Well, I agree with you: it is not overpowered in a certain way.

I don't think this will be a key card to win tournaments. You can fight it very well, if you have got the right ships. Imperial ships for example.

The problem with this card is, that it will make a lot of nice lists and ships unplayable (again).

A lot of rebel ship won't be useful anymore, a lot of aces can't be played anymore.

Let's talk about Poe for example: Of course you could still play Poe by using the determination eliteskill.

But as soon as you have got it, you won't be using it, because Kylo won't use his ability on Poe anymore, because he knows that he has got this skill.

Poe is getting worse meanwhile, because he can't use his eliteskill for a good ability like Push the Limit or VI.

So what happens? Players are not going to use Poe in the first place. Why would they skill play an X-Wing without a real eliteskill? That doesn't make sense. It's more logic to use Imperial ships then.

I see your logic and thought process trying to see the future mats with Kylo being placed on ships and how it will effect opposing ships, especially the ones you like to fly; which we can safely assume is Poe in his tricked out T-70.

I am just getting to where I can fly Aces a bit better than just above bad, and I had/have the same irritation and vitriol in regards to Black Market Slicers. I see it as a terrible move by FFG to retard or destroy the single most awesome thing X-Wing has, Ace pilots flying small fighters. I still fume under my t-shirt collar when I think about the brooding designers in a smoky room coming up with schemes to break the heart of the game (this is a nightmare scenario and I'm quite sure the designers do not plan in such ways or for such a thing)

We'll just have to wait and see how these cards play out against our beloved pilots. Let's hope our doomsday warnings are mere cries with no reality.............hope my friend, hope.

I don't understand why this is a Rebel-only issue? Do Scum and Imperial factions not have high PS pilots, or pilots that like to attack?

Fear is the path to the dark side.

Imperial and scum aces typically have a high enough agility to at least have a chance to dodge the crit. Rebel aces tend to be ships that just take the hit and regen later so Kylo really is death. I play every faction but lean towards rebels and if Kylo works like we think he will then rebels will be screwed.

Just channel your undertale. Problem solved.

Oh c'mon, that is not 1 point crew which works whenever your opponent rolled any symbole on his green Dice, which you may put on most of currently used ships in a faction.. in fact, to use kylo u need to have a special vehicle for him. decimator goes down quickly to Focus fire while other ships would do that even quicker.

But Blount sometimes got an even better crit on Corran or an Awing - Direct Hit!

It's so much more powerful, if you can actually choose the crit you want to put on your enemy.

But Kylo does much more than that.

Also, Integrated Astromech laughs at this and so does Determination.

Determination is a 1 point card that completely negates Kylo Ren and his ability.

These cards do offer a one-time protection from Kylo's card dealing ability, but I just don't fly against Rebel Aces that sport these. Is there good Rebel Ace builds for Coran, Wedge or Poe that can use these cards? ...or are do these cards actually "damage" the potential play-ability and output of our Rebel ships before a shot is even fired? If so, Kylo can not only use his great combat ability, but weaken ships for his other squad members even if he never uses that ability, right?

Well, I agree with you: it is not overpowered in a certain way.

I don't think this will be a key card to win tournaments. You can fight it very well, if you have got the right ships. Imperial ships for example.

The problem with this card is, that it will make a lot of nice lists and ships unplayable (again).

A lot of rebel ship won't be useful anymore, a lot of aces can't be played anymore.

Let's talk about Poe for example: Of course you could still play Poe by using the determination eliteskill.

But as soon as you have got it, you won't be using it, because Kylo won't use his ability on Poe anymore, because he knows that he has got this skill.

Poe is getting worse meanwhile, because he can't use his eliteskill for a good ability like Push the Limit or VI.

So what happens? Players are not going to use Poe in the first place. Why would they skill play an X-Wing without a real eliteskill? That doesn't make sense. It's more logic to use Imperial ships then.

