leebo text:

When you are dealt a faceup Damage card, draw 1 additional Damage card, choose 1 to resolve, and discard the other.

Steele text:

When your attack deals a faceup Damage card to the defender, instead draw 3 Damage cards, choose 1 to deal, and discard the others.


Question 1:

Is the trigger for both of these abilities "a faceup damage card being dealt"

Question 2:

Does initiative determine whose ability goes first? or does Steele always go first (if Steele goes first please let me know how this works in the case of the timing chart as both seem to happen at step 7 iv)

The FAQ Entry for Leebo clarifies this:

The FAQ Entry for Leebo clarifies this:

if Maarek stele deals “Leebo” a faceup

damage card, “Leebo” may still use his ability

to draw an additional Damage card. He then

chooses to resolve either the Damage card

chosen by Maarek stele or the additional card

and discards the unchosen card. “Leebo’s”

ability cannot trigger from a Damage card

being flipped faceup.

if “Leebo” is equipped with Determination, he

may draw two Damage cards. if one has the

Pilot trait, he may choose it and immediately

discard it.

no it doesnt. it clarifies what happens if Steele goes first, it doesnt clarify that Steele's ability ALWAYS resolves first.

The FAQ Entry for Leebo clarifies this:

if Maarek stele deals “Leebo” a faceup

damage card, “Leebo” may still use his ability

to draw an additional Damage card. He then

chooses to resolve either the Damage card

chosen by Maarek stele or the additional card

and discards the unchosen card. “Leebo’s”

ability cannot trigger from a Damage card

being flipped faceup.

if “Leebo” is equipped with Determination, he

may draw two Damage cards. if one has the

Pilot trait, he may choose it and immediately

discard it.

no it doesnt. it clarifies what happens if Steele goes first, it doesnt clarify that Steele's ability ALWAYS resolves first.

No.

It clarifies what happens in all cases; it makes no mention of initiative.

I suspect it probably should, but as written, it doesn't, so that's how it resolves regardless of init.

So Steele, regardles of init always gets the first 3 and leebo gets the 4th?

So Steele, regardles of init always gets the first 3 and leebo gets the 4th?

That's how I read it, yeah. Well, Steele chooses one from 3, then Leebo gets that one and the next one on the deck and takes the one he prefers.

And then Maarek chooses 1 of his 3, and Leebo has 1, and then leebo chooses between those remaining 2.... Maarek's 1, and their 1...

So Steele, regardles of init always gets the first 3 and leebo gets the 4th?

That's how I read it, yeah. Well, Steele chooses one from 3, then Leebo gets that one and the next one on the deck and takes the one he prefers.

which leads me to, where does steele's ability fit in the timing chart?

Both abilities take place in step 7.iv.

I do think init should matter though. It could for instance be:

Steele has init. Steele draws three, gives Leebo one, Leebo draws another, chooses one.

Leebo has init. Leebo draws two, chooses one, Steele... either replaces it with his choice from 3, or draws two more to add to it and chooses one. Not sure which makes more sense. This is why I think on balance that the way in the FAQ is the best resolution, not because it's perfectly correct, but because it's *simpler*.

Stele always triggers before Leebo, regardless of initiative.

Stele's ability happens when dealing damage cards, Leebo's happens when he has been dealt a card. You need to deal a card before it is dealt.

Stele always triggers before Leebo, regardless of initiative.

Stele's ability happens when dealing damage cards, Leebo's happens when he has been dealt a card. You need to deal a card before it is dealt.

"When your attack deals" and "when you are dealt" is literally the exact same thing. It falls under the exact same step. And its ok to say because reasons in the FAQ, but they both are the same and SHOULD fall under initiative.

No, initiative doesn't need to be applied in this scenario. Leebo has to wait for Stele's choice before triggering. Once Stele has chosen the 1 of 3, then Leebo draws another and chooses which one to keep. There's no timing conflict here. Stele can't trigger AFTER Leebo.

Stele always triggers before Leebo, regardless of initiative.

Stele's ability happens when dealing damage cards, Leebo's happens when he has been dealt a card. You need to deal a card before it is dealt.

"When your attack deals" and "when you are dealt" is literally the exact same thing. It falls under the exact same step. And its ok to say because reasons in the FAQ, but they both are the same and SHOULD fall under initiative.

