So when the Arquitens was first announced and slightly spoiled, I was not supper existed, but as I thought about it more and more the more I started to like it, but I found myself wondering what it would cost points wise and after a lot of thought this is what I came to, but let me show you my train of thought.

So I stared comparing the Arquitens to the Glad lets just look at the ship. so the Arquitesn and the Glad have the same hull, they have the same command and the same engineering so even steven so far. but the Glad I has one more squadron and has a blue die for AA ships with blue die in AA tend to be more expensive. the Glad has a brace where the Arquitens dose not and that is a big deal, the Arquitens gets an extra rediriect and contain, Assuming that none of the extra tokens come from a title or the contain comes from the Damage C.. card. All and all I find the Glad comes out with a higher point cost because of the blue AA one extra Squadron value, and that brace token.

lets talk upgrade slots so this is very much speculation, but we can make an educated guess as to the slots the Arquitens has, for the sake keeping things simple we will in the end assume that both classes of Arquitens has the same upgrade slots: so the Arquitens has a crew, support, defensive retrofit, and turbolasers. in comparison to the glad it trades the weapons team for the defensive retrofit, and the ordnance for turbolasers. I fell that the Arquitens ends up slightly on top in this area just because of the defensive retrofit.

lastly lets talk damage the Glad can do a max damage of 16 to a single target the Arquitens can do a max of 10 putting the glad far ahead we do have to factor in rage, but with a six damage point discrepancy I feel like the glad is still the more expensive ship based on damage output.

lets just quickly compare the Arquitens to a Raider it has one more hull more engineering a higher command can put out one more max damage than the raider I and 2 damage over the raider II, and has substantial rang advantage, almost everything points to the Arquitens being more expressive than the raider.

so at the end of the day I found myself putting the ship what we know in between a raider II and a Glad I and well 8 points separate the glad from the raider and if this is going to be the in between ship lets plop it right between them at 52 points, so what about the more expensive version of the ship, well a raider II is 4 points more than a raider one and a Glad II is 6 more points then the Gald I so lets say the more expensive version of the Arquitens is 5 points more the the cheapest that would put it at 57 points.

so the Arquitens Light Cruiser would cost 52 and its bigger bother would be 57 like the title says this is all just guess work, but it makes seance in my mind, I do not expect everyone to agree with me, but what are your thoughts where will the Arquitens cost be?

....Yeah I can see a Trc Taggeswarm now.

lastly lets talk damage the Glad can do a max damage of 16 to a single target the Arquitens can do a max of 10 putting the glad far ahead we do have to factor in rage, but with a six damage point discrepancy I feel like the glad is still the more expensive ship based on damage output.

You can equate the relative costs of Side Arcs in Comparison.... At least in the sense of these kinds of vacuum'd concepts you're working with:

A Red-Die on each side is worth 10 (Enhanced Armaments)

A Blue-Die on each side is worth 9 (High-Capacity Ion Turbines)

A Black-Die on each side is worth 8 (Rapid Reload).

Ion turbines are 8, are they not?

I did something like this in my head a while back using the CR90A as a starting point. 52-54 is about where I ended up as well.

Ion turbines are 8, are they not?

They are.

Xero- Always worth considering when comparing damage outputs is the range. Your 16 max is all well and good until you realise at medium its suddenly not so hot!

More then a Nebulon but less than a Gladiator. Say 54/58 points?

This discussion reminds me of the speculations we had when trying to price Liberty, and the outrage that subsequed when it was confirmed to be 96 pts for the cheap version. At least, I raged, and I remember Clon raging too.

Anyway, my prediction is that the OP guesstimation, although logically correct, will end up being dramatically incorrect as Arquitens will either be priced like 32 pts or 86.

Yeah its gonna be closer to 60-62 for the cheap one, sure to the cost of red dice.

39 and 45... I hope it comes with blue dice!

It's a light cruiser. I would hope they priced it nearer to the cost of a Gladiator.

Honestly we need more cheap ships for the Empire. I want to run an ImpStar Deuce accompanied by three Arquitens and a slew of fighters.

39 and 45... I hope it comes with blue dice!

The one they showed already comes with red dice. And I doubt they will price it like a CR90. Easy 55-65 points.

It's a light cruiser. I would hope they priced it nearer to the cost of a Gladiator.

Honestly we need more cheap ships for the Empire. I want to run an ImpStar Deuce accompanied by three Arquitens and a slew of fighters.

