first champ not to use a flotilla! good on you mate

Here are the remainder of the Cary,NC regional lists (9-19):

9 – Rhett Sellers 18pts/202mov

399/400 Advanced Gunnery, Fire Lanes, Intel Swep

MC80 Command – Rieekan, Skilled First Officer, Fighter Coord. Team, ECM, XI7s, Leading Shots (157)

GR-75 Transport – Bright Hope, BCC, Boosted Comms (32)

CR90A – Tantive, Leia, TRCs (57)

CR90A – Jaina, TRCs (53)

B-wings x3, X-wings x3, Jan Ors (100)

10 – Stephen Didion 18pts/160mov

398/400 Advanced Gunnery, Fire Lanes, Dangerous Territory

MC80 Assault – Ackbar, Home One, Adv. Projectors, Leading Shots, H9s (177)

AFIImkA – Gunnery Teams, Quad Turbolaser Cannons (98)

GR-75 Transports – Bright Hope, Toryn Farr (27)

A-wings x4, X-wings x4 (96)

11 – Micheal Koren 17pts/167mov

399/400 Most Wanted, Contested Outpost, Superior Posistions

VSD II – Motti, Skilled First Officer, Leading Shots, Gunnery Teams, Spinal Armaments (130)

VSD II – Skilled First Officer, Leading Shots, Gunnery Team, Spinal Armaments (106)

Gozanti Cruiser – BCC, Boosted Comms

Tie Bomber x4, Rhymer, Jumpmaster, Dengar, Firespray, Boba Fett (125)

12 – Austin Campbell 15pts/174mov (Partial List Only)

394/400 Most Wanted, Fire Lanes, Intel Sweep

ISD II – Ozzel, Gunnery Teams, ECM, XI7s, Leading Shots (144)

GSD I – Demolisher, Ord. Experts, Engine Techs, APTs (83)

13 – Jonathan Wengler 15pts/59mov

394/400 Most Wanted, Hyperspace Assault, Superior Positions

Gozanti Cruiser – Screed (49)

GSD I – Intel Officer, Ord. Experts, Engine Techs, APTs, Demolisher (90)

Raider I – Ord. Experts, Instigator (52)

Raider I – Ord. Experts, Impetuous (52)

Gozanti Cruiser (23)

Gozanti Cruiser (23)

Dengar, Tie Adv. x3, Tie Bomber x2, Rhymer, Mauler (105)

14 – Daniel Nowak 12pts/400mov

400/400 Most Wanted, Contested Outpost, Intel Sweep

MC80 Battle Cruiser – Dodanna, Mon Karren, Raymus, Gunnery Teams, Nav. Team, Spinal Armaments, H9s, Leading Shots (170)

GR-75 Transport – Bright Hope, Toryn Farr, Exp. Hanger Bay, BCC (40)

GR-75 Transport – Quantum Storm, Leia, Repair Crews (26)

GR-75 Transport – Chart Officer, Exp. Hanger Bay, BCC (33)

X-wings x3, Jan Ors, YT-1300, B-wings x2, Luke, HWK-290, (131)

15 – Jeff Hincy 12pts/142mov

398/400 Most Wanted, Hyperspace Assualt, Dangerous Territory

MC30c Scout – Foresight, Ord. Experts, ACM, TRC, Rieekan (125)

MC30c Torpedo – Admonition, Ord. Experts, XI7, ACM, Adv. Projectors (94)

MC30c Torpedo – Adv. Projectors, Ord. Experts, ACM, XI7 (86)

GR-75 Tranport (18)

Tycho, Dash, Dutch, Wedge (75)

16 – Craig Lincoln 11pts/0mov

395/400 Most Wanted, Hyperspace Assault, Intel Sweep

CR90A – Mon Mothma, TRC, Jaina (83)

MC30c Torpedo – Skilled First Officer, Ord. Experts, Adv. Projectors, APTs, H9s (87)

MC30c Torpedo – Skilled First Officer, Ord. Experts, Adv. Projectors, APTs, H9s (87)

MC30c Torpedo – Lando, Admonition, Ord. Experts, APTs (84)

GR-75 Transport (18)

GR-75 Transport (18)

