TL or SD on the Baron in this Meta

By GreeneScale, in X-Wing

What do you guys think is the most competitive version of good ol' Soonty?

Push the Limit (stapled), Royal Guard Tie, Stealth Device(Switch for Targetting Computer if you want to kill x7 Defenders), Autothrusters.

And most importantly, Papa Palpatine cupping his balls(dice).

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Stealth Device if you are looking for a tankier Soontir. Its great until it fails. Targeting Computer is for pushing more damage.

The real difference? If you are NOT using Boost or Barrel Roll:

SD = Focus, Evade, Focus (Stress)

TC = Evade, Target Lock, Focus (Stress)

In this meta I would go for SD. The prevelance of defenders and lack of top tier alphastrike lists has pushed 2+ TLT into the meta again, making thrusters ships sooo good.
The extra agility goes a long way to keep you alive, because even with focusx2, evade and thrusters, you will break down to the amount of dice at some point if you have 3 agility.
Yes I know you have to get into range 1 as an ace of the TLT, but you have to get there first! ;)

Think of it this way: There will be some matches where you do NOT want to TL your enemy (too much fire on you, manaroo, black one x-wings etc.), but there will be NO matches where you do not want the extra agility. Especially with palpatine!

In the end though I think it depends on your list. A defensive (SD) baron needs an offensive counterpart to push some damage through.

Hate to give the cop-out answer, but it depends on the rest of the list. If you've got something that can bring the pain against Defenders and the like, then defensive Soontir is the way to go. If you don't? Yeah, you want Targeting Computer to punch through the other tanks out there.

That said, if you're flying TC Soontir . . . it might honestly be better just to go with the Inquisitor with some prockets.

So how about this list?

Soontir Fel

PtL

Autothrusters

TC/SD

R. Guard Tie

Whisper

ACD

Intel agent or no if SD

FCS

VI

Omega Leader

Juke

Comms Relay

The thing about this game is that green dice don't kill things. Red dice do. Making the hardest to hit ship even harder is throwing away points that you could be putting into better killing power.

IMO, if the ship is 30+ points, it is not allowed to blank an attack roll.

The thing about this game is that green dice don't kill things. Red dice do. Making the hardest to hit ship even harder is throwing away points that you could be putting into better killing power.

IMO, if the ship is 30+ points, it is not allowed to blank an attack roll.

Strange thought for Soontir Fel. He still have multiple focus anyway

So how about this list?

Soontir Fel

PtL

Autothrusters

TC/SD

R. Guard Tie

Whisper

ACD

Intel agent or no if SD

FCS

VI

Omega Leader

Juke

Comms Relay

Soontir wants to move last, while Whisper wants to shoot first, so they work at cross purposes here. Maybe run Turr Fennir instead of Fel here, or swap Whisper for a different ace.

I think its hilarious that my first thought when I read the title of this post was Baron of the Empire in the TAP and not Soontir.

A friend of mine flat out refuses to use SD on the Baron anymore.

Anytime he does, it can be guaranteed that some flukey R3 shot will disable it. EVEN with AT and tokens.

TL requires a shade more finesse to stay in the game until late, but the locks pay dividends for cold dice.

Honestly...

Not the Baron at all in this meta. For the same price point you get a Defender which hits harder if you want it to, is more resistant to stress control, and most importantly, doesn't crumple like a wet paper towel when the green dice inevitably fail you or you take autodamage.

So how about this list?

Soontir Fel

PtL

Autothrusters

TC/SD

R. Guard Tie

Whisper

ACD

Intel agent or no if SD

FCS

VI

Omega Leader

Juke

Comms Relay

Soontir wants to move last, while Whisper wants to shoot first, so they work at cross purposes here. Maybe run Turr Fennir instead of Fel here, or swap Whisper for a different ace.

Nah, I like the idea of 100 pts whisper and fel. For the ps 9 matchups, you get good value from the 2-3 points you would have used for a bid to beef up the list and still be sure you get either whisper or soontir doing his thing right.