Im going to Regionals in Omaha this saturday, and i was originally going to bring my usual duo bombers w/ LRS list but i just had a rather unsettling thought: Black One is a thing now, and that title hard counters this list. TL turn 1 before they move since PS5, they have removed both Tl's by the time i can attack even without boost + barrelroll in the same turn.

So, how likely you think it will be to see it? Locally here in Lincoln ive only seen it a few times, even PS8/9 poe didnt have it very often because they needed that 1pt for a flat 100pts.

Never been to a larger tournament though. Of course i expect to see a lot of Reys, really not afraid of that at all (with any of my .... ffs 5 lists that i cant decide which is nastier lol)

Having tried it my experience is that you need it on a PTL or BB-8 Poe. Black 1 on a more traditional Poe doesn't work as you almost always need the focus to survive and mod your results. I would go with a PTL, pattern analyzer build - it plays a lot differently to the other versions of Poe though.

I've tried it with a PS9, PTL, Pattern Analyzer, AT Poe with R5-P9 and it's been successful. The title doesn't trigger all that often but it does a great job of deterring those target locks. I have changed from AT to Vectored thrusters on him though since that gives him more opportunity to trigger the title and also it helps him avoid bad situations.

Black One is awesome. I had homing missile Miranda going against Poe,Biggs, Braylen build and he just boosted my TLs off. He will most likely be Rey's partner, and will keep any TL's off her. It's worth 1pt easy. Great title. I think competetive Poe lists will need this title with all the FCS, Vessery shenanigans, K4, LRS, etc.

Black One is awesome. I had homing missile Miranda going against Poe,Biggs, Braylen build and he just boosted my TLs off. He will most likely be Rey's partner, and will keep any TL's off her. It's worth 1pt easy. Great title. I think competetive Poe lists will need this title with all the FCS, Vessery shenanigans, K4, LRS, etc.

Kinda my thought process.

Regular TLs its not as huge of a counter because odds are you need the focus, but LRS offers you a chance to clear it w/o any fear of my nonbomber blowing your face off because youre unmodded now.

I both wanna run my bomber list because its the one i got the most practice list but that title scares the piss out of me. to the point of im not sure if i wanna risk it.

seen it like once and also used it like once

I still think Poe is competitive, but next to Norra he just feels so flimsy and pillow-fisted (and that's with PTL PA giving full mods)

then again, I roll blank dice like it's my ******* job so obviously I'd go for Norra

the one time I've played against it was a Rey + Poe list against my two Ks and Biggs and I bit into Poe's hull with just Miranda's TLT and the other two's primari es. conners did the rest

What do people think about Black One on a VI Snap? He gets a free boost with certain speeds, allowing him to use his action as he needs.

Also, looking forward to using the title with BB-8/PTL Poe.

I think it's worth one point on any ship that can take it when you can, it may only help every other game but to slow down alpha strike/fcs builds to reduce incoming damage or screw up your opponents shot I think is awesome

Im going to Regionals in Omaha this saturday, and i was originally going to bring my usual duo bombers w/ LRS list but i just had a rather unsettling thought: Black One is a thing now, and that title hard counters this list. TL turn 1 before they move since PS5, they have removed both Tl's by the time i can attack even without boost + barrelroll in the same turn.

So, how likely you think it will be to see it? Locally here in Lincoln ive only seen it a few times, even PS8/9 poe didnt have it very often because they needed that 1pt for a flat 100pts.

Never been to a larger tournament though. Of course i expect to see a lot of Reys, really not afraid of that at all (with any of my .... ffs 5 lists that i cant decide which is nastier lol)

I have the same fears. Black One costs a single point and helps against numerous enemies, LRS users and Omega Leader come to mind.

How about Gamma Vets with Deadeye, EM, Proton Torpedos and Guidance Chips?

Issue with that is two protontorps can be dodged by palpaces. I might get 1 hit through between both torps. Homing missiles counter aces like nobody's business since no evade token so built-in pseudo crackshot and it doesnt spend its TL to fire so i can keep it for round2 or spend it on a bad roll. I detest ptorps because i have a habit of rolling blanks with them.

TL + Focus + Homing Missiles is sick, slap on crackshot for even more sickness. Hence why im having such a huge dilemma about how often i think i'll see black one, which kinda shuts my list down until my nonbomber can remove the Black One, which is unlikely until a bomber is dead as well if not both.

Might need to see if i can practice against a black one and see if i can play into it. Ive done that before with baiting out Palp uses where my whole plan is hinging on you burning something that you normally dont have any penalties for using. If you boost to remove my TL, you could be too far forward next turn after you move normally. Yeah, i think like 4 turns in advance lol

Just wish the dang title was more common lol. I have it on my triple T70 list because why the hell not, but like i said before against regular TLs its just a neat addition, LRS its a nightmare.

