I am struggling between Maarek or Vessery or Ryad (x7, Juke, Ion Engine) and Vader (EU, Targeting Computer).

I would say the Defender is a but more durable but also more predictable.

Why we see so less Vader in the last time? I would prefer him over PTL aces due to the stress meta

Arguments for or against Vader or Defenders?

(Would like to mix a bomber and Carnor with a third ship)

Vader is meat for multiple TLTs.

Vader is meat for multiple TLTs.

This. Defenders are also meat for TLT, but the white K turns with focus/evade helps them a long massively.

Since you already have a thruster ace you could go for whatever you want!

Anything with juke is awesome with carnor, so I would say either Vessery/ryad with juke or Vader with juke, engine and computer.

Personally I would go with vader, since he is way more flexible: You can boost/BR, you can have two actions, after your first TL, you focus evade every turn, juking it out + you are PS9. But it all depends on your playstyle.

Vader (EU, Targeting Computer).

Isn't Targeting Computer a redundant upgrade on him?

I guess it depends a bit on the bomber build. And, to a lesser extent, Carnor's build. Vessery might not be the best, because he doesn't really have anyone to take TLs for him. It also dpends on how you want your list to play, and what you prefer.

Vader is meat for multiple TLTs.

This. Defenders are also meat for TLT, but the white K turns with focus/evade helps them a long massively.

Since you already have a thruster ace you could go for whatever you want!

Anything with juke is awesome with carnor, so I would say either Vessery/ryad with juke or Vader with juke, engine and computer.

Personally I would go with vader, since he is way more flexible: You can boost/BR, you can have two actions, after your first TL, you focus evade every turn, juking it out + you are PS9. But it all depends on your playstyle.

Yes I agree. But Defender would be as prone to TLTs as Vader. Both have 3 agility, evade and focus. Vader at least can get into range 1 easily

Thanks for answers so far

Vader (EU, Targeting Computer).

Isn't Targeting Computer a redundant upgrade on him?

Sorry, I meant "Advanced Targeting Computer" (it is the windows 10 upgrade for TIE advanced)

The Tie/Ad dial is horrible. If Vader happens to get stressed it takes him about 3 turns to get back into the action. Any Defender gets two actions (evade and focus or target lock) with the x7 title but with a much better dial than Vader. The Defender gets three red dice while Vader gets two by the way.

That particular Vader gets two red dice and a guaranteed critical hit, by the way.

Not really. To get that crit Vader needs to spend an action on a target lock so he won´t have either the focus or the evade that the Defender has.

Yes, really. He's got two actions and is PS9; he's getting the critical hit.

I just cant take the advanced dial. I run juno with prockets.

Wait for kylo

Yes, really. He's got two actions and is PS9; he's getting the critical hit.

Sure, but he needs to get the crit through on the opponent without leaving himself extremely vulnerable on defense. Im a spectator when it comes to the regional-level meta but I think it tells a story that you hardly see Vader anywhere these days.

Wait for kylo

kylo + coordnate + palpshuttle

I am struggling between Maarek or Vessery or Ryad (x7, Juke, Ion Engine) and Vader (EU, Targeting Computer).

I would say the Defender is a but more durable but also more predictable.

The Defender is easier to fly. Plain and simple. I like both Vader and any flavour of TIE defender. But its certainly easier to use Defenders (at least if they have the X-7 title). Vader is incredible though. So are Defenders. Choose your awesome....either way isn't really 'inferior' (unless you can't make one work...)

Vader was briefly decent again whilst Jumps were suppressing TLTs, but now that TLTs are back, he's back to questionable at best. If you can afford the 35 points a well specced Vader costs, you'd be better off with a Juke Glaive in all likelihood. And if you're building him cheap without Engine Upgrade, Inquisitor or Quickdraw is going to be more useful i feel. Or, you know, a /x7 Delta.

Overall, he's never going to be actively bad because he can be PS11 with two actions, but I doubt he's be amazing again.

The main issue is, as always, TLTs.

Vader with VI, the title and the computer, and engine upgrade, is really a pain for your opponent

The main issue is, as always, TLTs.

Are Defenders not worse against TLTs?

Vader has to spend all his actions to be as durable as defender, while in fact he really likes to use boost and barrel roll and occasionally Target Lock something. He has no white K, which means he needs more time to get back into fight, and he need his actions so stress is killing him, while x7 grants at least this free evade for defenders.

Vader is still solid, yes he can have problems with multiple TLT's but if your only taking Vader of course you'll have problems. Vader with vessary with the bid D title and omega leader are a great triple treat yep the lack of autos is a problem against TLT's but in that case you could drop vessary down to the X7. Putting adaptability on Vader in a list like this gives you the option to drop down to ps 8 and have him push through his crit or up to 10 against those Edgar's. You could go a cheep carnor and just give him autos, Or even go the inquisitor.

While it's true Vader doesn't have the best dial but gez it ain't that bad, he's not realy getting stressed. And what his dial just all of a sudden got worse? No it's a case that tie Ds are just easy buuuuuuut are predictable, but are action ecconomy specialists on easy mode. If you like the idea of running him play him enough with a solid squad that can support

A point I'm trying to make, though, is that it's very easy to stick with certain builds and see certain upgrades as indispensable. If you want to be unpredictable, force yourself to be so.

Go ahead, be weird, toss a Daredevil on Soontir and really change the way he flies.

The main issue is, as always, TLTs.

Are Defenders not worse against TLTs?

For their cost, no and they are better against non-aces in general as Vader often needs to spend an action or two to set up shots (Boost/Roll + TL). The Defenders can outjust just about everything short of Dengar.