GR-75 Transport (18)

17 – Nathan Penny 11pts/0mov

400/400 Most Wanted, Hyperspace Assault, Superior Positions

CR90A – Dodanna, Tantive, Raymus (74)

Neb B Escort – Yavaris, Flight Commander, Fighter Coord. Team

GR-75 Transport – Boosted Comsms, BCC (30)

GR-75 Transport – Exp. Hanger Bay (23)

AFIImkB – Weapon Liaison, Flight Controllers, Boosted Comms (85)

B-wings x2, Y-wings x4, X-wings x4 (120)

18 – Mike Baker 10pts/140mov

394/400 Opening Salvo, Superior Positions, Hyperspace Assault

MC80 Battle Cruiser – Madine, Mon Karren, Intel Officer, Overload Pulse, Engine Techs, Gunnery Teams (171)

MC30c Torpedo – Ord. Experts, Rapid Reload (75)

MC30c Torpedo – Ord. Experts, Rapid Reload (75)

Tycho, Dash, A-wings x3 (73)

19 – Armon Pollack 10pts/39mov

400/400 Most Wanted, Hyperspace Assault, Intel Sweep

GR75 Transport – Cracken, Bright Hope, BCC (54)

MC30c Torpedo – Lando, Admonition, Ord. Experts, Expanded Launchers, H9s (100)

GR-75 Transport – Toryn Farr, BCC (33)

CR90A – TRC (51)

Neb B Escort – Yavaris (62)

Jan Ors, X-wing x3, B-wing x3 (100)

Thanks to everyone for all this effort!

I'm finding the spreadsheet to be fascinating as an overview of the meta.

Ahh...the last elegant fleet lists...for a more civilized Wave 3/4 age...

16 - Craig Lincoln 11pts/0mov

395/400 Most Wanted, Hyperspace Assault, Intel Sweep

CR90A – Mon Mothma, TRC, Jaina (83)

MC30c Torpedo – Skilled First Officer, Ord. Experts, Adv. Projectors, APTs, H9s (87)

MC30c Torpedo – Skilled First Officer, Ord. Experts, Adv. Projectors, APTs, H9s (87)

MC30c Torpedo – Lando, Admonition, Ord. Experts, APTs (84)

GR-75 Transport (18)

GR-75 Transport (18)

GR-75 Transport (18)

Which one of you guys was this, and what happened?

Caldias?

16 - Craig Lincoln 11pts/0mov

395/400 Most Wanted, Hyperspace Assault, Intel Sweep

CR90A – Mon Mothma, TRC, Jaina (83)

MC30c Torpedo – Skilled First Officer, Ord. Experts, Adv. Projectors, APTs, H9s (87)

MC30c Torpedo – Skilled First Officer, Ord. Experts, Adv. Projectors, APTs, H9s (87)

MC30c Torpedo – Lando, Admonition, Ord. Experts, APTs (84)

GR-75 Transport (18)

GR-75 Transport (18)

GR-75 Transport (18)

Which one of you guys was this, and what happened?

Caldias?

It's a really good story. Just wait for him to respond hahaha

11 – Michael Koren 17pts/167mov

399/400 Most Wanted, Contested Outpost, Superior Posistions

VSD II – Motti, Skilled First Officer, Leading Shots, Gunnery Teams, Spinal Armaments (130)

VSD II – Skilled First Officer, Leading Shots, Gunnery Team, Spinal Armaments (106)

Gozanti Cruiser – BCC, Boosted Comms

Tie Bomber x4, Rhymer, Jumpmaster, Dengar, Firespray, Boba Fett (125)

Fixed it.

Stockport Regionals fleets added. The UK meta certainly looked different than the US meta to me as I was entering it.

Which aspects looked different to you?

Without the ability to download or copy the data (in order to check differences of means and what-not), it's hard to really spot anything that looks particularly distinct.

It strikes me that looking at how different metas develop differently from one another, is like doing a cultural-evolution analysis. That's not saying that culture has an impact on fleet building (it's plausible, but I would doubt it), but that groups that are separate from one another reach different conclusions, based on different experiences, and then teach one another different lessons.

