Rey being PS8

Hera being PS7

Ahsoka being PS7

Some guy who was dressed in toilet paper and onscreen for 2 seconds being PS9

Thane Kyrell being PS4 and in an ARC-170?

Tie/SF being a pup of a starfighter

T-70 (or at least black one) should have eight torpedo slots

Ello Asty not having Biggs's ability

Poe: "Whoa! This thing really moves!"

[Has no 5-straight.] And if green dice represent agility, why does this thing have only 2 when it can "really move?" It's just to give Imperial players a different flavor of ship, but it sure doesn't seem to fit the lore to me.

Rey being PS8

Hera being PS7

Ahsoka being PS7

Some guy who was dressed in toilet paper and onscreen for 2 seconds being PS9

Thane Kyrell being PS4 and in an ARC-170?

Tie/SF being a pup of a starfighter

T-70 (or at least black one) should have eight torpedo slots

Ello Asty not having Biggs's ability

Yes!! Why in the **** would FFG promote this dude over Fett?? I recalled when I saw the line-up of bounty hunters getting instructions from Vader; I thought "who is that?" He looks as if he's spent too much time dumpster diving behind an all-you-can eat restaurant or something. What?? PS9? Yeah, this is now my biggest beef with FFG.

Thats not FFG promoting, thats the source material about Dengar speaking. In his youth he was a rival to Han Solo at swoop-biking (and those skill apareantly transfer well into spaceships). Han cheated at a race, which consequented in Dengar crahsing. Now he has some implants that enhance his skills. Dengar is a weak bounty hunter, but he definitly is a great pilot.

Thanks for the background; I'm pretty much only knowledgeable on the movies and books promoted/composed by Lucas Arts regarding art, screenplay, etc. You sir, like lots on this forum, are very intelligent; thanks!

But still, come on....I think IG88 is pretty spot-on as well as Bossk, and others perhaps....but come on, Fett should be the lord of these scum; and above them in ship, weapons, abilities, etc. So FFG stunk this one up by either under designing him or over designing the later releases. I guess it's bounty hunter power curve. This stinks; I think FFG buggered this faction the most, it's messed up, in my opinion (albeit very uneducated in contrast to you guys).

To be honest I don't like it either. I do own the Bounty Hunter trilogy and it has its moments, but overall it doesn't come close to any of my favourite EU works. Consequently I am not a big Dengar fan. Boba Fetts Slave 1 would need to be really beefed up to represent him better. The ships was modified to be the very best in combat and the weak base the Firespray has right now can't deliver that. The torpedoe slot, while being saved with LRS and EM from uselessness, doesn't help with that at all.

@ people saying Ahsoka should be higher: I'd rather have the option of running her at PS7 with non-VI EPTs than have her be PS9 with none, because PS11 Captured TIE is a terribad idea!

Assigning numerical values to abstract concepts like Pilot Skill is probably one of the more difficult aspects of development. Game mechanics can be destroyed by too much PS. There are other marketing factors with influence on pilot skill. Rey gets a boost because she is the heroine, and the Falcon had a gap in pilot skill between Lando and Han. Hera doesn't get higher PS because her pilot ability, coupled with higher PS and an EPT would make her an overpowered arc dodging machine in any ship. Boba Fett is over rated. Canon source material never made him an outstanding pilot, but he gets PS8 because he's popular.

Anyone who read the source material for the ARC-170's pilots can confirm the ship, pilot skill and abilities don't pay any respect to source material. The ARC was fan service for those who wanted a Clone Wars Era ship, and a weak nod to new characters in various media sources. Norra, Shara, Thane and Braylen all deserve better, but the characters didn't get what they deserve because FFG has other priorities. I would support boosters that contain just pilot cards and bases, but I imagine FFG is scared of selling anything that doesn't contain a model.

The Ghost's attacks are all kinds of screwy.

Rey being PS8

Hera being PS7

Ahsoka being PS7

Some guy who was dressed in toilet paper and onscreen for 2 seconds being PS9

Thane Kyrell being PS4 and in an ARC-170?

Tie/SF being a pup of a starfighter

T-70 (or at least black one) should have eight torpedo slots

Ello Asty not having Biggs's ability

Poe: "Whoa! This thing really moves!"

[Has no 5-straight.] And if green dice represent agility, why does this thing have only 2 when it can "really move?" It's just to give Imperial players a different flavor of ship, but it sure doesn't seem to fit the lore to me.

I keep seeing this and can't help but roll my eyes every time. You have to compare it to the X-wing he always flies. It can do a short hard turn that the X-wing isn't even capable of. That satisfies that quote for me.

