Tie Shuttle Fleet Officer and Recon Specialist

By redviperofdorne, in X-Wing Rules Questions

If I equip a Tie Bomber with Tie Shuttle, Fleet Officer, and Recon Specialist, will I get two focus to give away and one for myself? Three ships, three focus within range 1-2.

No. Fleet Officer just assigns Focus tokens to the chosen ships; it does not have them perform Focus actions. Recon Specialist thus has no interaction with it.

So assigning a Focus token is not a focus action?

Correct, assigning a token (Focus or otherwise) is not the same as performing an action, otherwise it couldn't be done when stressed

So with Recon specialist, during the activation phase, a player should only put one focus token down, and than latter during combat phase, if they use that focus, they should then put another focus token down.

So Manaroo couldn't use Recon Specialist to assign two focus tokens to another friendly ship. Also a ship with recon can't double focus for Kaa'to Leeachos to take one and keep one for themselves?

So with Recon specialist, during the activation phase, a player should only put one focus token down, and than latter during combat phase, if they use that focus, they should then put another focus token down.

What? No. You assign the Focus token when you are instructed to. With Recon Specialist that is when you perform a Focus action. So yes, Manaroo can pass 2 across and ships can get a spare setup for Kaa'to to steal. Take a loot at "Assigning a Token to your Ship" on p.4 of the FAQ.

There's no interaction with Fleet Officer because nowhere does Fleet Officer have you perform a Focus action; it just assigns a Focus token to the two chosen ships.

Edited by DR4CO

So with Recon specialist, during the activation phase, a player should only put one focus token down, and than latter during combat phase, if they use that focus, they should then put another focus token down.

So Manaroo couldn't use Recon Specialist to assign two focus tokens to another friendly ship. Also a ship with recon can't double focus for Kaa'to Leeachos to take one and keep one for themselves?

Rulebook, page 8 under Focus

If a card ability instructs a player to assign a focus token to a ship, this is different than performing a focus action. The ship is assigned the token without performing an action and may still perform the focus action this round.

Recon Specialist specifically needs you to perform a focus action in order to trigger. Merely assigning a token, doesn't trigger Recon Specialist. And just have a Recon Specialist equipped doesn't mean you instantly double your focus tokens every time a card references them.

Edited by Parravon

Yeah see recon specialist doesn't give you a second focus token during activation and Manaroo and Kaa'to's ability comes at the start of combat so the players I've seen doubling up are appear to be wrong.

Yeah see recon specialist doesn't give you a second focus token during activation and Manaroo and Kaa'to's ability comes at the start of combat so the players I've seen doubling up are appear to be wrong.

No, they're not. Recon Specialist tells you to assign a second Focus token when you perform a Focus action. Both tokens will be available for Manaroo/Kaa'to/whatever other shenanigans you have planned.

What? Yes, it does. Recon Specialist gives you two focus tokens when you perform the Focus action. You perform the action as normal for the first; and the Recon Spec. crew allows you to assign a second focus token.

A Recon Spec. carrying Manaroo would then be able to pass both those focus tokens onto another ship at the start of the combat phase.

EDIT: Ninja'd.

Edited by Dr Zoidberg

Well how is it that Fleet Officer "assigning" a focus token is not "preforming a focus action" but "assigning" a focus token to yourself is without her is "preforming a focus action"? Fleet Officer is on your ship and that's your action. You don't get another one. Fleet Officer can "assign" to other ships or to the one she's on.

The original answer I received to my question was "assigning" and "preforming" are two different things.

If "assigning" and "preforming" are different, than Recon doesn't give a second focus until "preforming" and that would'nt happen until firing or defending. After the start of combat.

Edited by redviperofdorne

Actions occur during the activation phase. Using a focus token during an attack or defence is spending the token. This is not performing a focus action.

The focus action takes place (usually) in the activation phase, at the 'Perform Action' step. You take the focus action and your ships gains a focus token. This is different from assigning a token to a ship, which can occur under a variety of circumstances.