It was me, and here's where I went wrong. I dropped the wth 30 for a CR90 thinking it would help me free up flotillas to flak, which it did, but I ended up being very cautious with Mon Mothma in most of my games, and either didn't end up doing much or ended up trading 1 for 1.

I played some stiff competition, and my first game I completely screwed up by going engineering on one turn on Admonition, and knew I was going to fly off the table. I also BARELY flew a flotilla off, which turned a 6-5 in my favor to a 7-4 the other way. I have some takeaways:

4 MC30s is better than 3 and a TRC, either that or I should've still stuck Mothma on a flotilla in order to spread points

Skilled First Officer >>>>> Lando as far as consistency goes. Lando can do work, but SFO is ALWAYS useful.

Looking forward to update this with the new toys. I am considering Tycho and Shara Bey as a minimal squadron tarpit. I will definitely be retooling this one for the next regional I attend, which should be Maryland. I am even wondering about possibly dropping Adv. Proj entirely, but we will see. It does AMAZING work at keeping those ships alive vs. squadrons.

It was me, and here's where I went wrong. I dropped the wth 30 for a CR90 thinking it would help me free up flotillas to flak, which it did, but I ended up being very cautious with Mon Mothma in most of my games, and either didn't end up doing much or ended up trading 1 for 1.

I played some stiff competition, and my first game I completely screwed up by going engineering on one turn on Admonition, and knew I was going to fly off the table. I also BARELY flew a flotilla off, which turned a 6-5 in my favor to a 7-4 the other way. I have some takeaways:

4 MC30s is better than 3 and a TRC, either that or I should've still stuck Mothma on a flotilla in order to spread points

Skilled First Officer >>>>> Lando as far as consistency goes. Lando can do work, but SFO is ALWAYS useful.

Looking forward to update this with the new toys. I am considering Tycho and Shara Bey as a minimal squadron tarpit. I will definitely be retooling this one for the next regional I attend, which should be Maryland. I am even wondering about possibly dropping Adv. Proj entirely, but we will see. It does AMAZING work at keeping those ships alive vs. squadrons.

Did you feel that you got good flak value from your flotillas? Sometimes I feel I do and sometimes I wish a had the blue die AA for greater range. But then I actually throw some blue dice and whiff a ton and go back to black.

It was me, and here's where I went wrong. I dropped the wth 30 for a CR90 thinking it would help me free up flotillas to flak, which it did, but I ended up being very cautious with Mon Mothma in most of my games, and either didn't end up doing much or ended up trading 1 for 1.

I played some stiff competition, and my first game I completely screwed up by going engineering on one turn on Admonition, and knew I was going to fly off the table. I also BARELY flew a flotilla off, which turned a 6-5 in my favor to a 7-4 the other way. I have some takeaways:

4 MC30s is better than 3 and a TRC, either that or I should've still stuck Mothma on a flotilla in order to spread points

Skilled First Officer >>>>> Lando as far as consistency goes. Lando can do work, but SFO is ALWAYS useful.

Looking forward to update this with the new toys. I am considering Tycho and Shara Bey as a minimal squadron tarpit. I will definitely be retooling this one for the next regional I attend, which should be Maryland. I am even wondering about possibly dropping Adv. Proj entirely, but we will see. It does AMAZING work at keeping those ships alive vs. squadrons.

Did you feel that you got good flak value from your flotillas? Sometimes I feel I do and sometimes I wish a had the blue die AA for greater range. But then I actually throw some blue dice and whiff a ton and go back to black.

So I ended up killing a few squadrons, in one game two squadrons was almost equivalent to two flotillas. I think Mothma with black AA is great because if they don't come into close range (Rhymer) then they are going to get two useless attacks. So Mothma helps you force fighters in, so I think if I wasn't running her I might want some blue AA flots possibly, or one with Toryn to boost all other ships' AA.

