Also here's a little English lesson for everyone. Everyone has the right to be offended by Swear words because the purpose of swear words is to be offensive! They are absolutely attack words meant for times when one wants to express anger or aggression towards a topic or person. So the idea that people need not to be offended is the idea of blaming the victim of feeling attacked when they were attacked.

Swear words are Not just normal adjectives and they do carry a weight of aggression, that is their exact purpose and to deny that shows a lack of understanding of what's the purpose of swear words.

f you're going to use that analysis of language you have to include the evolution of language and the fact that some swear words cease to be swear words through use in the modern lexicon. Example is how god wasn't censored but **** was. This is also exemplified in the push back against not using it since so many people that would be like asking people to not use the word "the".

And again, only immature people use swear words like punctuation or in place of "the" as you put it. Language has not changed that much and only aggressive ***hats believe that nonsense.

But back on topic I really liked the clone wars arquittens paint scheme with the red and an a bit underwhelmed with the drab gray on the imperial version. Maybe an alternate version in the future?

The most standout detail I noticed from the republic version was actually de-gunning the ship. It's supposed to have two twin laser cannons laterally on each side that end up being removed for the Imperial Refit.

It actually reminds me of how some real-life cruisers and battleships ended up being modernized between the world wars, ending up with empty hardpoints that remained in the superstructure when their secondary battery was removed.

I love the impersonal Imperial grey myself. It is a little disappointing that I can't personalize them like I can with Rebel ships, but the feeling of a strong and unified fleet is just as gratifying.

No offense but do you guys have to keep using the GD word to describe a miniature? I'm not soft skinned by any means but I am finding it Offensive.

Calm down snowflake

I swear I find this thread to have turned offensively off topic.

I swear I find this thread to have turned offensively off topic.

By the Beard of Zeus and the Noodly Appendage of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, you Cthulu'd it as it is!

I think the people who feel the need to use swear words in every sentence to give it false importance need to grow up. When people use curse words to get across a point they are using the more ID part of their brain which is the immature side. Yes there is a time and place for curse words but using it every time shows a lack of respect not only for the readers but also for our English language.

And this is coming from someone who uses swear words regularly, but I do understand there is a time and place where it is appropriate and a place when it is just childish. We can be adults here especially since the OP didn't appear mad or really upset about the topic.

(In the adult world using curse words without purpose only earnes you disrespect, it's not cool nor does it give you any Power. That is a kid's mindset and why teenagers use them like they're a punctuation, they are just ignorant to what they are doing. But as adults we should and do know better. Now if you want to talk about the Demolisher by all means swear up a storm. )

Also here's a little English lesson for everyone. Everyone has the right to be offended by Swear words because the purpose of swear words is to be offensive! They are absolutely attack words meant for times when one wants to express anger or aggression towards a topic or person. So the idea that people need not to be offended is the idea of blaming the victim of feeling attacked when they were attacked.

Swear words are Not just normal adjectives and they do carry a weight of aggression, that is their exact purpose and to deny that shows a lack of understanding of what's the purpose of swear words.

Also here's a little English lesson for everyone. Everyone has the right to be offended by Swear words because the purpose of swear words is to be offensive! They are absolutely attack words meant for times when one wants to express anger or aggression towards a topic or person. So the idea that people need not to be offended is the idea of blaming the victim of feeling attacked when they were attacked.

Swear words are Not just normal adjectives and they do carry a weight of aggression, that is their exact purpose and to deny that shows a lack of understanding of what's the purpose of swear words.

f you're going to use that analysis of language you have to include the evolution of language and the fact that some swear words cease to be swear words through use in the modern lexicon. Example is how god wasn't censored but **** was. This is also exemplified in the push back against not using it since so many people that would be like asking people to not use the word "the".

Yes and No. If you won't use the word to talk to your boss or children then it is still a swear word. Unless you and your boss are complete (wow, I used a-hole in its full form and FFG didn't censor it. But I will here.) there are few swear words you would use.

And again, only immature people use swear words like punctuation or in place of "the" as you put it. Language has not changed that much and only aggressive ***hats believe that nonsense.

