you're not giving up Gyroscoptic whateverthehells on your Lancer for it

Targeting is a difficult word.

As regards STealth Device, I suspect there's a much better argument for this monster with Countermeasures. Get one kill per round near it, your 2-agi large ship is now 3-agi and sheds a TL a round. Enjoy.

Ya the more I think about it, the more Countermeasures in combo with this just seems absurd for Jumps and Lancers. It seems so good it might even be worthwhile on IGs and YVs. You get to choose when you crack it, so you just grab your extra agility either a) when you need it desperately or b) when you know you are gonna drop something so you can just replenish it. Or, alternatively, you just crack it every round, and just play the numbers game expecting that you will get to replenish it again and again in the near future.

And you know what's crazy? before this past tourney season and the invention of Dengaroo, I guarantee any comment that mentions Countermeasures in combo with this is glanced over and forgotten since CMs is a "back of the binder" card. Now? Everyone is terrified of it.

incorrectly terrified

it's only been proven to be useful on mr. infinite focus + LW re-roll dengar

you're not giving up Gyroscoptic whateverthehells Engine on your Lancer for it

Fixed for ya.

either or

the extra agility is basically worthless on its own, as agility often is

Talonbane/Mindlink/Cluster/Chips/Crane?

35 points though

E: and of course, Talonebane doesn't get his ability on missile shots.

How about:

Black Sun Ace (23)

Deadeye (1)

Homing Missiles (5)

Scavenger Crane (2)

Guidance Chips (0)

Black Sun Ace (23)

Deadeye (1)

Homing Missiles (5)

Scavenger Crane (2)

Guidance Chips (0)

Black Sun Ace (23)

Deadeye (1)

Homing Missiles (5)

Scavenger Crane (2)

Guidance Chips (0)

Total: 93

If they are able to kill something in one round, they will all get their Homing Missiles back again. Rise and Repeat.

Remember you need to be at range 1-2 though. Something that is getting forgotten here is that a big reason Alpha strikes work is because they can pound a ship from range 3 on the very first engagement. Crane isn't going to trigger in the optimal scenario.

I've said it before, but I'll say it again. TIE/D Maarek with Ion Cannon and A Score to Settle is 38 points. This card is really good on him, especially agaisnt lists with a key expensive ship.

Am I crazy or does "A Score to Settle" look pretty good on a Tie/D Vessery?

Edit: Ninja'd but I think Vessery has an argument for Settling Scores as he gets re-rolls and mini-focus on both shots.

I've said it before, but I'll say it again. TIE/D Maarek with Ion Cannon and A Score to Settle is 38 points. This card is really good on him, especially agaisnt lists with a key expensive ship.

now we know that "A Debt to Pay" will also be really good against Tie/D Maarek with Ion Cannon

can't see it ever being used on something as expensive or as squishy as a Tie/D. Far more partial to making Hux work there

Kath w/ Tail Gunner, Engine Upgrade, and either VI or Mindlink

Fenn Rau w/ Title, Autothrusters, and either PTL or Mindlink

Unkar Plutt w/ Intel Agent, Primed Thrusters, Spacetug Tractor Array 21 pts.

Mindlink version has 2 pts left over (Feedback Array on Kath? Bomb on Kath or Plutt? 1pt Illicit on Kath?), where as PTL/VI version is at 100 pts

....I enjoy lowering agility too much....or not enough

so, everyone wants Scavenger Crane [and other cards]...hopefully that means lots of QJ models sold off cheap...is this gonna be the new AutoThrusters/Starviper ???

Dont forget the crane can go away. Its ..what is it 50% chance to roll a blank on a red die? You still get the card flipped back up but you might only get it once.

Also this would be funny against swarms. Drop bomb...get one back...drop bomb...get it back...etc etc

Uhhh... Try 25%.

2 blanks, 2 focus, 3 hits, 1 crit. 8 sides total.

2/8 = 1/4 = 25%.

HAHA, this reminds me of:

I love it. It's dirty and scummy.

It's different from everything else. That's good.

It's going to have a meta impact.

Great design. Great ship.

Meta impact in two ways:

1) Biggs effect. Because:

2) If you ignore it, it WILL piss you off.

