I've been theory crafting and play testing quite a bit since observing the worlds results. One of the things that sticks out about any variation of the traditional Dengaroo build is that you are often relying on Dengar to solo a list. While this strategy works great against lists with 2-3 low hit point aces with low damage output, it falls flat vs tanky bombers, ghosts or higher PS aces with high burst damage output who can dodge arc and output 5 hits on a critical turn.

vrs those types of list Dengar by himself can't push through enough damage by himself to knock out or PS kill a K-wing or remove a dangerous ace who maneuvers out of arc.

So to deal with these types of list I think it might be better to leave the wife at home and link up with some little friends. So here it is

I think you made a mistake with the M3-As EPTs .

As soon as you use Zuckuss or the OCR4, your entire list becomes stressed. The Scyks have a decent selection of greens but you are limiting yourself to just those if you want to perform any actions.

Yes it is stronger against certain specific lists that Dengaroo struggles with but it is weaker against most other lists. Any Rebel list with Stressbot would love to hit this list.

With the caveat that I have neither played, nor played against this list, the problem I think you may have is that, between R4 and Zuckuss, Dengar is going to get stressed (nothing new here). At that point he is reliant on one of the Sycks taking a focus as an action so it won't also have an evade. Even with 4 hull, it shouldn't be that hard to focus it down. Once that is out of the game, then the next one needs to take the focus action so has no evade.

Added to that, Sycks don't have a green hard so once they are stressed they are going to struggle to turn around. Catching and killing them should be alot easier than killing manaroo because they don't have a boost, even more so since you bring them to the table with the intention of shooting with them rather than just running away.

Its going to hit harder than dengaroo in the first engagement, which is a given as you are bringing more guns, but whether you can translate that improve opening into more mid-late game success, I'm not so sure.

Actually, the idea is not bad. But maybe you can find another "focus engin stressfree". Something like an HWK, Guri, or Kaato.

Or what about FennRau itself? He really don't care about the stress from AM, and you have 2 PS9 Ace now

I definitely think Protectorates (with their green hard turns) are a good call. I'm not sure about Fenn Rau - because you'll want the option to boost or barrel roll with him to get those lovely range 1 bonuses.

I think the Concord Dawn veterans might work fairly well. Yes, you lack the critical-causing potential of the mangler cannon, but you have the same raw damage, and you can afford the title as well.

They become nice blockers which can do a good line in strafing runs against tough big ships like the VCX, YV-666 or VT-49 that don't really care about Zuckuss' ability.

Actually, the idea is not bad. But maybe you can find another "focus engin stressfree". Something like an HWK, Guri, or Kaato.

Actually, WITH zuckuss + overclocked, the list is kind of bad.

Drop those and replace them with R4 agromech and suddenly the list becomes decent.

Put in Serissu to make Dengar's defence better. And if you're using two, I'd do two ion cannons. Ionising big ships in a single turn is super nice.

Here's what I did at a recent tournament, trying to be more offensive than Dengaroo with similar focus passing concept -

Dengar w/ Attanni, K4, R4-B11, title, glitterstim ("stress-less Dengar")

Old Teroch w/ Attanni, Title, Autothrusters

Kaato Leachos w/ Attanni

Teroch is the backup for Dengar to deal damage and likes to jam into others and steal their tokens, opening up something for Dengar. With the current mid to low PS meta, Teroch can arc dodge or pick targets as he likes. I found myself dealing out 4 modified dice attacks often against targets with no defenses. Strong round could be 12 damage (4 for Teroch, 4 for Dengar then 4 for Dengar's second shot). I almost 1-shot a YV-666 this way (10 damage) and only took 2 shield tokens off Dengar in return.

Kaato stays away from everything just taking 1 straights while passing focus tokens and Dengar does his thing - I only used Kaato's ability once and only took him as the lowest cost EPT in scum. Also allows me to avoid a Scyk too since it needs the title to be ok and fits points-wise.

Except for Glitterstim the list rarely if ever stresses and when glitterstim is popped, i just take greens afterwards.

I gave the list to a friend of mine to fly last night and flew my top Rebel list against it as well a T-70 list I've been tinkering with. He took me apart with it and made a rather interesting change, ditching the Countermeasures for Inertial Dampeners. This gives the list a much better initiative bid and can really pay dividends, avoiding blocks and punishing a would be blocker.

97 points Pilots

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Dengar (49)

JumpMaster 5000 (33), Attanni Mindlink (1), Zuckuss (1), Overclocked R4 (1), Inertial Dampeners (1), Punishing One (12)

Tansarii Point Veteran (24)

M3-A “Scyk” Interceptor (17), Attanni Mindlink (1), “Heavy Scyk” Interceptor (2), “Mangler” Cannon (4)

Tansarii Point Veteran (24)

M3-A “Scyk” Interceptor (17), Attanni Mindlink (1), “Heavy Scyk” Interceptor (2), “Mangler” Cannon (4)

I can tell its not to underestimate.

I play my "Scygar" list for two weeks now mostly against the Corran and Miranda WORLD's list , friend wants to practice this one .

He is playing with thermal detonators so he shares stress but it has not such an impact on a mindlink list .

And why r u ppl talking about the stress bot ?

Actually It' s Ventress i care about .

But even a ship with two stress or more , and that does not happen to much , usually gets his tokens with mindlink .

Need to practice more against other lists for a store tournament in two weeks but i will play it for sure .

If Dengar drops down to early in the game u will definitively have some problems winning the match against late-game ships , but if he lasts long enough he can make the change and " seal the deal ".

"Scygar"

Dengar

Attanni Mindlink

K4 Sec.

R4-B11

Title

Tansarii P.V. x 2

Attanni Mindlink

Mangler C.

Title

100 p.

I think you made a mistake with the M3-As EPTs .

I think you made a mistake with the M3-As EPTs .

Are you saying he made a mistake with the choice or that Scyks can't take EPTs? Cause Tansarii Point Vets have an EPT slot and Mindlink is absolutely ammazing on them. If you don't believe me just try it. You might be pleasantly surprised.

When the post was created, sciks had Veteran Instincts instead of Minlink .

I think you made a mistake with the M3-As EPTs .

Are you saying he made a mistake with the choice or that Scyks can't take EPTs? Cause Tansarii Point Vets have an EPT slot and Mindlink is absolutely ammazing on them. If you don't believe me just try it. You might be pleasantly surprised.

When the post was created, sciks had Veteran Instincts instead of Minlink .