Here's the winning list at last weekends Regionals in Östersund, Sweden:

Name: Mikael Andersson
Event: Mid-Sweden Armada Regionals 3 Dec 2016
Faction: Rebel
Total Points: 399

SHIP: Assault Frigate Mark II B 72
Adar Tallon 10
Electronic Countermeasures 7
Total Points: 89

SHIP: Nebulon-B Escort Frigate 57
Flight Commander 3
Yavaris 5
Total Points: 65

SHIP: GR-75 Medium Transports 18
Toryn Farr 7
Bomber Command Center 8
Bright Hope 2
Total Points: 35

SHIP: GR-75 Medium Transports 18
Bomber Command Center 8
Total Points: 26

SHIP: GR-75 Medium Transports 18
General Rieekan 30
Leia Organa 3
Comms Net 2
Total Points: 53

Wedge Antilles X-wing Squadron
X-wing Squadron
''Dutch'' Vander Y-wing Squadron
Jan Ors Moldy Crow
Scurrg H-6 Bomber
Scurrg H-6 Bomber
Scurrg H-6 Bomber
Scurrg H-6 Bomber

Objectives:
Precision Strike
Contested Outpost
Superior Positions

Other random numbers from Östersund, Sweden 3 Dec Regionals

10 players

7 Imperial, 3 Rebels

1st - above list, 27 points

2nd - Erik Andersson Bäckström: Ackbar CR90 Swarm + flottillas + squads 20 points

3rd - Mikael Vikström: Vader, 2 Gladiators ++. 1 Tie Fighter only squad!

4th - Jonas Mäki: ISD, Interdictor, Howl + Interceptors

if I remember correctly, don't have the time to post them all.

Someone put in the Marietta data. Thanks.

One note. The winning Rebel fleet is listed as having APT.

But the only ships are 2 AF and 1 Neb B. How is it fielding APT?

Someone put in the Marietta data. Thanks.

One note. The winning Rebel fleet is listed as having APT.

But the only ships are 2 AF and 1 Neb B. How is it fielding APT?

I occasionally make errors with data input?

That and some other issues with the Marietta data are now fixed.

I'm working on NC right now.

Here's the winning list at last weekends Regionals in Östersund, Sweden:

Name: Mikael Andersson

Event: Mid-Sweden Armada Regionals 3 Dec 2016

Faction: Rebel

Total Points: 399

SHIP: Assault Frigate Mark II B 72

Adar Tallon 10

Electronic Countermeasures 7

Total Points: 89

SHIP: Nebulon-B Escort Frigate 57

Flight Commander 3

Yavaris 5

Total Points: 65

SHIP: GR-75 Medium Transports 18

Toryn Farr 7

Bomber Command Center 8

Bright Hope 2

Total Points: 35

SHIP: GR-75 Medium Transports 18

Bomber Command Center 8

Total Points: 26

SHIP: GR-75 Medium Transports 18

General Rieekan 30

Leia Organa 3

Comms Net 2

Total Points: 53

Wedge Antilles X-wing Squadron

X-wing Squadron

''Dutch'' Vander Y-wing Squadron

Jan Ors Moldy Crow

Scurrg H-6 Bomber

Scurrg H-6 Bomber

Scurrg H-6 Bomber

Scurrg H-6 Bomber

Objectives:

Precision Strike

Contested Outpost

Superior Positions

Other random numbers from Östersund, Sweden 3 Dec Regionals

10 players

7 Imperial, 3 Rebels

1st - above list, 27 points

2nd - Erik Andersson Bäckström: Ackbar CR90 Swarm + flottillas + squads 20 points

3rd - Mikael Vikström: Vader, 2 Gladiators ++. 1 Tie Fighter only squad!

4th - Jonas Mäki: ISD, Interdictor, Howl + Interceptors

if I remember correctly, don't have the time to post them all.

Thanks for posting what you did. We'd love to see all the details if you ever have time.

Cary, NC and Canberra, AUS have been added in there.

Still no info at all from Ottawa or Independence.

I don't hink there are any regionals this weekend. Next weekend there are 2, Omaha and Houston. Those should be the last before Wave 5/CC become legal. We have plenty of data for this Wave 3/4 section to make some good comparisons to the changes to fleets with the new wave, which is really fun.

It was me, and here's where I went wrong. I dropped the wth 30 for a CR90 thinking it would help me free up flotillas to flak, which it did, but I ended up being very cautious with Mon Mothma in most of my games, and either didn't end up doing much or ended up trading 1 for 1.

