Vote: most epic lore fails by FFG

By xanderf, in X-Wing

The absence of any reference to Rogue Squadron anywhere.

The HWK.

Basically. Everything else is reasonably forgivable for me.

  • No barrell roll for the A-wing

The absence of any reference to Rogue Squadron anywhere.

The HWK.

Basically. Everything else is reasonably forgivable for me.

Having said that, the TIE S/F dial being no faster nor more manoeuvrable than an x-wing bugs me given one of the most memorable lines in TFA.

And it looks like maybe, the TIE striker not having a turret, too.

Does the Jumpmaster being among the most manoeuvrable ships in the game count as a fail/misrepresentation?

The B-wing comes to mind for me. The **** thing was built to be a capital ship killer, has a **** turbo laser mounted on the bottom and only has 3 attack?! I always felt it should have more health too.

But what ship does get four attack? The phantom. A ship with only three standard lasers.

The B-Wing has only 3 standard lasers as well, so the same reasoning should will make 3 ATK on the B-Wing primary ok then, no? It has the cannon slot to upgrade the firepower.

Not saying that the Phantom having 4 is ok, it should also be 3 in my opinion but well.

The B-wing comes to mind for me. The **** thing was built to be a capital ship killer, has a **** turbo laser mounted on the bottom and only has 3 attack?! I always felt it should have more health too.

But what ship does get four attack? The phantom. A ship with only three standard lasers.

Five... 5... Cinco... Fünf... Cinq... Go

The Phantom has five lasers.

I know people are still salty with this, and they want to make the argument anyways, but seriously.... Sometimes repeating a lie doesn't make it true.

Deal with it. The phantom fires 5 lasers simultaneously, which grants its 4 dice primary attack.

Edited by Jehan Menasis

Eh...lore takes a back seat to game mechanics. That's why the Phantom has an attack value of 4. It doesn't represent it's literal attack power, but is like that because the ship is built to be a fragile glass cannon that is either super offensive, or super defensive. If you really want to make it work, one way to justify it's attack value of 4 is to also apply it to the idea that it's dealing a sudden attack where no danger was perceived.

The B-wing comes to mind for me. The **** thing was built to be a capital ship killer, has a **** turbo laser mounted on the bottom and only has 3 attack?! I always felt it should have more health too.

But what ship does get four attack? The phantom. A ship with only three standard lasers.

Five... 5... Cinco... Fünf... Cinq... Go

The Phantom has five lasers.

I know people are still salty with this, and they want to make the argument anyways, but seriously.... Sometimes repeating a lie doesn't make it true.

Deal with it. The phantom fires 5 lasers simultaneously, which grants its 4 dice primary attack.

I think he means the assault Shuttle Phantom.

Okies, but I have many... be warned... xD

1- X-Wing not having a title such as Rogue Squadrons, which someone pointed out and I 999% agree
2- A-Wing being so weak as an interceptor fighter which this ship was designed for
3- Torpedoes and missiles have no important role like bombs have (and speaking outside U-Boats, you don't see X-Wings, Y-Wings or B-Wings carrying torpedoes)
4- Imperial Boba Fett Slave-1 not being good at all
5- Why the hell Quadjumper?! Unless this ship will shine somewhere in the future, otherwise, I only saw it being destroyed in the beggining of the Episode VII movie...
6- Emperor Palpatine not being nerfed...
7- No Heroes of the Resistance in the World tournament... D:
8- Assault Gunboat and T-Wing?
9- The new change of the stress rule in the FAQ
10- Luke Skywalker having a bad pilot ability

Edited by Seabook

The HWK !!!

But also :

- no rear arc on lambda

- "attack shuttle" with as much firepower as an x-wing

- generic "falcon" in HotR (stat-wise) has no sense

- TIE phantom getting 4 red dice, and the B-wing only 3

And of course the lack of a Gunboat :D

The TIE Phantom has 5 laser cannons, so 4 attack dice is not completely far-fetched...

(agree with everything else)

Rey being PS8

Hera being PS7

Ahsoka being PS7

Some guy who was dressed in toilet paper and onscreen for 2 seconds being PS9

Thane Kyrell being PS4 and in an ARC-170?

Tie/SF being a pup of a starfighter

T-70 (or at least black one) should have eight torpedo slots

Ello Asty not having Biggs's ability

My picks:

- The HWK (everything).

- The Jumpmaster (stats, dial and upgrades).