Fleet Officer is an action in which you assign two focus tokens to two ships. It's not performing a focus action twice; it's effectively performing the "Fleet Officer Action", which involves focus tokens.

Well how is it that Fleet Officer "assigning" a focus token is not "preforming a focus action" but "assigning" a focus token to yourself is without her is "preforming a focus action"? Fleet Officer is on your ship and that's your action. You don't get another one. Fleet Officer can "assign" to other ships or to the one she's on.

The original answer I received to my question was "assigning" and "preforming" are two different things.

If "assigning" and "preforming" are different, than Recon doesn't give a second focus until "preforming" and that would'nt happen until firing or defending. After the start of combat.

OK, you (as many people before you) are conflating assigning a token with performing the default action that is one of the many ways of doing that.

Performing a focus action is when you use your Perform Action step to use the [eye] action on your ship's base token/action bar. When you do this, it assigns your ship a single focus token.

But this is only one of the MANY way that focus tokens can be assigned to ships, and it's the *only* one that is Performing a Focus Action. If you have Recon Specialists, this is the ONLY time they take effect - when the ship they're equipped to Performs a Focus Action. And the effect that they have is that you assign an extra focus token per equipped Recon Specialist - so if you equip one, you can Perform a Focus Action to take one focus token, and another for the Recon Specialist for a total of two, and assign both to that ship, right then. You can then later use the focus tokens for... whatever you can use focus tokens for.

There are also dozens of other ways that focus tokens can be assigned to ships, including but not limited to Fleet Officer, Soontir Fel's pilot ability, Kaato's pilot ability, Manaroo's pilot ability, Rage, etc etc etc etc etc. NONE of these are Performing Focus Actions, but all of them assign focus tokens.

In the case of Fleet Officer, the action you're performing is Fleet Officer. It happens to assign focus tokens (to up to two friendly ships in range, which can include yourself) but you didn't Perform a Focus Action, you performed Fleet Officer. So Recon Specialist is not triggered. Nor would it be by performing the Rage action, nor by Attani Mindlink, nor by Manaroo passing a token to someone with it, nor ANY of the other ways focus tokens can be assigned.

Recon Specialist only triggers if the ship it's on performs the Focus action

So with Recon specialist, during the activation phase, a player should only put one focus token down, and than latter during combat phase, if they use that focus, they should then put another focus token down.

So Manaroo couldn't use Recon Specialist to assign two focus tokens to another friendly ship. Also a ship with recon can't double focus for Kaa'to Leeachos to take one and keep one for themselves?

As regards this specific case:

Manaroo can equip Recon Specialist. If she does, when she takes a focus action, she gets two focus tokens. She's then done performing the focus action until her next activation phase, and the Recon Specialist is done with until the next time she takes an action. At the start of combat she can use her pilot ability to pass both those focus tokens (along with any evade tokens and target lock tokens, red or blue, currently assigned to her ship) to another friendly ship.

As regards Kaato, if a friendly ship equipped with Recon Specialist uses a focus action it gets two tokens. Then at start of combat, if he's in range, Kaato can steal one of them for himself.

(This all gets a lot more complex if Attani Mindlink is involved, so I'm going to ignore that option for now, unless you really want to go there...)

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Thanks for the help. One of the hardest things about this game for me to get so far.

Thanks for the help. One of the hardest things about this game for me to get so far.

Then have another look at some of the cards that have been mentioned above and see how they interact with those rule sections.

Try to read these with fresh outlook and don't apply any previous ideas that aren't actually within those rules, as that seems to be where you're going astray.

Fleet Officer is an Action that happens to be able to assign Focus Tokens.

FOCUS is an Action that assigns the ship taking the Focus Action a Focus token.

Recon Specialist provides a ship taking the FOCUS Action an additional Focus Token.

Multiple Recon Specialists would ALL provide an additional Token when the Focus Action is taken; this is generally not all that useful as most ships that could take two or more Recon Specialists probably are not going to make great use of multiple tokens.

The Lando crew card requires the use of an Action which can assign a ship Focus tokens.

There are many effects in the game which can grant a ship tokens of various types but Actions are still specific.