I quote the Arcmaster here, but i'd like to add that in my humble experience, 1vs1 Miranda's going to either kill Norra or win on points as she's generally more expensive

I'm not sure I agree. Miranda (if she's firing her TLT) can only do 2 damage per round. Norra can regen 1, and between ability (if used) and 3po has a decent chance of preventing another one each round (miranda has to get 3 hits on both attacks to stop norra from evading one). Norra ont he other hand is shooting 3 dice, 4 if she gets to use her ability on offense, against miranda's 1 agility. The only way miranda can do MORE than 2 damage in a round is if she gets range 1 shots at norra, which most likely means norra will get to shoot her back at range 1 as well.

That's true, but sometimes Norra won't have a shot because Miranda can position herself out of arc, or slam out of range, or being R1 and shooting with primary.

The one i met had C3PO too, so she was evading 1-2 damages per round, plus the regenerating one.

It takes AGES to kill her, and she was more pricey than Norra so she won on time.

It was a casual Vassal game but in tourney she'd just run away until time is over

I quote the Arcmaster here, but i'd like to add that in my humble experience, 1vs1 Miranda's going to either kill Norra or win on points as she's generally more expensive

I'm not sure I agree. Miranda (if she's firing her TLT) can only do 2 damage per round. Norra can regen 1, and between ability (if used) and 3po has a decent chance of preventing another one each round (miranda has to get 3 hits on both attacks to stop norra from evading one). Norra ont he other hand is shooting 3 dice, 4 if she gets to use her ability on offense, against miranda's 1 agility. The only way miranda can do MORE than 2 damage in a round is if she gets range 1 shots at norra, which most likely means norra will get to shoot her back at range 1 as well.

That's true, but sometimes Norra won't have a shot because Miranda can position herself out of arc, or slam out of range, or being R1 and shooting with primary.

The one i met had C3PO too, so she was evading 1-2 damages per round, plus the regenerating one.

It takes AGES to kill her, and she was more pricey than Norra so she won on time.

It was a casual Vassal game but in tourney she'd just run away until time is over

I doubt miranda would get many shots from out of arc. And if she's slamming she isnt shooting either. Norra also gets to regenerate even when she doesnt shoot, unlike miranda. You are right about miranda forcing it to time if its just the two of em

This is a very mobile action economy machine, but in any case where this does not help you, for example while going against higher PS and even more mobile opponents, or also vs. turrets of any kind, the build is not going to offer you anything but maybe one more focus token per turn.

Note that a focus token, in conjunction with a TL and Norra's ability, results in an evade.

You know what an evade is as good as? A regenerated shield.

I like you, ForceM, so I know that in this one you're going to eventually come around: the BB-8 Norra is unambiguously superior.

I was unaware that norras ability didnt stack with regen for double the effect of norra without regen

The idea that bb8 norra is unambiguously superior is, simply put, bunk. It is demonstrably inferior in every scenario outside mobility and cost

The offense is the same

The defense is far worse, often half or less (regen has a monstrous effect if allowed to peel off)

If stressed the bb8 variant is simply neutered while r2d2 continues to function just fine

Optimism is fine and all, but be realistic about it

I'm having trouble working out how to get that evade from Norra's ability + TL + Focus.

I'm also having trouble understanding what Norra's ability has to do with Regen.

I'm really confused.

I'm having trouble working out how to get that evade from Norra's ability + TL + Focus.

I'm also having trouble understanding what Norra's ability has to do with Regen.

I'm really confused.

Norra's ability adds a focus result when attacking or defending, by spending a TL

so with a focus, it basically adds an evade result

you use that to take less damage and then regenerate whatever damage you took, canceling guaranteed 2 damage a round (1 from evade ability; 1 from the shield you got back)

ofc, if you're only taking one damage, you get to keep your offensive mods and just regen it away next turn while bb-8 would carry that damage forever

Right. I feel dumb now. I almost always have used her ability on offense, so no longer have a TL to spend.

Right. I feel dumb now. I almost always have used her ability on offense, so no longer have a TL to spend.

you really shouldn't always do it

example: if you're trying to swat at a range 3 modded ship and your roll comes out crap, you should save your mods for the guaranteed evade so you don't lose the dice trade

ofc, if you're not getting shot, fire away (unless you won't be able to reacquire the TL on a higher PS ship after moving, in which case you should probably save it) or if you're just getting shot once and are confident the battle's moving away from you so **** it you'll regen all your shields back anyway

This is a very mobile action economy machine, but in any case where this does not help you, for example while going against higher PS and even more mobile opponents, or also vs. turrets of any kind, the build is not going to offer you anything but maybe one more focus token per turn.

Note that a focus token, in conjunction with a TL and Norra's ability, results in an evade.

You know what an evade is as good as? A regenerated shield.

I like you, ForceM, so I know that in this one you're going to eventually come around: the BB-8 Norra is unambiguously superior.

I guess will see if this goes like with all the other Pilots with a choice between regen droids and BB-8. Until now, i only ever saw BB-8 on Wedge over regeneration droids since he has little synergy with them. On Poe, Corran and most other top pilots its either Regeneration or Stressbot.

That's why it's hard to understand why in this special case mobility and action economy should prime over regeneration.

Okay with one more Focus you could potentially trigger her effect once more if you had one more TL too which would only happen with another support ship. Shara Bey optimally. Other than that you only have part of the combo at your disposal.

I really hope we will see Norra in competitive lists at all though. It doesn't matter if it is with BB-8 or R2-D2.

@FGD: I said "almost always" ...

so with Regen and double action you guaranteed take 1 less and regen 1 per turn.

The real question is for me which crew i should take.

With C-3PO we push our guaranteed damage mitigation to a whopping 3 per turn.

But then again the tail gunner is just too important in order to make that back arc dangerous.

The third option would be Kanan Jarrus in order to keep the dial open.

Kyle Katarn kinda makes only sense for the BB-8 variant i guess.

So C3-PO or Tail gunner is the question of faith here i suppose.

Norra is a special case because she gets incredible mobility -- BR + Boost, which often translate into arc-dodging or 5-red PS killing, both of which are defensive -- and stacked TL + Focus. She gets the equivalent of *four actions per turn*, all of them synergistic with her ship and ability. Her abilities work if she's taking fire, and they work even better if she isn't.

Certain people are just terrible at evaluating stuff in the game. (Remember "Finn is Expose levels of bad"?) For regen, there are stronger choices than Norra. If you want regen, go with one of those. Ignoring Norra's spectacular strengths, and instead making her a second-tier regen ship, is just falling into a trap.

there is nothing in the post to suggest that Norra isn't top-tier regen or that BB-8 is particularly synergistic with her

both droids triggering off of greens greatly benefit from the flexibility of the aux arc, and Norra in particular is capable of astounding levels of damage for her cost as a regeneration ship

for 40 points, she hits harder than anything else you could ever invest in apart from Miranda at range 3 specifically, and she can fly defensively while sacrificing exactly no offense unlike the single arc regenerators

this idea that "there are stronger choices than norra" is unsubstantiated bunk. There are different choices than norra, none of which are strictly better by an stretch of the imagination.