Rey being PS8

Hera being PS7

Ahsoka being PS7

Some guy who was dressed in toilet paper and onscreen for 2 seconds being PS9

Thane Kyrell being PS4 and in an ARC-170?

Tie/SF being a pup of a starfighter

T-70 (or at least black one) should have eight torpedo slots

Ello Asty not having Biggs's ability

Poe: "Whoa! This thing really moves!"

[Has no 5-straight.] And if green dice represent agility, why does this thing have only 2 when it can "really move?" It's just to give Imperial players a different flavor of ship, but it sure doesn't seem to fit the lore to me.

I keep seeing this and can't help but roll my eyes every time. You have to compare it to the X-wing he always flies. It can do a short hard turn that the X-wing isn't even capable of. That satisfies that quote for me.

I would be inclined to agree with you if he said it after doing a hard turn rather than shooting straight forward out of the hangar. It is akin to someone getting into a fast car, putting their foot down and remarking on the acceleration not its ability to turn in hard.

Saying that, acceleration has little to do with top combat speed.

And the Twin Ion Engine design is famed for being faster and more responsive than the X-Wing's more traditional affairs; Poe may have never had the occasion to pilot a TIE design before and was expressing surprise at its ability to accelerate.

or to be more succinct: IRL there's a big difference between the 0-60 time and top speed, and he may have just been happily shocked at its equivalent of 0-60.

I'd have to say C3PO being useful as a crew member is pretty non-canon. Dude was worthless in space battles

I'd have to say C3PO being useful as a crew member is pretty non-canon. Dude was worthless in space battles

But he did help saving the galaxy, right?

Rey being PS8

Hera being PS7

Ahsoka being PS7

Some guy who was dressed in toilet paper and onscreen for 2 seconds being PS9

Thane Kyrell being PS4 and in an ARC-170?

Tie/SF being a pup of a starfighter

T-70 (or at least black one) should have eight torpedo slots

Ello Asty not having Biggs's ability

Poe: "Whoa! This thing really moves!"

[Has no 5-straight.] And if green dice represent agility, why does this thing have only 2 when it can "really move?" It's just to give Imperial players a different flavor of ship, but it sure doesn't seem to fit the lore to me.

I keep seeing this and can't help but roll my eyes every time. You have to compare it to the X-wing he always flies. It can do a short hard turn that the X-wing isn't even capable of. That satisfies that quote for me.

Okay, but it has red 1-turns while the older TIE/ln has white 1-turns? Poe would have lost his mind piloting one of those antiques!

I'd have to say C3PO being useful as a crew member is pretty non-canon. Dude was worthless in space battles

You do tend to guess 'zero' chance on the odds though which is pretty movie canonical.

I'd have to say C3PO being useful as a crew member is pretty non-canon. Dude was worthless in space battles

You do tend to guess 'zero' chance on the odds though which is pretty movie canonical.

What do you mean, he spurred on Hans. Because Hans wanted to prove that condescending gold prick wrong.

Hans?

I understand the need for balance, but Dash deserves to be at LEAST PS8. The guy plotted a safe jump to lightspeed in less than a minute from INSIDE an exploding skyhook platform, for crying out loud!

I understand the need for balance, but Dash deserves to be at LEAST PS8. The guy plotted a safe jump to lightspeed in less than a minute from INSIDE an exploding skyhook platform, for crying out loud!

If hyperspace jumps were part of pilot skill in this game, I'd agree with you.

But still, he did navigate that asteroid field in the Hoth system quite handily. But I'd say he's about as good as Maarek Steele and they both share pilot skill of 7.

But still, he did navigate that asteroid field in the Hoth system quite handily. But I'd say he's about as good as Maarek Steele and they both share pilot skill of 7.

That is quite well represented by his pilot ability though.

I think Pilot Skill 8-9 should really be reserved for the very best... Wedge, Soontir... I think Han Solo may even be pushing it at PS 9 and even Vader wasn't as good as Soontir.

At this point, I dare also say the T-65 x-wing being next to useless as well considering its massive lore advantages over the tie and to a more limited degree the intercepter,you got x-wings who regularly tear apart ties and interceptors and while agility is generally greator in both ships as well as speed in the intercepter the fact is between torpedos and shields as well as astromechs make the x-wing just a much better warship, and i just feel that never is the case in x-wing anymore.,

I think Pilot Skill 8-9 should really be reserved for the very best... Wedge, Soontir... I think Han Solo may even be pushing it at PS 9.

Yeah. I think 7 makes a lot of sense for video game characters because not every player masterfully piloted those characters. Could they be 9? Yes, but then that's why you have Veteran Instincts. But you could also get through those games without perfect flying.

