I just need a double confirmation of something: performing a SLAM (through a burnout SLAM) says that you execute a manoeuver, but since the check pilot stress has been moved into the manoeuver, does this mean that it could result into a stress?

Example:

- IG-88 starts the round with a stress

- IG-88 does a 3 green bank, checks pilot stress and removes the stress

- IG-88 uses a Slam action and select an S-loop, but since it is a red manoeuver, he adds a stress afterwards.

SLAM was never an issue with the K-Wing, but now that it can be executed by other ships, I just want to make sure that I have my facts straight.

Yes, a ship which uses Burnout SLAM to execute a red maneuver will gain a stress.

A ship which uses Burnout SLAM to execute a green maneuver will clear a stress (before you ask: Chopper crew).

Does anybody know if putting 2 Burnout SLAM cards on Assajj would work? I had assumed that I could use one after the other but somebody in a german X Wing forum mentioned that both cards might have to be dismissed after using a SLAM action.

Not by the RAW on the cards - the wording is 'When you perform a SLAM action, discard this card', which means that whichever one you use, they both get the boot.

Not by the RAW on the cards - the wording is 'When you perform a SLAM action, discard this card', which means that whichever one you use, they both get the boot.

I think it's deliberate as well. Don't hold your breath for an FAQ

Not by the RAW on the cards - the wording is 'When you perform a SLAM action, discard this card', which means that whichever one you use, they both get the boot.

I think it's deliberate as well. Don't hold your breath for an FAQ

Maybe. The wording is kind of forced by the fact you can't SLAM as a free action, which doesn't really leave any other way to word it other than what FFG have used. This could just be an unavoidable side-effect of that rather than a deliberate limitation.

'When you perform a SLAM action, discard a Burnout SLAM card'...?

I am thinking that "discard this card" is not the same as "discard all copies of this card". If you are going to spend the points for two copies and give up both illicit slots on your ship to do it, I am going to say you can use one then the other. Or in other ways of thinking about it, consider it as two separate bottles of "boost fuel" just because you used one bottle doesn't mean the other one is unuseable.

I am thinking that "discard this card" is not the same as "discard all copies of this card". If you are going to spend the points for two copies and give up both illicit slots on your ship to do it, I am going to say you can use one then the other. Or in other ways of thinking about it, consider it as two separate bottles of "boost fuel" just because you used one bottle doesn't mean the other one is unuseable.

THat's one way to interpret it.

It's wrong, but you can do it if you want.

Both copies say 'when you use a SLAM action, discard this card'. There's nothing to define WHICH card you're using for that SLAM action because of the way the card has to be worded to put SLAM on your bar because it can't be done as a free action.

The wording I suggested above would stop you having to discard both. But that's not the wording.

If you want a fluff justification, youc an carry two bottles of fuel if you want. But you only have one SLAM engine and it falls off the first time you use it.

Yes, a ship which uses Burnout SLAM to execute a red maneuver will gain a stress.

A ship which uses Burnout SLAM to execute a green maneuver will clear a stress (before you ask: Chopper crew).

I am not for sure about your second point.

Order of moving and action are:

1: reveal maneuver: we will say a white maneuver.

2: execute maneuver:

3. Check stress: remove or add stress

4: take action: do the green burnout slam

so how would the burnout slam remove stress?

Yes, a ship which uses Burnout SLAM to execute a red maneuver will gain a stress.

A ship which uses Burnout SLAM to execute a green maneuver will clear a stress (before you ask: Chopper crew).

I am not for sure about your second point.

Order of moving and action are:

1: reveal maneuver: we will say a white maneuver.

2: execute maneuver:

3. Check stress: remove or add stress

4: take action: do the green burnout slam

so how would the burnout slam remove stress?

The only time it could is, as noted, with Chopper crew, who can allow you to take an action whilst stressed in exchange for a damage.

I am thinking that "discard this card" is not the same as "discard all copies of this card". If you are going to spend the points for two copies and give up both illicit slots on your ship to do it, I am going to say you can use one then the other. Or in other ways of thinking about it, consider it as two separate bottles of "boost fuel" just because you used one bottle doesn't mean the other one is unuseable.

THat's one way to interpret it.

It's wrong, but you can do it if you want.

Both copies say 'when you use a SLAM action, discard this card'. There's nothing to define WHICH card you're using for that SLAM action because of the way the card has to be worded to put SLAM on your bar because it can't be done as a free action.

The wording I suggested above would stop you having to discard both. But that's not the wording.

If you want a fluff justification, youc an carry two bottles of fuel if you want. But you only have one SLAM engine and it falls off the first time you use it.

I see your point, I wasn't reading the entire card, I don't have one to look at, and was just focused on the last part. As written, you have to look at both cards and ask yourself "did I just perform a SLAM action" and if the answer is yes then you have to discard the card, and since the answer is still yes when you look at the second card it goes as well. I am wishing they had made the card "Limited" in order to make sure there wasn't any question (with RAI, not RAW) about doing it twice or not since you could only have one card per ship no matter how many slots you have.

Would the same logic apply to two "Hot Shot Blasters"?

Would the same logic apply to two "Hot Shot Blasters"?

Would the same logic apply to two "Hot Shot Blasters"?

No.

Why not? The wording is very similar.

They are not similar at all. One say Discard this card to perform this attack. (Not a trigger)

They other say, After you perform a SLAM action discard this card. (This is a trigger)

On the burnout SLAM, there is no reference to which card is used and there would be no way to know it because you use an action on your action bar, not a card like Hot Shot Blaster.

Would the same logic apply to two "Hot Shot Blasters"?

No.

Why not? The wording is very similar.

Because one is triggered by a SLAM action, regardless of the source of it that action, and the other contains the text telling you to discard it within its own activation.

If I understand this correctly, if the Burnout Slam card was worded "Discard this card to perform a Burnout Slam Action" the end effect would be different?

If I understand this correctly, if the Burnout Slam card was worded "Discard this card to perform a Burnout Slam Action" the end effect would be different?

It wouldn't function by RAW - to have that card work, by the normal way cards work in this game, it would have to say 'Action: discard this card to perform a free SLAM action' - but that fails because you cannot SLAM as a free action. So you can't write it as an Action: card; it has to add the symbol to your bar. You can't say 'action: perform a SLAM action' because RAW that takes two actions to perform so the only person who could do it would be Vader. Personally I'm not sold on that logic, but it's the rules as they are written and FAQed.

See upthread for my post on how it could be written to not discard all copies but still work - "Add the SLAM symbol to your action bar. When you perform a SLAM action, discard a Burnout SLAM card."

If I understand this correctly, if the Burnout Slam card was worded "Discard this card to perform a Burnout Slam Action" the end effect would be different?

It wouldn't function by RAW - to have that card work, by the normal way cards work in this game, it would have to say 'Action: discard this card to perform a free SLAM action' - but that fails because you cannot SLAM as a free action. So you can't write it as an Action: card; it has to add the symbol to your bar. You can't say 'action: perform a SLAM action' because RAW that takes two actions to perform so the only person who could do it would be Vader. Personally I'm not sold on that logic, but it's the rules as they are written and FAQed.

See upthread for my post on how it could be written to not discard all copies but still work - "Add the SLAM symbol to your action bar. When you perform a SLAM action, discard a Burnout SLAM card."

Sometimes the wording on these cards gets very, very confusing. Movements that are maneuvers and some that aren't. Makes my head hurt this early in the morning.