I played some stiff competition, and my first game I completely screwed up by going engineering on one turn on Admonition, and knew I was going to fly off the table. I also BARELY flew a flotilla off, which turned a 6-5 in my favor to a 7-4 the other way. I have some takeaways:

4 MC30s is better than 3 and a TRC, either that or I should've still stuck Mothma on a flotilla in order to spread points

Skilled First Officer >>>>> Lando as far as consistency goes. Lando can do work, but SFO is ALWAYS useful.

Looking forward to update this with the new toys. I am considering Tycho and Shara Bey as a minimal squadron tarpit. I will definitely be retooling this one for the next regional I attend, which should be Maryland. I am even wondering about possibly dropping Adv. Proj entirely, but we will see. It does AMAZING work at keeping those ships alive vs. squadrons.

YOU WAFFLED, AND YOU PAID FOR IT.

Joking side, great feedback, and thanks for taking the time to put it out there... for all three of us MM MC30 swarmers. I actually find myself often not even using the flotillas for initial flak most of the time, but rather as a follow-Up threat to keep squadrons thinking twice about their positioning when they're trying to get kill shots on the shrimps.

And I'm completely sold on lifeboating Mon Mothma and never committing her at all. In fact, I've even managed to entice opponents to split forces by dropping her all the way across the board from the rest of the action. Giving up a tabling in order to chase down MM's 48-point flotilla is not a good strategy, as it turns out.

Right, that's what I was missing. I shoulda stuck with4 30s and 2 flots, woulda went better. I also love how frustrating Mothma flotillas are to kill. Definitely worth it even if she gets chased down. I am sure this will change with the new goodies, but it is the most fun list I've flown this wave.

Good thoughts, Ard. I am excited for the next regional.

Right, that's what I was missing. I shoulda stuck with4 30s and 2 flots, woulda went better. I also love how frustrating Mothma flotillas are to kill. Definitely worth it even if she gets chased down. I am sure this will change with the new goodies, but it is the most fun list I've flown this wave.

Good thoughts, Ard. I am excited for the next regional.

Add in the titles and prepare to wear the biggest sh!t eating grin as you cancel/reroll pretty much ALL of an opponents best dice. They are surprisingly sturdy when built right

Admonition is the only title I'm sold on, and I always have that one if I bring a 30. Foresight as a close-range brawler doesn't really do it for me, which is why I switched to Advanced Projectors for less points. I am excited to see what Foresight and Sato do together, though. Seems a match made in APT heaven.

Admonition is the only title I'm sold on, and I always have that one if I bring a 30. Foresight as a close-range brawler doesn't really do it for me, which is why I switched to Advanced Projectors for less points. I am excited to see what Foresight and Sato do together, though. Seems a match made in APT heaven.

Foresight alone is meh. Foresight with Mothma is AWESOME! I've survived medium range ISD2 shots on multiple occasions because of that title. Cancelling 2 dice at medium range with one token is awesome, as is making b-wings reroll both of their dice at close range. And you get a semi-advanced projectors to boot

You can do 3 MC30s, 3 CR90B and 1 flotilla with Mothma if you try hard enough....

Trust me, I've been hard charging with Mothma MC30s since Wave 2, and loved Foresight then. I still feel since spinal is now more popular than XI7s used to be, that APs were the way to go, especially with the heavy squadron meta. Not knocking Foresight, just think APs have more to offer.

I've loved Advanced Projectors on my Mc30s some the first time I took them. Especially now that XI7s are being replaced with H9s.

I don't have all the data from Independence, but I can tell you what won first place.

Glad II - Demo, Skilled First Officer, APT, Demolisher

Glad II - OE, APT

Glad II - OE, APT

Gozanti - Admiral Screed

Gozanti - BCC

Rhymer

6 x TIE Bomber

3 x TIE Fighter

Precision Strike - Fire Lanes - Superior Positions

There were a ton of squadrons around (as most people are probably expecting these days), especially a ton of X-Wings. I faced an Ackbar list at the end of the day with two Assault Frigates, a CR90A, and a bunch of squadrons (mostly X-Wings, plus Jan and Dutch). Not sure how helpful that is, but it's something.