Unrelated, but I'm just going to point out that swearing can be cultural or a reflection of different 'dialects' (for lack of a better term).

As much as we joke about it as a stereotype, Australians and New Zealanders do swear far more than say Americans. In the context of our usage of English swear words are not as indicative of aggression, rather they're used to colour language (though they obviously still contextually hold that usage - it's just not inherent!).

I understand it probably wasn't something that even crossed your mind when you were writing, but as someone from a country that does use swearing as an extra adjective it was mildly annoying to have our variant of English painted as what only immature ***hats would use.

Beatty, strong argument, but since when has *** been a swear word?

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Okay that's enough. You all want to go argue the finer points of the English language, go start a thread on it, but don't hijack the OP's thread and divert it into this inane argument.

As for the Arquitens I knew about it being in the Clone Wars mostly because I adore the design of it so much. Repurposing them also makes a ton of sense. However they aren't exactly the same model, there are slight discrepancies.

Okay that's enough. You all want to go argue the finer points of the English language, go start a thread on it, but don't hijack the OP's thread and divert it into this inane argument.

As for the Arquitens I knew about it being in the Clone Wars mostly because I adore the design of it so much. Repurposing them also makes a ton of sense. However they aren't exactly the same model, there are slight discrepancies.

Inane argument about the finer points of English language? One person trying to censor / force others into his views because he believes in fairy tales, and another brow beating people by saying only immature people swear.

But by all means attack the people saying "sorry you're wrong." to them both.

If Mr oh so thick skinned had kept his views to himself, this convo would not have devolved the way it has done.

Hammerheads have shown up in Rogue One, I wonder if the ARQs will as well. I was similarly surprised at the beginning of Rebels to see the Gozanti, of all bit civilian transports, become the Imperial de-facto small cruiser for the Empire. I'm still happy to see them being added to the Imperial Navy.

Though a small part of me is wondering now if we'll see Republic ARQs in Rebel service. Peltas were re-purposed for the Rebellion when they started off as Republic medical ships.

You know I am really shocked by the reaction of some of you Guys. I showed respect asked nicely and didn't call anyone names or even respond in a rude manner and so many of you are attacking me and others back on an individual basis. My tween daughters read these forums and asked me why someone would use the GD words and so I asked a small favor to not use it anymore since it keeps coming up in threads. That makes me some kind of rude Offensive member?? I don't get you guys we share a love of a game but some of you decided that you feel the need to make personal attacks. I'm guessing this isn't the forum I thought it was.

Alot of you are some outstanding guys but some of you others make me realize why I don't play at my local flgs.

I guess all I can say is sorry I offended some of you guys I thought we were in the friendship tree and could be honest if something bothered someone. I can tell I was wrong.

The problem you have is that you have tried to enforce local cultural norms onto a worldwide group. To some, what you have done is incredibky rude. Cultures are all different around the world.

Dont worry, your local friendly gaming store has local players who share your cultural values.

The other main issue with this thread is, I have no idea what the opening post is about.

You know I am really shocked by the reaction of some of you Guys. I showed respect asked nicely and didn't call anyone names or even respond in a rude manner and so many of you are attacking me and others back on an individual basis. My tween daughters read these forums and asked me why someone would use the GD words and so I asked a small favor to not use it anymore since it keeps coming up in threads. That makes me some kind of rude Offensive member?? I don't get you guys we share a love of a game but some of you decided that you feel the need to make personal attacks. I'm guessing this isn't the forum I thought it was.

Alot of you are some outstanding guys but some of you others make me realize why I don't play at my local flgs.

I guess all I can say is sorry I offended some of you guys, and guess i will find another forum to hang out at.

Personally, I'm sorry that there have been any personal attacks on you or anyone else on these forums. I generally find then to be a relative haven of sensible and respectful interaction over plastic spaceships and a nice place to visit.

These are just my thoughts, and I'm not dictating to anyone how to think or act.