Oh come on, what's so special about Fett? All he does is get sent to the Sarlacc pit by a bound, blind guy...

I don't get it either. OK, he figured what Han was about to do, and he could shoot better than the average stormtrooper (not that difficult). Other than that, just a psycho disintegrating folks, if going by the OT.

Rey being PS8

Hera being PS7

Ahsoka being PS7

Some guy who was dressed in toilet paper and onscreen for 2 seconds being PS9

Thane Kyrell being PS4 and in an ARC-170?

Tie/SF being a pup of a starfighter

T-70 (or at least black one) should have eight torpedo slots

Ello Asty not having Biggs's ability

Poe: "Whoa! This thing really moves!"

[Has no 5-straight.] And if green dice represent agility, why does this thing have only 2 when it can "really move?" It's just to give Imperial players a different flavor of ship, but it sure doesn't seem to fit the lore to me.

I keep seeing this and can't help but roll my eyes every time. You have to compare it to the X-wing he always flies. It can do a short hard turn that the X-wing isn't even capable of. That satisfies that quote for me.

I think Pilot Skill 8-9 should really be reserved for the very best... Wedge, Soontir... I think Han Solo may even be pushing it at PS 9.

Yeah. I think 7 makes a lot of sense for video game characters because not every player masterfully piloted those characters. Could they be 9? Yes, but then that's why you have Veteran Instincts. But you could also get through those games without perfect flying.

He served as an officer in the Imperial Navy, and afterward earned a well-deserved reputation as a reliable smuggler and hot-shot pilot. Even Lando called him "magic with anything that flies."

Dash was integral to recovering the Death Star II plans, he survived the attack on Hoth (taking out a few walkers to boot), he singlehandedly took out a swoop gang before they could assassinate Luke, and nearly beat Han Solo in a one-on-one race.

But yeah, sure, he was in a videogame, so let's make him a 7.

I think Pilot Skill 8-9 should really be reserved for the very best... Wedge, Soontir... I think Han Solo may even be pushing it at PS 9 and even Vader wasn't as good as Soontir.

... and Rey?

I think Pilot Skill 8-9 should really be reserved for the very best... Wedge, Soontir... I think Han Solo may even be pushing it at PS 9 and even Vader wasn't as good as Soontir.

... and Rey?

Luke situation, the force sensitive that can instantly transfer other skills into piloting.

I think Pilot Skill 8-9 should really be reserved for the very best... Wedge, Soontir... I think Han Solo may even be pushing it at PS 9.

Yeah. I think 7 makes a lot of sense for video game characters because not every player masterfully piloted those characters. Could they be 9? Yes, but then that's why you have Veteran Instincts. But you could also get through those games without perfect flying.

I respectfully disagree; lore should take priority over the constraints of its media. That would be like saying Soontir should be PS8 because he can be misplayed.

He served as an officer in the Imperial Navy, and afterward earned a well-deserved reputation as a reliable smuggler and hot-shot pilot. Even Lando called him "magic with anything that flies."

Dash was integral to recovering the Death Star II plans, he survived the attack on Hoth, he singlehandedly took out a swoop gang before they could assassinate Luke, and nearly beat Han Solo in a one-on-one race.

But yeah, sure, he was in a videogame, so let's make him a 7.

I guess it depends on how you see the character. In Dash's case, I can see your point. Personally, I see him as a video game player character first, and an expanded universe character second. I can see how others would view him the other way around, given that the whole Shadows of the Empire campaign was to put out a comic, novel, game, and soundtrack all at the same time. So I can concede Dash being an 8, sure. There are non-video game sources that record his exploits.

For Keyan Farlander and Maarek Stele, they were supposed to be you, the player, so I see them as tangential characters. There whole point as characters were to make you, the player feel very powerful as you defeat the undefeatable. I'm not saying "if a character is in a video game, it can't have pilot skill above 7." That's not my point at all. My point is that player characters in video games do amazing things, often far beyond the other heroes in the story, because they need the player to feel that they are awesome. Video games set up scenarios that don't make sense in traditional story-telling media and make these heroes look like prodigies, judging by all the skills they possess, when a traditional story wouldn't have them kick so much butt without at least having some losses.

Answer me this: Would an author have made Dash do all of those things if Dash were not the protagonist of a video game? I submit that he would not. It puts him too high above the other Star Wars legends. You accept that in a video game because Dash is really you and you want to feel mighty and unstoppable. But in a novel, that's boring and lazy, writing a character that excels at everything.

To me, the most epic lore fail is that of the Imperial Raider! In that this ship that FFG created for the game with the help of Lucasfilm has not shown up in any other media, or at the very least in the RPG line.