- (all) missiles/torpedoes ranges and mechanic.

- No rear arc for the Lambda (I blame the bad auxiliary arc rules).

- Swapped shields/hull for the B-Wing.

- The TIE/sf (supposed to be very fast and have mag-pulse torpedoes).

- The TIE Punisher (boost, really? this abomination shouldn't even be in the game)

- SLAM released without Missile Boat.

- Some pilots in ships they didn't pilot (or barely did): Corran, Stele...

- Some large ships with 2 defense, while some small based fighters have 1 green dice.

- Imperial Firesprays.

- No Assault Gunboat.

- Some pilots too high PS (Talonbane, Rey, Dengar) for the pilot's "real" skill.

T-70 (or at least black one) should have eight torpedo slots

The X-Wing T-70 has 1 torpedo launcher, which holds 8 torpedoes - unfortunately this game counts that as only 1 torpedo upgrade slot. (see my missile/torpedo mechanics rant above)

I suppose the Black One fired more than 8 torpedoes in TFA, but 8 torpedo upgrade slots is insane (not even heavy armed large ships would have that).

Well I don't think it is a lore fail as much as it is a mechanics design choice. I mean if you tried to do firepower per cannon X-wing would have 4 attack and B-wing would only have 3 while TIEs would still have 2.

So quad jumper is a civilian ship just like the HWK (but so is the YT-1300). Thing is so many people complained about the HWKs 1 firepower and the fact at the time there were no good turrets to pair it up with. So FFG decided that 1 firepower ships would not be made again.

T-70 (or at least black one) should have eight torpedo slots

The X-Wing T-70 has 1 torpedo launcher, which holds 8 torpedoes - unfortunately this game counts that as only 1 torpedo upgrade slot. (see my missile/torpedo mechanics rant above)

I suppose the Black One fired more than 8 torpedoes in TFA, but 8 torpedo upgrade slots is insane (not even heavy armed large ships would have that).

I agree, some missiles and torpedoes should be fired more than once. I never liked this limitation on fighters that have a single torpedo/missile slot like X-Wing that can't shot any torpedo more than once.

Edited by Seabook

The HWK !!!

But also :

- no rear arc on lambda

- "attack shuttle" with as much firepower as an x-wing

- generic "falcon" in HotR (stat-wise) has no sense

- TIE phantom getting 4 red dice, and the B-wing only 3

And of course the lack of a Gunboat :D

Many have said these; I'll add the Punisher that can punish and......a hearty!!

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The Quadjumper would've been a great little ship with no attack but other ways to influence the playing field.

It's a tugboat, "when you overlap a ship, instead of moving back along the template, move the other ship until it no longer overlaps".

0 attack, moves backwards and forwards, several industrial tractor beams, towing asteroids around.

I would have said Maarek Steele not being in a defender, but that was fixed.

OK, Maarek Steele not being in a Gunboat.

(he's essentially the Imperial Sabine Wren).

Rey being PS8

Hera being PS7

Ahsoka being PS7

Some guy who was dressed in toilet paper and onscreen for 2 seconds being PS9

Thane Kyrell being PS4 and in an ARC-170?

Tie/SF being a pup of a starfighter

T-70 (or at least black one) should have eight torpedo slots

Ello Asty not having Biggs's ability

Yes!! Why in the **** would FFG promote this dude over Fett?? I recalled when I saw the line-up of bounty hunters getting instructions from Vader; I thought "who is that?" He looks as if he's spent too much time dumpster diving behind an all-you-can eat restaurant or something. What?? PS9? Yeah, this is now my biggest beef with FFG.

Rey being PS8

Hera being PS7

Ahsoka being PS7

Some guy who was dressed in toilet paper and onscreen for 2 seconds being PS9

Thane Kyrell being PS4 and in an ARC-170?

Tie/SF being a pup of a starfighter

T-70 (or at least black one) should have eight torpedo slots

Ello Asty not having Biggs's ability

Yes!! Why in the **** would FFG promote this dude over Fett?? I recalled when I saw the line-up of bounty hunters getting instructions from Vader; I thought "who is that?" He looks as if he's spent too much time dumpster diving behind an all-you-can eat restaurant or something. What?? PS9? Yeah, this is now my biggest beef with FFG.

