Rebel Only Upgrades and new Falcon

By Underachiever599, in X-Wing

So, one of the common ideas I've seen thrown around when it comes to fixing the X-Wing is to put "Rebel Only" on the fix card, preventing the T-70 from taking it. The logic here is that the T-70 is Resistance, not Rebel.

This brings up an interesting conundrum with the new Falcon, however. If this idea really works the way people suggest, then wouldn't it be impossible for the Resistance Falcon to take Rebel Only crew?

Now, obviously, this is not the case. The new Falcon can take Rebel only crew, just as the TIE/fo can take Imperial Only upgrades like ruthlessness. Which means the idea of using "Rebel Only" on an X-Wing fix simply wouldn't work, making it much more difficult to fix the X-Wing without making thr T-70 stronger.

FFG can release errata renaming all X-Wing pilot cards to T-65 X-Wing and then release 'T-65 X-Wing only' upgrades.

Both "Rebel Alliance" and "Resistance" are "Rebel".

Both "Empire" and "First Order" are "Imperial".

For a filter to target only T-65 X-Wings, it needs to be "Rebel Alliance X-wing only", or perhaps, just to avoid confusions and controversies like that of the "TIE Advanced Prototype can use TIE/x1 title because it has TIE Advance in its name", we could have it just as "Alliance X-Wing only".

Indeed, an "Alliance only" upgrade couldn't be used by the Resistance Sympathizer, Old man Han, Old wookie Chewbacca, or Rey.

Edited by Azrapse

X-Wing Deflector Thingy (?)

Something something something boosts defence.

"You cannot equip this card if you have the boost icon."

Done.

Edited by Lampyridae

A card limited to the T-65 X-wing could simply state:

"T-65 X-wing only"

If necessary, the FAQ, could "spell it out".

T-65 X-wing only upgrades may be equipped on an X-wing, which is not the T-70 X-wing.

X-wing only. T-70 X-Wings may not equip this card.

Done

A card limited to the T-65 X-wing could simply state:

"T-65 X-wing only"

If necessary, the FAQ, could "spell it out".

T-65 X-wing only upgrades may be equipped on an X-wing, which is not the T-70 X-wing.

As repeatedly noted, at present it couldn't, because there is no ship called 'T65 X-Wing'.

The original X-Wing is just called 'X-Wing'. It would need errata to all current T65 pilots to make the 'T65' part exist.

Which is how I firmly believe that any putative T65 fix should be issued, but I very much doubt it will be, as FFG have proven very unwilling to make errata on that scale.

Rebel Alliance only would do it, as would an anti-Autothrusters effect that disallows ships with Boost.

Assuming it isn't a mod itself, the boost thing runs into a problem where if you stick EU on an X-Wing, you invalidate the original X-Wing only ness upgrade. Obviously, weird fringe case, why would you shoot yourself in the foot, but it's these kind of interactions you need to look out for. Sub-faction restriction could be a good thematic thing, FFG might not want to go that route just yet but it could be a way to handle subfactions better and kind of guide specific ships as the subfactions get more ships/viability on their own (With Wave X, Upsilons/SF/FOs will be making decent lists, I think). Or, easier solution, since it's incredibly unlikely FFG will come with an upgrade to give old X-Wings a Tech slot, make it so you can't equip the upgrade if Tech is in your upgrade bar.

X-wing only. T-70 X-Wings may not equip this card.

Done

I think I recall hearing Alex Davies say that they deliberately priced the T-70 as inefficiently as the T-65, so that a fix for one would be able to work for both. Granted, it might be the case that they've simply given up on this, and that 1 point price break for Snap, Nien, and (arguably) Jess Pava might be evidence for this.

X-wing only. T-70 X-Wings may not equip this card.

Done

I think I recall hearing Alex Davies say that they deliberately priced the T-70 as inefficiently as the T-65, so that a fix for one would be able to work for both.

very much as above

the only competitively viable/reliable T-70 is (and has always been) poe, so it's not like allowing the T-70 to benefit would suddenly make it overpowered

if anything, the T-70 is worse off than the T-65 as it is far less jousting efficient

the new tech is very fun, but even with the tricks non-poe T-70s just don't have the stats for the points to survive games against the meta game (esp v defenders; whom tend to shrug off even fully modified attacks while T-70s tend not to)

They kinda didnt price it as badly as the T65 at all.

The base pilot is PS2 for both and 3pts different. For 3pts, you get a shield, boost, tech slot, and a fancy new TRoll move (which is seriously amazing). Thats a lot of gak for 3pts.

PS9Poe is 4pts more than Wedge. Given that Poe's ability is mostly defensive and Wedge is purely offensive but MUCH nastier, thats probably why its a 4pt difference instead of 3. If Wedge was in a T70 he'd be in every one of my lists, the T70s especially with the new techs are way, way WAY better than the T65s.

I dont see how any fix would apply to both and not outshine one or the other. Thats why i wish they'd diversify them: make the T65 a glass cannon that hits hard but cant trade as efficiently (no boost, less shields, no TRoll) and the T70 an evasive, maneuvering king that doesnt hit quite as hard but is much harder to get away from because they have way more options to move around with.

3 points is a huge amount

the so called "gak" they were given does not, in any way shape or form, justify how morbidly expensive they are for 3 die-primary, 6 health and 2 agi ship. Nien nub and Snap costing 1 point less than their equivalent PS counterparts is FFG acknowledging that fact (still not enough of a dock down in price)

again, only Poe makes it and only because of how regeneration and auto-thrusters stacks with his ability

Both xs should be a lot cheaper. Building a t70 out of an overpriced base just gets you an overpriced t70

Edited by ficklegreendice

FFG can release errata renaming all X-Wing pilot cards to T-65 X-Wing and then release 'T-65 X-Wing only' upgrades.

It would be easier to just put "Cannot be equipped by T70" or even easier "T-65 Only" Errata's need to be few and far between otherwise you just have a bunch of misprinted cards and hard to follow rules.

Edit: Noticed after people are saying there is no such thing as T65 Easiest way has been said "T-70 Cannot equip"

Edited by Showtimebrad