Coexisting in both virtual and physical spaces requires that we come to a broad consensus on what is reasonable behaviour. No matter what, there will always be people at the either end of that bell-curve who do not feel that consensus (spoken or unspoken) is appropriate. This will change depending on the issue and will change over time as social values change.

These forums already have auto-moderation that censors a set of words. Some of the choices seem bizarre but there's no arguing with the computer so we just work with it.

You've made a request that others in this space stop using a certain phrase, and you did it politely. I understand why you're asking, even though it would never have occurred to me that anyone I interact with might actually find that offensive. It's perfectly reasonable to make a request for people to change behaviour but it's also perfectly reasonable for someone to refuse that request.

'GD' might be offensive to you based on your beliefs but for me, and I imagine a significant portion of society, it's a meaningless expression devoid of any religious context. For me, there's no "God" in 'GD'. The same as I might use "mother***er" casually to imagine that I'm somehow as cool as Samuel L. Jackson (spoiler: I'm not). In the kind of culture I think that we live in based on the media I consume (Mostly Netflix series) 'GD' is not considered something worth a second thought.

I'm not making the argument that because I've not thought about it that therefore it's not offensive.

We're not using race, or gender, or sexualities as a casual slur. There were words I heard adults use, when I was growing up, that I realise later on are either slurs or derivative of racial slurs. I came across one of these in my lexicon only this week. When I discover one that I thought was innocent and realise it has a link to a racial slur I expunge it from my vocabulary. I don't want to accidentally peddle hate. Race, gender, sexuality are immutable parts of who someone is.

However if you ask someone not to use language that you find offensive to your beliefs, that's a harder sell, especially if that phrase is common and (I suspect) in most people's mind not actually linked to those beliefs anyways.

I don't know what your religion is and why you might feel that 'GD' specifically refers your flavour. There are literally thousands of Dead Gods ( http://www.graveyardofthegods.org/deadgods/listofgods.html ). Would it be reasonable to expect everyone on these forums to not say anything that might be taken as a slight as any of these, which were all sincerely held beliefs? Especially if the phrase was not actually an attack on those beliefs but culturally disconnected?

I am sorry that you took offence at a use of language on here. I try not to deliberately offend anyone but accept that I will do accidentally. If I can moderate my behaviour reasonably to avoid offending unnecessarily, I will.

Ultimately, the world has been an extra-poop place this year. In trying to be extra kind in my interaction with people so as to make the world slightly better rather than slightly worse. There's no need for anyone to be rude to anyone. I'm sure we're all nice people.

We've never interracted on here but I'd be sad to see you leave because of this.

Again I'm not telling you what is right or wrong, just my opinion and an attempt at an explanation of why people might use 'GD'.

Again, if anyone wants to carry this on, maybe we could post a link to an off-topic post?

I hope our love of plastic spaceships brings everyone together.

(Now watch all the edits roll in as i discover the typos from writing this on my phone for almost an hour and a half whilst my wife questions why I'm p*ssing around on the internet whilst I should be tidying up)

*Edit: I took so long to reply that others have done too.

You know I am really shocked by the reaction of some of you Guys. I showed respect asked nicely and didn't call anyone names or even respond in a rude manner and so many of you are attacking me and others back on an individual basis. My tween daughters read these forums and asked me why someone would use the GD words and so I asked a small favor to not use it anymore since it keeps coming up in threads. That makes me some kind of rude Offensive member?? I don't get you guys we share a love of a game but some of you decided that you feel the need to make personal attacks. I'm guessing this isn't the forum I thought it was.

Alot of you are some outstanding guys but some of you others make me realize why I don't play at my local flgs.

I guess all I can say is sorry I offended some of you guys I thought we were in the friendship tree and could be honest if something bothered someone. I can tell I was wrong.

I think that part of the problem here, if you'll forgive my saying so, is that your original post didn't come across as polite. There was no engagement with the OP, which must have interested you sufficiently for you to click on it; instead there was an immediate request for a change in language. You also didn't mention your daughters, you simply stated that you personally found the use of the language offensive.