I don't know how big it will be in DFW but I do remember how popular Poe was this time last year. Because of those memories, I'm really reconsidering how often Vessery will be included in my lists (which is sad, he's my favorite pilot).

I don't know how big it will be in DFW but I do remember how popular Poe was this time last year. Because of those memories, I'm really reconsidering how often Vessery will be included in my lists (which is sad, he's my favorite pilot).

wouldn't worry too much

Poe was very popular during Wave 7, i.e before all the damage Wave 8+ brought along with it

even with torp scouts gone, we still have

--> 4-lom/zuckuss/dengar (Party Bus)

--> Vcx-100 4 dice primary with FCS and autoblaster fall back

--> Norra wexly, the sometimes phantom, with tailgunner

--> Fenn Rau, the sometimes phantom (at range 1)

--> Ketsu tractor beams, her ability of which is guaranteed

--> Rey with Finn, the sorta phantom

etc etc etc

While Poe can carry in the late game, as any regenerator can, I've recently found him disturbing easy to take down

seen it like once and also used it like once

I still think Poe is competitive, but next to Norra he just feels so flimsy and pillow-fisted (and that's with PTL PA giving full mods)

then again, I roll blank dice like it's my ******* job so obviously I'd go for Norra

the one time I've played against it was a Rey + Poe list against my two Ks and Biggs and I bit into Poe's hull with just Miranda's TLT and the other two's primari es. conners did the rest

Have you tried R2-D2 + Sensor Cluster + AT Poe? Still "pillow-fisted" but he can tank damage as well as anybody else.

seen it like once and also used it like once

I still think Poe is competitive, but next to Norra he just feels so flimsy and pillow-fisted (and that's with PTL PA giving full mods)

then again, I roll blank dice like it's my ******* job so obviously I'd go for Norra

the one time I've played against it was a Rey + Poe list against my two Ks and Biggs and I bit into Poe's hull with just Miranda's TLT and the other two's primari es. conners did the rest

Have you tried R2-D2 + Sensor Cluster + AT Poe? Still "pillow-fisted" but he can tank damage as well as anybody else.

seen it played; "eh" was my reaction

I don't personally touch what I call "barely modified dice" (i.e, just a focus or "poe-cus") anymore, regardless of color

I need to kill ships to win games

I flew Poe with the title at a tournament this weekend, and while I didn't get to use the title a lot, my opponents talked about how they felt they couldn't target lock me simply because of the title. So for 1 point, it may not get used a lot but it's a great deterrent, especially when they fly ordinates.

If the single action, regenerating version of Poe is what people end up playing then Black One might not be very common. It adds a point to a ship that is already pricey and if Poe is boosting away your target lock, he's not getting to use his ability (unless there's some token passing shenanigans happening).

Black One seems like a point well spent for Nien or Poe with some combination of Pattern Analyzer, BB-8, and PTL (or VI Snap). If those guys start showing up I'd expect the to almost always have the title.

For Nien or Poe (or VI Snap) with some combination of Pattern Analyzer, BB-8, and PTL

Black One is more of a counter-meta card than a meta card. We'll have to see how many target-lock-heavy ships are out there before we see Black One.

Black One is more of a counter-meta card than a meta card. We'll have to see how many target-lock-heavy ships are out there before we see Black One.

I think that I have to agree with this assessment. It's mainly a thing because of all the TL related effects said above, and it's by no means an auto-include. That point is valuable, and unless you're done your list and at 99, or have an initiative bid that you can cut down or eliminate, it's by no means automatic. The frequency that it would be used depends on your local meta, and what your list fears. For example, it could be good on a regen Poe, because it helps him not get blown out of the water by an alpha strike. You also have to keep in mind that it's not an automatic trigger. You have to boost or BR, and have a TL on you.

I mean.. There exists anti-black one tech for alpha lists, if you can find a point for it.

XX-23s Thread Tracers. Fire off a focus, and after black one could have any effect suddenly every body has target locks. Not perfect but it can work.

For a single point, it feels like a no brainer. If I'm running a T-70 and I can squeeze it in, I will.

A point to consider on VI regen poe: even though you won't boost most of the time, it is a good way to remove target locks while you regen out of the fight.

Saw this which I liked:

Miranda with TLT

Poe with PtL, AT, R2-D2 and title

Airen Cracken with VI

98 points

Two regen ships, Poe often is focus / target lock and Airen makes Poe boost in the shooting phase.

This worked because it was removing a Manaroo passed target lock or a Ryad / Vess Target Lock as well as FCS.

Also, Airen become a little like Biggs, if you don't shoot him, Poe has three actions or an action even if he bumps or goes over a rock.

I had it on a VI Nien flying with Biggs. It helped a LOT. Helped Biggs survive a bit longer.

Yup just as i feared.

Faced a Rey pilot buddied with an offensive Poe that had the title. Bombers couldnt do jack other than drop bombs and fire 2 dice.

Not bringing bombers to regionals this saturday thats for sure lol