran Gunners?

I was just needling him. He takes Sensor Teams on those ships because he hates winning rolls like a demon and doesn't need dice mods.

So you are going to build a fleet for an objective, and then your opponent simply doesn't take it. Until CC hits, this idea will never take place. If I saw what you are trying to do, I'd pick your blue because I can overwhelm your flotillas with my flag ship, likely a Liberty with GT and LS so I get those Acc. Or I place myself in a position so you run into me and you kill yourself.

You are better off running Glads with APT and Opening Salvo, as SkyShuffler has mentioned is extremely painful to deal with when you are taking APT at long range.

This is a super niche idea that doesn't have any staying power once you use your first shot. Cracken kills it, but how many flotillas do you remove to kill him? And what if you never catch Cracken?

Most importantly, this idea only works if your opponent plays ball with you.

This is one of those "Great in theory, horrible in practice" ideas.

Undeadguy - Cool. We are playing intel sweep and i will take the 75pts and run. Unless you want to send your liberty through two asteroids that is....

You must be running the Combat Retrofit.

You must be firing out of the front (or rear) arc.

You must accept the fact its only on the first shot.

You must not be facing Cracken.

If all, and only all of the above applies... Great.

Don't run into Asteroids or Debris Fields and net your opponents free points, though...

#1 & #2 aren't relevant if you are playing the Imperial version, as they have an arc out of all sides. As for facing Cracken, you wouldn't run a 100% Flotilla list.

No, but you did specify Sato, so that's what I was going with. Since there is no Imperial Sato...

Undeadguy - Cool. We are playing intel sweep and i will take the 75pts and run. Unless you want to send your liberty through two asteroids that is....

Errrr yea I'll do that. Not sure why people are scared of obstacles.

You have a bunch of flotillas moving speed 3, I have a Liberty moving speed 3. You get to throw 1 die, I'm throwing a minimum of 7. I'll take 2 crits on my flagship because that is not the only source of my damage. Liberty chases you into Yavaris and bombers. And if you don't fall into it, I'll pick some flotillas off and still take the win.

Someone write a serious fleet list that would try to do this. Because all I am seeing is a massive amount of flotillas to benefit from Opening Salvo. Sure, drop some to get a Cracken hunter. But again, if you have 10+ flotillas, what else are you bringing to force your opponent to pick Opening Salvo? That is the flaw with this. Your fleet doesn't do anything unless your opponent allows it to happen. A well designed fleet should force your opponent into a disadvantage, not give yourself one.

Undeadguy - Cool. We are playing intel sweep and i will take the 75pts and run. Unless you want to send your liberty through two asteroids that is....

Superior positions could also be a bad one for first player.

You must be running the Combat Retrofit.

You must be firing out of the front (or rear) arc.

You must accept the fact its only on the first shot.

You must not be facing Cracken.

If all, and only all of the above applies... Great.

Don't run into Asteroids or Debris Fields and net your opponents free points, though...

#1 & #2 aren't relevant if you are playing the Imperial version, as they have an arc out of all sides. As for facing Cracken, you wouldn't run a 100% Flotilla list.

What are you running with the flotillas? I suggest you read the scoring conditions of opening salvo. Mc80 liberty doesnt solve your problem, even though it heavily counters Cracken.

Undeadguy - Cool. We are playing intel sweep and i will take the 75pts and run. Unless you want to send your liberty through two asteroids that is....

Errrr yea I'll do that. Not sure why people are scared of obstacles.

You have a bunch of flotillas moving speed 3, I have a Liberty moving speed 3. You get to throw 1 die, I'm throwing a minimum of 7. I'll take 2 crits on my flagship because that is not the only source of my damage. Liberty chases you into Yavaris and bombers. And if you don't fall into it, I'll pick some flotillas off and still take the win.

Someone write a serious fleet list that would try to do this. Because all I am seeing is a massive amount of flotillas to benefit from Opening Salvo. Sure, drop some to get a Cracken hunter. But again, if you have 10+ flotillas, what else are you bringing to force your opponent to pick Opening Salvo? That is the flaw with this. Your fleet doesn't do anything unless your opponent allows it to happen. A well designed fleet should force your opponent into a disadvantage, not give yourself one.

10 flotillas? No, I was thinking more like 3-5ish.

You must be running the Combat Retrofit.

You must be firing out of the front (or rear) arc.

You must accept the fact its only on the first shot.

You must not be facing Cracken.

If all, and only all of the above applies... Great.

Don't run into Asteroids or Debris Fields and net your opponents free points, though...

#1 & #2 aren't relevant if you are playing the Imperial version, as they have an arc out of all sides. As for facing Cracken, you wouldn't run a 100% Flotilla list.

What are you running with the flotillas? I suggest you read the scoring conditions of opening salvo. Mc80 liberty doesnt solve your problem, even though it heavily counters Cracken.

Never said this was a fully fleshed-out idea, but I'd lean more toward Imperial over Rebel since you'd get the double black at long range with the combat Gozantis. Mix with raiders and an ISD perhaps? The Flotillas are used to maximize activations and the benefit of of the objective.

BTW, I only mentioned Sato because that was the other thread that kicked off this Monday brainstorm...

Your ideas are bad and you should feel bad.