I think that, had you responded to the original topic enthusiastically, and then gently reminded other users that not all readers of the Forum were adults, people would have responded much more positively. Instead, you gave the impression that you were policing the forum, which is immediately going to get people's backs up. As others have pointed out, for many the "GD word" is not particularly offensive due to cultural differences (I as a Brit wouldn't really consider it to be a swear word), and whilst people will happily respect others' linguistic preferences, they are not going to feel particularly happy if someone accuses them of being offensive when they had no intention of offending anyone.

To get back to the topic in question, I think the Arquitens has made it into Armada through Star Wars Rebels, which sits at an interesting point in the timeline of the Franchise between the Clone Wars and the Civil War proper. Because of this, I think you have to look at the ships being flown around it in that series; by the time we meet the crew of the Ghost, the light cruiser sits alongside ISDs (and possibly the odd VSD if memory serves). This suggests to me that we encounter the Arquitens at a point where the larger Clone War era ships have been replaced, yet the smaller ones have yet to be so. As a result, I think it unlikely that we'll see Venators and Acclamators flying alongside ISDs in the Imperial fleet.

I do sometimes wonder, however, whether one of them might make it into the Rebel fleet. We know from X-wing that the Rebels retrofitted Clone War era fighters in the form of the ARC-170, and we also know from the cartoon that they stole a Quasar carrier. It doesn't seem that far-fetched to think that they might take a Venator that the Empire had scuttled or scrapped and repurposed it into a slow but sturdy cruiser of their own.

Poor op. Having their thread derailed into such drivel.

Religious dude simply needs to stop getting offended at mere words. Those yelling at him need to just move on, nobody is helping this situation. Both sides are perhaps in the wrong, though neither will admit it. Let's just talk about space ships and get back to the OP.

Yes. The Arquitens is used in the Clone Wars. I really like the way Rebels is bridging that gap from Clone Wars to Empire eras. And how many appearances there are of ships and characters from the Clone Wars! And even Episode 7. The simple thing such as Ezra finding a cross-hilt lightsaber on Malachor, similar to Kylo Ren's. And isn't the Malachor Incident an EU/Old Republic thing? I thought it was cool how it was included in Rebels! I'm personally very excited for the release of both the Arquitens and the Pelta. Even though I only play Imperials, I think both look brilliant. I'm hoping the Arquitens can become a real staple long ranged, small ship for my fleets!

Poor op. Having their thread derailed into such drivel.

Religious dude simply needs to stop getting offended at mere words. Those yelling at him need to just move on, nobody is helping this situation. Both sides are perhaps in the wrong, though neither will admit it. Let's just talk about space ships and get back to the OP.

Yes. The Arquitens is used in the Clone Wars. I really like the way Rebels is bridging that gap from Clone Wars to Empire eras. And how many appearances there are of ships and characters from the Clone Wars! And even Episode 7. The simple thing such as Ezra finding a cross-hilt lightsaber on Malachor, similar to Kylo Ren's. And isn't the Malachor Incident an EU/Old Republic thing? I thought it was cool how it was included in Rebels! I'm personally very excited for the release of both the Arquitens and the Pelta. Even though I only play Imperials, I think both look brilliant. I'm hoping the Arquitens can become a real staple long ranged, small ship for my fleets!

You do realize Coldhands, who made this thread, easily made the most aggressive post in this thread? Not to mention cross over ships from the CW has been beat to death in the past few months, ever since Wave 5 was announced.

Excuse me for trying to turn this conversation back to spaceships and discussing what I enjoy about the TV show. Next time I'll just follow by example and add fuel to the fire. Thanks.

TheEasternKing, there was no reason to call Fistfullofforce's beliefs "fairy tales". I take it you are an atheist. As a Christian, I (personally) find the atheistic notion to be ridiculous. Yet, I have never found the need to bring that up in the past, nor should I in the future. I will respect your beliefs (not necessarily as concerns Armada ) if you respect mine. If the main reason that Fistsullofforce doesn't want us to use swear words is because of younger audiences, then I agree with him (though he should have mentioned it sooner). I do also agree that swear words do carry a certain weight to them, and it is ridiculous to simply use them as adjectives as teens tend to do. Are we not more mature than them (no offense to any teens on this forum)?