Kylo crew is a card that requires taking an action to use and will typically be on a low agility ship. Rebels have the strongest stress dealing abilities. They'll be fine.

Blount with Advanced Homing Missiles has been dealing crits easier than this and it hasn't broken the game. His attack doesn't even have to hit but due to his ability it does anyway.

Comparing a 4 health zwing dependent on one missle at range 2 and and high health turret with gunner and engine upgrade are 2 totally different stories.

But Blount sometimes got an even better crit on Corran or an Awing - Direct Hit!

It's so much more powerful, if you can actually choose the crit you want to put on your enemy.

But Kylo does much more than that.

Also, Integrated Astromech laughs at this and so does Determination.

Determination is a 1 point card that completely negates Kylo Ren and his ability.

These cards do offer a one-time protection from Kylo's card dealing ability, but I just don't fly against Rebel Aces that sport these. Is there good Rebel Ace builds for Coran, Wedge or Poe that can use these cards? ...or are do these cards actually "damage" the potential play-ability and output of our Rebel ships before a shot is even fired? If so, Kylo can not only use his great combat ability, but weaken ships for his other squad members even if he never uses that ability, right?

Determination is EVERY time and not just a 1 time. Integrated Astromech is 1 time but both offer some relief from Kylo Ren.

Determination is an EPT so it can go on Corran, Wedge and Poe.

Well, I agree with you: it is not overpowered in a certain way.

I don't think this will be a key card to win tournaments. You can fight it very well, if you have got the right ships. Imperial ships for example.

The problem with this card is, that it will make a lot of nice lists and ships unplayable (again).

A lot of rebel ship won't be useful anymore, a lot of aces can't be played anymore.

Let's talk about Poe for example: Of course you could still play Poe by using the determination eliteskill.

But as soon as you have got it, you won't be using it, because Kylo won't use his ability on Poe anymore, because he knows that he has got this skill.

Poe is getting worse meanwhile, because he can't use his eliteskill for a good ability like Push the Limit or VI.

So what happens? Players are not going to use Poe in the first place. Why would they skill play an X-Wing without a real eliteskill? That doesn't make sense. It's more logic to use Imperial ships then.

Kylo crew is a card that requires taking an action to use and will typically be on a low agility ship. Rebels have the strongest stress dealing abilities. They'll be fine.

I think it will be mostly played with RAC, rather than low agility ships, but that is still the case - stress will be a problem for him (maybe not in the first exchange, unless getting a piece of trash in the face).

Hopefully Kylo Ren pushes Corran Horn out of the meta

As well as every other 2 hull ship in the game, that isn't behind a token stack/palp defence because of the way crits are removed last one will get through.

I want to be wrong about kylo but his ability is just too powerful and will hate out certain ships even more than they already are

Ace xwings hate hate this as 3 hull and average defense will melt quickly. If you take determination, it will just be placed on your other ship.

But Blount sometimes got an even better crit on Corran or an Awing - Direct Hit!

It's so much more powerful, if you can actually choose the crit you want to put on your enemy.

But Kylo does much more than that.

Also, Integrated Astromech laughs at this and so does Determination.

Determination is a 1 point card that completely negates Kylo Ren and his ability.

These cards do offer a one-time protection from Kylo's card dealing ability, but I just don't fly against Rebel Aces that sport these. Is there good Rebel Ace builds for Coran, Wedge or Poe that can use these cards? ...or are do these cards actually "damage" the potential play-ability and output of our Rebel ships before a shot is even fired? If so, Kylo can not only use his great combat ability, but weaken ships for his other squad members even if he never uses that ability, right?

Determination is EVERY time and not just a 1 time. Integrated Astromech is 1 time but both offer some relief from Kylo Ren.

Determination is an EPT so it can go on Corran, Wedge and Poe.

I will take fighting a Determination Corran, Wedge, and Poe any day of the week. Losing their EPT because of the THREAT of Kylo is a massive advantage to the other team. Especially if they're not actually running Kylo.

