I had a thought I wanted to confirm with those here on the rules forum. If one manages to get the miracle of placing backdraft next to a large base ship such that both arcs are on it, you should be able to shoot it out of both arcs and add a critical result to each attack, correct?
When attacking a ship in your auxiliary arc, you may add one [kaboom] result.
No. Backdraft's pilot ability only applies to the rear Auxiliary arc.
No. Backdraft's pilot ability only applies to the rear Auxiliary arc.
But if you are next to a large base ship such that you have both arcs on it why would shooting with the front not satisfy 'attacking a ship in your auxiliary arc'?
I do believe you are correct. Backdraft's ability reads:
When attacking a ship inside your auxillary firing arc, you may add 1 [critical] result.
Nowhere does it say you must be attacking from that auxillary firing arc. You'd pull this off one game in 50, but yeah, I think you would actually get the bonus critical on both shots.
Edited by DR4COIt's an interesting point. Maybe I should have given it more thought. I was thinking of the only applicable arc being the one you're firing out of at the moment, but Backdraft doesn't specify.
Huh, RAW I guess you are correct? I've managed to pull this placement off once with Quickdraw and it was pretty sweet.
I had a thought I wanted to confirm with those here on the rules forum. If one manages to get the miracle of placing backdraft next to a large base ship such that both arcs are on it, you should be able to shoot it out of both arcs and add a critical result to each attack, correct?
When attacking a ship in your auxiliary arc, you may add one [kaboom] result.
Yup, seems correct.
I do believe you are correct. Backdraft's ability reads:
When attacking a ship inside your auxillary firing arc, you may add 1 [critical] result.
Nowhere does it say you must be attacking from that auxillary firing arc. You'd pull this off one game in 50, but yeah, I think you would actually get the bonus critical on both shots.
1 in 50 is probably an overestimate. This is *REALLY* tricky to pull off against a large ship. Easier against a Huge one though.
Send this question to FFG and then standby for disappointment. It's pretty clear that you've got to be attacking the ship in your auxiliary arc using your auxiliary arc, and I'd bet that's the way FFG would intend it to go.
Just sayin'.
Bit of an oversight for them to use "in" instead of "from" on the card text!
Edit: I agree with you that it will likely be ruled that only the shot from the rear arc adds a crit. I've sent a rules question for final clarity though and will update this thread when/if I hear back
Yes, Backdraft would add the crit as it is written. It is exactly like having Tactician or not triggering Authotruster because the ship touch your firing arc but shooting outside of it with a 360 weapon. (Because you are closer outside the arc)
Secondary weapon let you shoot from the primary arc. This is why you can't shout at a ship in the auxiliary arc, even if he is also touching your primary.
Call it rule lawering, but if Tactician work this have to work.
Secondary weapon let you shoot from the primary arc. This is why you can't shout at a ship in the auxiliary arc, even if he is also touching your primary.
Sorry but I have no idea what you are trying to say here. Most secondary weapons are primary arc only and it doesn't matter if a ship is in the auxiliary arc or not, if it is touching (also known as "in") your primary arc you can shoot it with any weapon that can fire at the range the ship is in arc.
Also I agree that as written, Backdraft's ability will add a crit to both shots (assuming you have the autoadd title equipped) but I will add this - Good luck with actually pulling this off.
Hmm, technically that is correct.
Doubt it'll ever happen since that is a very, very precise position to get that lol
Bit of an oversight for them to use "in" instead of "from" on the card text!
Edit: I agree with you that it will likely be ruled that only the shot from the rear arc adds a crit. I've sent a rules question for final clarity though and will update this thread when/if I hear back
A bit of a resurrection, but did you ever hear back about this?
Unfortunately not, and it never came up in the FAQ either. Wonder if it's worth resubmitting.
No worth to be in an FAQ, this is too rare of a possibility that it will never be a game changer. They probably give zero "*****"
Unfortunately not, and it never came up in the FAQ either. Wonder if it's worth resubmitting.
It's worth resubmitting, just for the sake of getting the "right" answer.
Have done so will hopefully hear back soon. It's a really interesting rules interaction
Send this question to FFG and then standby for disappointment. It's pretty clear that you've got to be attacking the ship in your auxiliary arc using your auxiliary arc, and I'd bet that's the way FFG would intend it to go.
Just sayin'.
Yup! I'd play it like this, it's how it was meant. If I were in a tournament I would fight you on it all day! Casual play I'd let it happen cause that's just cool!
No worth to be in an FAQ, this is too rare of a possibility that it will never be a game changer. They probably give zero "*****"
Well considering that there is a FAQ entry around the interaction between Fel's Wrath and Coran Horn which has probably never happened ever, the fact that this is something that you might actually be able to engineer with an astute barrel roll certainly makes it potentially worthy of an FAQ.
Having said that its pretty clear that with the current wording you would get the effect from both shots, you only have to be able to see the targeted ship with your aux arc to trigger the effect. It does not say that you have to be shooting FROM your aux arc to get the effect.
Send this question to FFG and then standby for disappointment. It's pretty clear that you've got to be attacking the ship in your auxiliary arc using your auxiliary arc, and I'd bet that's the way FFG would intend it to go.
Just sayin'.
Yup! I'd play it like this, it's how it was meant. If I were in a tournament I would fight you on it all day!
And as written, you'd be wrong to do so, and I'd very much hope that the judge called in to adjudicate would read the card, not what you wish was written on it.
Yeah I'm afraid this one is very clear Rules as Written, regardless of perceived intent.
There's even precedent to back it up
Yeah I'm afraid this one is very clear Rules as Written, regardless of perceived intent.
There's even precedent to back it up
The point is, it's not that clear. Although it doesn't say you must be making the attack in your auxiliary arc, I believe that's the intent, and FFG generally rule in favour of their intent on how a card is designed. I'm not denying that as written it works in both arcs given the right conditions, but don't be surprised if this gets clarified in the next FAQ to be an auxiliary arc attack only that triggers the ability.
I think if the intent was to allow both arcs, then it would be worded along the lines of:
" When attacking, if the defender is in your auxiliary arc, you may add 1 <crit> result. "
You are aware that if they "fix" backdraft as you ask, they will have to fix stuff like Autothruster and Tactician to not work anymore if they touch your Arc but you attack them outside your arc with a 360 attack.
They are the same situation, you attack a ship inside your arc, but from oustide of it.