TheEasternKing, there was no reason to call Fistfullofforce's beliefs "fairy tales". I take it you are an atheist. As a Christian, I (personally) find the atheistic notion to be ridiculous. Yet, I have never found the need to bring that up in the past, nor should I in the future. I will respect your beliefs (not necessarily as concerns Armada ) if you respect mine. If the main reason that Fistsullofforce doesn't want us to use swear words is because of younger audiences, then I agree with him (though he should have mentioned it sooner). I do also agree that swear words do carry a certain weight to them, and it is ridiculous to simply use them as adjectives as teens tend to do. Are we not more mature than them (no offense to any teens on this forum)?

Man made religion IS a fairy tale, god may or may not exist, I do not have an opinion on it either way, and if someone chooses to believe there is a god, and they want to worship it, that is fine and dandy with me, if it gives you peace and a sense of purpose, fantastic, the universe is a big lonely place, and human life is pretty insignificant in the grand scheme of things, so I can accept the reasoning that leads people into the concept of an all powerful being that will look after you for eternity if you are a good person, and for others to buy into it.

But man made religion is not about worshiping god, it is about control, money and power, you do not need some other human being to tell you how to worship your chosen god, you do not need another human being to tell you what you can or cannot do, if you are a good person, YOU are a good person, and surely this all powerful and all knowing super entity can see this.

Telling others that the word "god" being used is offensive, is not the actions of A : a good person, B : a person strong in his beliefs, the word "god" existed for a long, long, long time before Christianity came along and high jacked it all, I mean do you really think that this super entity that has the power to create the universe we live inside of, cares if you drink coffee or not? or that you swear or not?, that you will spend eternity in the fires of hell for having sex before marriage? really??? eternal damnation for having sex before you say some words to a priest? human religion is the ultimate conceit.

If you believe, great but don't judge others, don't force others, do not indoctrinate others, a feat beyond all man made religions.

Does anyone remember when this thread was about the Arquitens? Pepperidge Farm remembers.

Nobody's censoring anyone, you can say what you want but at this point people are acting offended at the original dude being offended and perpetuating an argument that has nothing to do with the OP's intent. That's not fair, not fair at all. I think each of us would be equally as ticked off if that happened to one of our threads. I know when I start a thread i'm actually rather eager to see people respond and if this were to happen I would be thoroughly disappointed and irritated.

Regardless this is not the place to be fighting over the validity of curse words or language. This is why you typically don't talk politics or religion amongst strangers because i'm sure if we did this forum would become quite divisive.

Fistfullofforce, dude, you're on the internet amongst a great and diverse group of Star Wars nerds and geeks from all walks of life. I'm sorry you're offended but you have to expect that people, most people, are not going to fall in line with your beliefs that's just the way of the world and you can't force that on others. I'm not saying you are necessarily but you're initial comment did not help. If you're offended just back away from the thread. On the other hand people don't attack him for his beliefs or convictions when it's harmless as "I'm offended by that word". You could've just ignored him and kept the thread going on track. He didnt attack anyone originally so don't attack him.

So come on people lets get back to Star Wars!

Waiting for the mods to lock this thread x.x

TheEasternKing, there was no reason to call Fistfullofforce's beliefs "fairy tales". I take it you are an atheist. As a Christian, I (personally) find the atheistic notion to be ridiculous. Yet, I have never found the need to bring that up in the past, nor should I in the future. I will respect your beliefs (not necessarily as concerns Armada ) if you respect mine. If the main reason that Fistsullofforce doesn't want us to use swear words is because of younger audiences, then I agree with him (though he should have mentioned it sooner). I do also agree that swear words do carry a certain weight to them, and it is ridiculous to simply use them as adjectives as teens tend to do. Are we not more mature than them (no offense to any teens on this forum)?

