What are the cyphers from L5R in Gamers: Hand of Fate?

By Tyrrell, in Legend of the Five Rings: The Card Game

I just watched Gamers 3 on Youtube and it clearly drew on L5R for their pretend card game, (but, clearly they needed something that would fit their story). I haven't played the CCG since 1999 when I moved away from the amazing players in Madison WI, and I've only followed the game on occasion since then. (Arrgh, I just realized that the huge pile of koku that I have tucked away in a basement closet can never be redeemed).

Are the time shifted world war two soldiers a commentary on the Unicorn?

The undead faction were more or less the shadowlands/ spider clan?

Questing in the movie was was analogous to enlightenment victory but its mechanics looked like honor victory?

Was the dislike of the legacy group similar to a sort of fan dislike of the spider faction (that was all after my time but I've perused some message boards every few years because I really loved the game back in the day and I was also facebook friends with John Goodenough who posted on the game every so often.)

I suspect that there were other L5R ties that I missed. What were they?

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AEG actually made that card game a reality too. Not sure how available it is anymore

https://www.alderac.com/r9e/

AEG actually made that card game a reality too. Not sure how available it is anymore

https://www.alderac.com/r9e/

OK I certainly missed that, thanks.

The game R7K itself doesn't translate to L5R, though it's player-base does.

Was the dislike of the legacy group similar to a sort of fan dislike of the spider faction (that was all after my time but I've perused some message boards every few years because I really loved the game back in the day and I was also facebook friends with John Goodenough who posted on the game every so often.)

I likely think this was based off when a single deck would run rampant dominating the tournament scene and the only stop to it was a errata/banning. But for the life of me I can't possibly think of any time that happened with L5R.

I likely think this was based off when a single deck would run rampant dominating the tournament scene and the only stop to it was a errata/banning. But for the life of me I can't possibly think of any time that happened with L5R.

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Was the dislike of the legacy group similar to a sort of fan dislike of the spider faction (that was all after my time but I've perused some message boards every few years because I really loved the game back in the day and I was also facebook friends with John Goodenough who posted on the game every so often.)

I likely think this was based off when a single deck would run rampant dominating the tournament scene and the only stop to it was a errata/banning. But for the life of me I can't possibly think of any time that happened with L5R.

Off the top of my head, yes, there was Kalani's Landing, but before that, there was the Spirit deck, the Khol Wall deck, adn what I remember as the most broken L5R CCG deck ever, the FETA deck, all of these resulted in errata/ban.

I think there were others as well, but right now, I can't remember any more of them.

Warrens of the One Tribe

Broken Shinbone. I ran that deck and even I will say it was broken.

I just watched Gamers 3 on Youtube and it clearly drew on L5R for their pretend card game

It was actually based more on Legend of the Burning Sands than L5R. Even the game they released had a LBS feel to it.

I recall when Chags was crushing the Kotei season

Broken Shinbone. I ran that deck and even I will say it was broken.

Broken Shinbone: The Tribe So Broken It Was Better At Honor Than The Crane.

The folks who make The Gamers are/were long time fans of L5R. If you go through the various movies, you’ll find there is always at least one piece of L5R material featured in the game store spots, usually more than one, and at least one of them—I think Dorkness Rising—has an actual shout-out to the Crab Clan in the closing credits.

I just watched Gamers 3 on Youtube and it clearly drew on L5R for their pretend card game, (but, clearly they needed something that would fit their story). I haven't played the CCG since 1999 when I moved away from the amazing players in Madison WI, and I've only followed the game on occasion since then. (Arrgh, I just realized that the huge pile of koku that I have tucked away in a basement closet can never be redeemed).

Believe me you have no idea how much Koku can be just “sitting around” because there’s no purpose for it any longer. Lol

Are the time shifted world war two soldiers a commentary on the Unicorn?

Possibly, though they are just as likely a reference to the Mantis or Dragon as outsiders the rest just don’t understand how they belong in the game.

That was my reading of the context.

The undead faction were more or less the shadowlands/ spider clan?

Questing in the movie was was analogous to enlightenment victory but its mechanics looked like honor victory?

I was thinking it was between the two because in my experience, when attempting to achieve enlightenment, you often crossed honor.

Was the dislike of the legacy group similar to a sort of fan dislike of the spider faction (that was all after my time but I've perused some message boards every few years because I really loved the game back in the day and I was also facebook friends with John Goodenough who posted on the game every so often.)

No.

The Spider animosity was captured in the LARP scene when everyone was complaining that the ‘kid’s’ (i.e. younger/newer players) actions had somehow disrupted the entire system enough to drive some folks away and make the entire setup vulnerable to the Legacy’s actions—I looked at it as a loose analogy to many of the complaints about the Spider as a Great Clan by their leader becoming a God that drove some folks away from the game. You’ll notice, the players were not happy with the decisions, but still accepted the players into the LARP debate, much like many folks who did not like the Spider Clan bit still accepted that Spider players were active and dedicated members of the game world.

The way I saw the movie was The Legacy is a deliberate ‘riff’ on the Dynasty boys. Dynasty traditionally showed little to no clan loyalty in comparison to loyalty to the Dynasty; they often were willing to work in concert deliberately to make decisions fit the way the Dynasty wanted something over story cohesion or logic; and, of course, there was even a movement by several of them to create a “money tournament” system for L5R (which failed, I believe).

I suspect that there were other L5R ties that I missed. What were they?

The compromise ending where the two sides elected to choose the guy’s ruler in order to maintain questing is somewhat an analogy to the ending of the original Second Day of Thunder when the players decided they wanted to keep the “real” system over KYD and the Lion/Crane folks compromised on who got the last shot and who got to survive to be Emperor while mutually overcoming the “bad guys.”

I also recognized the line at the end of the tournament—when the Legacy guy admits it was the best game he’d had in years—as reflective of the fact that a lot of the folks who made fun of the clan loyalty folks over the years often appreciated the dedication the clan loyal folks demonstrated.

And, of course, it captured the idea that even the folks trying to change the game really did love the game.

Edited by Azamiko