Its only got 2 attack, so the odds of it doing damage reliably (especially with the action handing tractor tokens instead of focus/tl) are really bad. But, 17pts for the PS1 guy with the mod to completely screw with your enemy until they kill it is so worth it lol

Spacetug Tractor Array is going to be crazy fun. It's an ACTION to Tractor Beam someone. Just think of all the ways you can mess with a PTL Arc Dodger. You move first and get in R1 of someone like Soontir Fel. Trigger your action to Tractor him. You can Barrel Roll or Boost the guy. You know he's probably doing a 2 bank or 2 turn. How easy would it be to set him up for a bump....or go onto an asteroid....or even go off the board!?!? The level of stupid things you can do is hysterical.

Pretty much. People have a habit of ignoring the chance of being slammed into a rock because tractors are so rare.

Plop any given ace behind a rock, they will hit it when they activate and even if they didnt take damage, they have no actions and -1 agi. Thats huge.

This will be the wave i get into scum. I am going to abuse this ship so much lol

Unless I missed something, Zuvio can drop a mine and Tractor someone into it on the same turn.

Talonbane/Mindlink/Cluster/Chips/Crane?

35 points though

E: and of course, Talonebane doesn't get his ability on missile shots.

How about:

Black Sun Ace (23)

Deadeye (1)

Homing Missiles (5)

Scavenger Crane (2)

Guidance Chips (0)

Black Sun Ace (23)

Deadeye (1)

Homing Missiles (5)

Scavenger Crane (2)

Guidance Chips (0)

Black Sun Ace (23)

Deadeye (1)

Homing Missiles (5)

Scavenger Crane (2)

Guidance Chips (0)

Total: 93

If they are able to kill something in one round, they will all get their Homing Missiles back again. Rise and Repeat.

Remember you need to be at range 1-2 though. Something that is getting forgotten here is that a big reason Alpha strikes work is because they can pound a ship from range 3 on the very first engagement. Crane isn't going to trigger in the optimal scenario.

No, but the crane also works if your friend next to you dies. It's not enemy ship, it's any ship. So the three BSAs roll up and shoot their missiles. If the return fire kills one, BOTH ships can recover their spent missile.

Unless I missed something, Zuvio can drop a mine and Tractor someone into it on the same turn.

This makes me so very happy.

Am I crazy for thinking Xizor mini-swarm with some of these tractor beam meatshields?

Unless I missed something, Zuvio can drop a mine and Tractor someone into it on the same turn.

well, you'd have to have Pattern Analyzer to do the action before you get stressed but yes (assuming the backing up didnt leave range1)

Unless I missed something, Zuvio can drop a mine and Tractor someone into it on the same turn.

well, you'd have to have Pattern Analyzer to do the action before you get stressed but yes (assuming the backing up didnt leave range1)

Re-read the ability. It says "you may drop a bomb" including one with an action header. You aren't performing an action, you get to drop a bomb outside of the normal rules. Similar to deathfire/rain/wind/earth.

Yes you are performing an action.

The mod is an action to tractor them into the bomb you just dropped. Thats what he was talking about.

Unless I missed something, Zuvio can drop a mine and Tractor someone into it on the same turn.

well, you'd have to have Pattern Analyzer to do the action before you get stressed but yes (assuming the backing up didnt leave range1)

Re-read the ability. It says "you may drop a bomb" including one with an action header. You aren't performing an action, you get to drop a bomb outside of the normal rules. Similar to deathfire/rain/wind/earth.

no, dfire/rain work with actions

i.e dfire is a free bomb action

drain only occurs when dropping the bomb, ie after action costs have been paid or his dial has been revealed

this guy works differently, hopefully, as it just says to drop the bomb (even ACTION bombs);

no actions involved

You don't need PA to drop the bomb, you need PA to use the tractor beam since reverse maneuvers are red and give a stress.

I'm saying there is no action involved because of the timing window and wording. The ability doesn't say anything about performing bomb upgrade card actions, similar to other abilities that assign tokens or acquire target locks without an action. Timing is relevant because after revealing a maneuver (Zuvio's timing window) is not a normal time to perform an action. The card says drop a bomb, and it says the bomb may have the Action header. The wording and timing together make exceptions to normal bomb rules.

You don't need PA to drop the bomb, you need PA to use the tractor beam since reverse maneuvers are red and give a stress.

Or Adrenaline Rush to treat the move as white.