Man made religion IS a fairy tale, god may or may not exist, I do not have an opinion on it either way, and if someone chooses to believe there is a god, and they want to worship it, that is fine and dandy with me, if it gives you peace and a sense of purpose, fantastic, the universe is a big lonely place, and human life is pretty insignificant in the grand scheme of things, so I can accept the reasoning that leads people into the concept of an all powerful being that will look after you for eternity if you are a good person, and for others to buy into it.

But man made religion is not about worshiping god, it is about control, money and power, you do not need some other human being to tell you how to worship your chosen god, you do not need another human being to tell you what you can or cannot do, if you are a good person, YOU are a good person, and surely this all powerful and all knowing super entity can see this.

Telling others that the word "god" being used is offensive, is not the actions of A : a good person, B : a person strong in his beliefs, the word "god" existed for a long, long, long time before Christianity came along and high jacked it all, I mean do you really think that this super entity that has the power to create the universe we live inside of, cares if you drink coffee or not? or that you swear or not?, that you will spend eternity in the fires of hell for having sex before marriage? really??? eternal damnation for having sex before you say some words to a priest? human religion is the ultimate conceit.

If you believe, great but don't judge others, don't force others, do not indoctrinate others, a feat beyond all man made religions.

Regret to inform: atheism is a man made religion.

To return to the OP, thanks for pointing that out about the Arquitens. I don't follow the TV shows like many around here do.

TheEasternKing, there was no reason to call Fistfullofforce's beliefs "fairy tales". I take it you are an atheist. As a Christian, I (personally) find the atheistic notion to be ridiculous. Yet, I have never found the need to bring that up in the past, nor should I in the future. I will respect your beliefs (not necessarily as concerns Armada ) if you respect mine. If the main reason that Fistsullofforce doesn't want us to use swear words is because of younger audiences, then I agree with him (though he should have mentioned it sooner). I do also agree that swear words do carry a certain weight to them, and it is ridiculous to simply use them as adjectives as teens tend to do. Are we not more mature than them (no offense to any teens on this forum)?

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Regret to inform: atheism is a man made religion.

To return to the OP, thanks for pointing that out about the Arquitens. I don't follow the TV shows like many around here do.

Regret to inform: Atheism does not fit the definition of a religion. And no, not believing in scientifically unprovable things does not constitute a dogma, similar to not playing a boardgame does not count as a hobby.

I agree however that some atheists might compete with religious fervor when it comes to their beliefs.

TheEasternKing, there was no reason to call Fistfullofforce's beliefs "fairy tales". I take it you are an atheist. As a Christian, I (personally) find the atheistic notion to be ridiculous. Yet, I have never found the need to bring that up in the past, nor should I in the future. I will respect your beliefs (not necessarily as concerns Armada ) if you respect mine. If the main reason that Fistsullofforce doesn't want us to use swear words is because of younger audiences, then I agree with him (though he should have mentioned it sooner). I do also agree that swear words do carry a certain weight to them, and it is ridiculous to simply use them as adjectives as teens tend to do. Are we not more mature than them (no offense to any teens on this forum)?

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Regret to inform: atheism is a man made religion.

To return to the OP, thanks for pointing that out about the Arquitens. I don't follow the TV shows like many around here do.

Regret to inform: Atheism does not fit the definition of a religion. And no, not believing in scientifically unprovable things does not constitute a dogma, similar to not playing a boardgame does not count as a hobby.

I agree however that some atheists might compete with religious fervor when it comes to their beliefs.

Regret to inform: Yes it does. It takes the principles of [insert belief system here] and chooses to believe that the belief system is incorrect using the same data that the belief system's adherents use in their choice to believe. I think you may be confusing it with practical unbelief which more closely fits what you are describing.

As to your analogy, you'd be surprised how many people make a hobby of avoiding things .

As to scientifically unprovable, why is it that whenever science tries to disprove God it only strengthens the case that God exists? (I'm referencing the Judeo-Christian God)

This would be an interesting conversation to continue a respectful debate on over beverages of choice sometime.

I'll bow out of the side topic from here so we can get back to talking about plastic spaceships.