I will take fighting a Determination Corran, Wedge, and Poe any day of the week. Losing their EPT because of the THREAT of Kylo is a massive advantage to the other team. Especially if they're not actually running Kylo.

That's the point. The Rebel Team will be much weaker, because they have to spend their Eliteskill for some complete garbage. So they won't be able to fight a lot of other squads anymore, especially if there is NOT a Kylo Ren in them.

Well, I agree with you: it is not overpowered in a certain way.

I don't think this will be a key card to win tournaments. You can fight it very well, if you have got the right ships. Imperial ships for example.

The problem with this card is, that it will make a lot of nice lists and ships unplayable (again).

A lot of rebel ship won't be useful anymore, a lot of aces can't be played anymore.

Let's talk about Poe for example: Of course you could still play Poe by using the determination eliteskill.

But as soon as you have got it, you won't be using it, because Kylo won't use his ability on Poe anymore, because he knows that he has got this skill.

Poe is getting worse meanwhile, because he can't use his eliteskill for a good ability like Push the Limit or VI.

So what happens? Players are not going to use Poe in the first place. Why would they skill play an X-Wing without a real eliteskill? That doesn't make sense. It's more logic to use Imperial ships then.

Kylo crew is a card that requires taking an action to use and will typically be on a low agility ship. Rebels have the strongest stress dealing abilities. They'll be fine.

if you are seriously worried about Kylo, take Determination. He cant hurt you now.

if you are seriously worried about Kylo, take Determination. He cant hurt you now.

We have discussed this already. This means you have to fill your elite slot with garbage and this will make your team much weaker against all other enemies.

The result is: people just don't fly ships with 1 or 2 evade dice anymore. Why? Because they can get crits through shields anytime. Any crit? Not any... just a "pilot" crit, which your enemy can choose for this particular ship and situation.

But Blount sometimes got an even better crit on Corran or an Awing - Direct Hit!

It's so much more powerful, if you can actually choose the crit you want to put on your enemy.

But Kylo does much more than that.

Also, Integrated Astromech laughs at this and so does Determination.

Determination is a 1 point card that completely negates Kylo Ren and his ability.

These cards do offer a one-time protection from Kylo's card dealing ability, but I just don't fly against Rebel Aces that sport these. Is there good Rebel Ace builds for Coran, Wedge or Poe that can use these cards? ...or are do these cards actually "damage" the potential play-ability and output of our Rebel ships before a shot is even fired? If so, Kylo can not only use his great combat ability, but weaken ships for his other squad members even if he never uses that ability, right?

Determination is EVERY time and not just a 1 time. Integrated Astromech is 1 time but both offer some relief from Kylo Ren.

Determination is an EPT so it can go on Corran, Wedge and Poe.

I will take fighting a Determination Corran, Wedge, and Poe any day of the week. Losing their EPT because of the THREAT of Kylo is a massive advantage to the other team. Especially if they're not actually running Kylo.

Not really. Vi is a popular EPT on them so you are leaving their PS at the same but negating ALL pilot crits whether from Kylo or attacks. This is not a bad EPT and the Dash Poe build that won a regional this past weekend shows that Poe doesn't have to be a PS 10 to be effective.

I will take fighting a Determination Corran, Wedge, and Poe any day of the week. Losing their EPT because of the THREAT of Kylo is a massive advantage to the other team. Especially if they're not actually running Kylo.

That's the point. The Rebel Team will be much weaker, because they have to spend their Eliteskill for some complete garbage. So they won't be able to fight a lot of other squads anymore, especially if there is NOT a Kylo Ren in them.