One of those things has to occur before the other. Instructions for what to do when dealing have to be processed before instructions on what to do when you receive a card that has been dealt.

Look at the full wording of the cards:

Maarek:

"When your attack deals a faceup Damage card to the defender, instead draw 3 Damage cards, choose 1 to deal, and discard the others."

Leebo:

"When you are dealt a faceup Damage card, draw 1 additional Damage card, choose 1 to resolve, and discard the other."

Maarek's ability very clearly instructs you to draw three and then deal one of the three. Leebo does not trigger until a card has been dealt. For Leebo to be the inverse of Maarek and share the same timing, he would need to be worded like:

"When defending against an attack that deals a faceup Damage card, instead draw 2 Damage cards, choose 1 to deal, and discard the others."

Stele always triggers before Leebo, regardless of initiative.

Stele's ability happens when dealing damage cards, Leebo's happens when he has been dealt a card. You need to deal a card before it is dealt.

"When your attack deals" and "when you are dealt" is literally the exact same thing. It falls under the exact same step. And its ok to say because reasons in the FAQ, but they both are the same and SHOULD fall under initiative.

"deals" is present tense(when it happens) and "dealt" is past tense(after it happens). They are literally not the same time.

Dealt can be used in the present tense. I'd go into more detail but I'm playing poker tonight and the next hand is being dealt now.

Dealt can be used in the present tense. I'd go into more detail but I'm playing poker tonight and the next hand is being dealt now.

If you want to really go into it, that's more like the present perfect progressive tense.

Dealt can be used in the present tense. I'd go into more detail but I'm playing poker tonight and the next hand is being dealt now.

I'm glad that I'm a native English speaker. I'd hate to have had to learn exactly which tense that string of verbs you used is. I'm pretty sure that there is a past-participle in there somewhere.

Of course this discussion is moot because as thespaceinvader posted ING the first reply to this topic: the faq already has a ruling in place.

leebo text:

When you are dealt a faceup Damage card, draw 1 additional Damage card, choose 1 to resolve, and discard the other.

Steele text:

When your attack deals a faceup Damage card to the defender, instead draw 3 Damage cards, choose 1 to deal, and discard the others.

Either Steele will go first or he would not trigger at all. Just look at these text supplied by the op; if Leebo goes first then he gets to pick which one RESOLVES. After the card is resolved it wouldn't make any sense to allow Steele to go and change what card is dealt because it is already on the ship.

The FAQ directly addressed that concern.

I'll also point out that if Steele's attack would deal two face-up cards then each of those cards would be completely resolved as separate instances. Steele would look at 3 cards and pick which one to deal while discarding the rest; Leebo would then pick up the next and decide which one to keep and which one to toss after which the entire process is repeated for the second face-up card. This means that 2 face-up cards would mill through 8 cards in the DD which is generally insignificant unless you actually have some way of utilizing a better knowledge of a DD's card composition.

The way i see it is Leebo specifically says "additional" indicating he always goes last. If it said draw 2 pick one discard the other instead of being dealt a faceup card, it would have issues, but it reas like you are given one but before resolving it grab a second and pick.

Maarek pops in before you get the first card to trigger the second draw.

Steele's ability uses the magic keyword "instead". This means that the deamage card is not actually dealt yet and does not trigger Leebo's ability. Steele draws three, picks one, deals it to Leebo. At this point Leebo's ability triggers allowing him to draw an additional card, pick one and discard the other.

This means that Leebo works against Kylo Ren's condition card as well.

This means that Leebo works against Kylo Ren's condition card as well.

Yep. When IWSYTDS triggers, she gets dealt the card he chose, then she draws another and chooses which she takes, and discards the one she doesn't want.

The *really* complex interaction with Kylo is Steele, not Leebo. When Steele crits someone with IWSYTDS, it's not remotely clear what happens; I think it needs FAQing as it could be ruled any of at least 3 ways legitimately.

True, that was discussed here: https://community.fantasyflightgames.com/topic/233331-maarek-stele-and-kylo-ren/page-2

Although, Leebo is a counter for both, Maarek and Kylo, I do not see it in competitive play...

I think that this interaction (Mareek, Kylo and Leebo) is probably the only way of getting out of cards in the damage deck during a game (to deal 5 dmg, you will pick up 20 cards or more if Kylo is there as well).