And I want to fly an x wing

With no brace and only one evade, I have a hard time seeing them being priced in the 60s. Mid to low 50s is about the right spot. Their firepower is actually about on par with the CR90A. The CR90A's dominant arc has 2 red 1 blue, compared to 3 red on the Arquitens. The secondary arc on the CR90A is 1 red 1 blue, compared to 1 red 1 black on the Arquitens. The fact that the Arquitens side arc is the dominant arc is certainly worth a few points, but not double digits. They also have 1 more shield and 1 more hull, but that's deceptive. The evade is the only thing they have to actually reduce incoming damage. Since they only have 1 evade, it will be the first thing locked down by an accuracy. If anything, they will likely prove to be less durable than a CR90. Those double evades on the CR90 do a lot to reduce the amount of damage it takes. Upgrade slots appear to be a moot point since they're the same between the CR90A and the Arquitens from what we can tell. 8-10 points more is the sweet spot.

It's more of an Mc-30 than a cr-90, so low 60's isn't out of the realm of possibilities.

It's more of an Mc-30 than a cr-90, so low 60's isn't out of the realm of possibilities.

I see what you're saying when you compare armaments, but the roles cannot be more different. The CR90A wants to dodge around on the outskirts of the engagement plicking away with red dice. The MC30 is more of an up-close brawler. It has loads of black die, a weapons team, and an ordnance slot. None of that looks likely for the Arquitens. Of the two, the Arquitens as we know it wants to be more like the CR90.

For argument's sake, though, let's use the Scout Frigate as a point of comparison for the possible cost of the Arquitens

Side Armament:

Arquitens- 3 red

MC30- 2 red, 3 black

Number of dice are almost certain to counterbalance the slight range advantage. Using Rapid Reload and Enhanced Armaments as the point references, it would be -24 points for the black dice and +10 points for the added red die. Net difference is -14 points.

Frontal Armament:

Arquitens- 1 red, 1 black

MC30- 1 red, 2 black

One less black die. Using Expanded Armaments as a point reference, it's -6.5 points.

Rear Armament:

Arquitens- 1 red, 1 black

MC30- 1 red, 1 black

Identical

Shields:

Arquitens- 2 all around

MC30- 3 front, 3 side, 2 rear

No real point references to go with, but obviously the Arquitens would be cheaper

Hull Points

Arquitens- 5

MC30- 4

Hey, the Arquitens wins one!

Defense Tokens:

Arquitens- 2 Redirect, 1 Evade, 1 Contain

MC30- 2 Redirect, 2 Evade

Because of the value of duplicate tokens combined with the dubious worth of the contain token, I would argue the Arquitens should be cheaper. I will, however, consider it a wash

Upgrade Slots:

Arquitens- Turbolaser, Defensive Retrofit, Support Team

MC30- Turbolaser, Defensive Retrofit, Ordnance, Weapons Team

No idea what the points cost would be, but obviously the MC30 has more.

That's a total of -20.5 points from things we can quantify and two unknowns (Shields/Upgrade Slots) that are certain to reduce the cost of the Arquitens, and one unknown (Hull) certain to increase the cost. Now I'm obviously not going to sit here and argue the Arquitens is going to be worth 49 points, because that would make a fantastic buy that makes the Raider, the Neb-B, and the CR90A look like hot garbage. The upgrade cards obviously have some inflation to them compared to what FFG determines for a ship's natural armament. However, the differences are still quite significant. Putting the Arquitens in the 60s and valuing it at best as only 9 points less than the Scout Frigate would be badly overpriced.

Since the other Arquitens thread has gotten horribly off-topic, let's bring this one back. Someone argue with me!

I don't think you can compare the MC30 to the Arquitens. They are both very different ships built to work at different ranges. Think if you tried to compare an ISD I to a Liberty. They both function very differently. CR90A vs Arquitens is more comparable.

I think it will be 55-60, as I said before. You also have to factor in how each admiral works with the ship, and any combos with upgrade slots.

Since the other Arquitens thread has gotten horribly off-topic, let's bring this one back. Someone argue with me!

No. I am not going to argue with you. I have no intention of arguing with you. The very fact that the other thread is off-topic is irrelevant, and I state that there is no need to argue with you at all...

56/63

What if he paid for the full five minutes?

If he had Paid, then I would not be here. I would be enjoying a nice cup of coffee on my way to The Sentry Box to *finally* buy myself a Gozanti pack.

You would still be here.

In about 6 Hours, when I got home.

I've been wanting to get a Gozanti, and look at some more fighter packs pre-CC to get started on painting... But I've had unexpected family expenses (like having to replace a Furnace and a Hot Water System) in the past week, and its killed every piece of profit and savings I had...

So yes, if I had been paid today. I'd be mf-ing out of here.

I am expecting right around 60 for the shown variant. I don't know which way they are going with the other variant (reds down to blues or blacks up to blues) to guess the other version's costs.