Totally don't agree. This the same as BMST case of no more of PtL dependent aces. You take regen aces, another player takes Palp Aces and I take the Deci w/Kylo list. There are still some other lists (probably some Dengaroo, tripple defenders, quad TLT, Party bus with friends, stresshog, etc.). Between the 3 lists, Deci Kylo is losing on paper to Palp Aces who loses to Regen squad who loses to Deci Kylo... And, on paper that build will lose to most of mentioned lists: Dengaroo, defenders, quad tlt, party bus if paired with two u-boats and stresshog also won't be easy.

But, the game in the end depends on how both of you are flying and that may change this win:lose ratio, and that depends strongly on the player skill. I had a chance to twice win against a Dengaroo with a player who flew it for first two times. With Deci/Ryad list (no Kylo of course). I was not that much more skilled, but thanks to his mistakes I could win that match up.

if you are seriously worried about Kylo, take Determination. He cant hurt you now.

Yes, but you are now disadvantaged against all your non-Kylo match-ups.

Either way, can we not agree that things that force match-up dependent Silver Bullets are frickin' terrible for the health of the meta game.

Whisper was a terror in the Wave 4 meta game. If you were seriously worried about Whisper, you could just take VI Han. And everyone did. This does not mean it was a balanced or a healthy or fun meta.

if you are seriously worried about Kylo, take Determination. He cant hurt you now.

Perhaps a title upgrade is on the way for the xwing?

if you are seriously worried about Kylo, take Determination. He cant hurt you now.

We have discussed this already. This means you have to fill your elite slot with garbage and this will make your team much weaker against all other enemies.

The result is: people just don't fly ships with 1 or 2 evade dice anymore. Why? Because they can get crits through shields anytime. Any crit? Not any... just a "pilot" crit, which your enemy can choose for this particular ship and situation.

THE SKY IS FALLING.

No it's not. No more than it was when ANY other powerful upgrade was released.

You know what really actually killed Rebel aces?

Jumpmasters. They fixed those, and the sky really WAS falling then.

If it is this time, they'll fix this too. But I don't agree that it is. This is painful for low-agility ships, sure. But it can only affect one ship in your list, once per round. Plan for it, play well against it, kill the ship holding it.

That's assuming it's even taken at all - it's an action not spend modifying dice, which is an expensive action, in a very highly contested slot. I mean, it's all very well having RAC with this, gunner and HotCop, but unless he's at range 1 of his target, he's only averaging 2 damage, less at range 3. ANd he's probably the single best possible carrier for it. He's most likely missing the ship with IWSYTDS twice, given how common 3-AGI/focus/evade is.

I'm looking forward to running RAC and Kylo together, but it's mostly because they hit like trucks and deal a lot of crits generally, and confuse targetting priority like wow.

Not because of IWSYTDS.

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if you are seriously worried about Kylo, take Determination. He cant hurt you now.

We have discussed this already. This means you have to fill your elite slot with garbage and this will make your team much weaker against all other enemies.

The result is: people just don't fly ships with 1 or 2 evade dice anymore. Why? Because they can get crits through shields anytime. Any crit? Not any... just a "pilot" crit, which your enemy can choose for this particular ship and situation.

If Kylo is all over the place, then Determination isn't a garbage EPT. Its value is meta dependent. In that sense it is like VI. If you pop VI on PS8 Poe and proceed to hit almost nothing but PS5-7 Defenders and PS11 Han Solos all day, it is a wasted point and an EPT slot. It was a great choice if you are running up against PS8 and 9 pilots all day long though.

Coming up with new cards that make old 'garbage' cards actually worthwhile seems like good design.

As I believe somebody said once: "the garbage will do".

No one said sky is falling. It's just going to be less rebels yet again. We have had this before during the Uboat problem. And we're still having it right now somehow, because other factions just have better ships, better options to deal with everything.

Especially on tournaments people tend to play a list that can deal with almost everything. So they are not going to take a rebel list for the most part.

At worlds there was about 25% rebel players. Its going to be less.

I am not saying sky is falling, I am just saying that one faction is getting worse and worse and that's why people are going to play any other faction.