Thats not FFG promoting, thats the source material about Dengar speaking. In his youth he was a rival to Han Solo at swoop-biking (and those skill apareantly transfer well into spaceships). Han cheated at a race, which consequented in Dengar crahsing. Now he has some implants that enhance his skills. Dengar is a weak bounty hunter, but he definitly is a great pilot.

Rey being PS8

Hera being PS7

Ahsoka being PS7

Some guy who was dressed in toilet paper and onscreen for 2 seconds being PS9

Thane Kyrell being PS4 and in an ARC-170?

Tie/SF being a pup of a starfighter

T-70 (or at least black one) should have eight torpedo slots

Ello Asty not having Biggs's ability

Yes!! Why in the **** would FFG promote this dude over Fett?? I recalled when I saw the line-up of bounty hunters getting instructions from Vader; I thought "who is that?" He looks as if he's spent too much time dumpster diving behind an all-you-can eat restaurant or something. What?? PS9? Yeah, this is now my biggest beef with FFG.

Thats not FFG promoting, thats the source material about Dengar speaking. In his youth he was a rival to Han Solo at swoop-biking (and those skill apareantly transfer well into spaceships). Han cheated at a race, which consequented in Dengar crahsing. Now he has some implants that enhance his skills. Dengar is a weak bounty hunter, but he definitly is a great pilot.

And the Bounty Hunter Trilogy made clear, that Dengar is a better pilot than Fett. With Fett beeing the better bounty hunter.

Rey being PS8

Hera being PS7

Ahsoka being PS7

Some guy who was dressed in toilet paper and onscreen for 2 seconds being PS9

Thane Kyrell being PS4 and in an ARC-170?

Tie/SF being a pup of a starfighter

T-70 (or at least black one) should have eight torpedo slots

Ello Asty not having Biggs's ability

Yes!! Why in the **** would FFG promote this dude over Fett?? I recalled when I saw the line-up of bounty hunters getting instructions from Vader; I thought "who is that?" He looks as if he's spent too much time dumpster diving behind an all-you-can eat restaurant or something. What?? PS9? Yeah, this is now my biggest beef with FFG.

Thats not FFG promoting, thats the source material about Dengar speaking. In his youth he was a rival to Han Solo at swoop-biking (and those skill apareantly transfer well into spaceships). Han cheated at a race, which consequented in Dengar crahsing. Now he has some implants that enhance his skills. Dengar is a weak bounty hunter, but he definitly is a great pilot.

Thanks for the background; I'm pretty much only knowledgeable on the movies and books promoted/composed by Lucas Arts regarding art, screenplay, etc. You sir, like lots on this forum, are very intelligent; thanks!

But still, come on....I think IG88 is pretty spot-on as well as Bossk, and others perhaps....but come on, Fett should be the lord of these scum; and above them in ship, weapons, abilities, etc. So FFG stunk this one up by either under designing him or over designing the later releases. I guess it's bounty hunter power curve. This stinks; I think FFG buggered this faction the most, it's messed up, in my opinion (albeit very uneducated in contrast to you guys).

Oh come on, what's so special about Fett? All he does is get sent to the Sarlacc pit by a bound, blind guy...

Oh come on, what's so special about Fett? All he does is get sent to the Sarlacc pit by a bound, blind guy...

Absolutely nothing, even his father thought it was clever to run at Samuel L. Jackson.

Rey being PS8

Hera being PS7

Ahsoka being PS7

Some guy who was dressed in toilet paper and onscreen for 2 seconds being PS9

Thane Kyrell being PS4 and in an ARC-170?

Tie/SF being a pup of a starfighter

T-70 (or at least black one) should have eight torpedo slots

Ello Asty not having Biggs's ability

Yes!! Why in the **** would FFG promote this dude over Fett?? I recalled when I saw the line-up of bounty hunters getting instructions from Vader; I thought "who is that?" He looks as if he's spent too much time dumpster diving behind an all-you-can eat restaurant or something. What?? PS9? Yeah, this is now my biggest beef with FFG.

Thats not FFG promoting, thats the source material about Dengar speaking. In his youth he was a rival to Han Solo at swoop-biking (and those skill apareantly transfer well into spaceships). Han cheated at a race, which consequented in Dengar crahsing. Now he has some implants that enhance his skills. Dengar is a weak bounty hunter, but he definitly is a great pilot.

The problem is, if you are going by the source material at least be consistent. Some guy who in his actual Clone Wars appearance is a bumbling fool is then represented by a PS9 when you have a man who managed to fly a freighter into and out of a death star on a PS7 whilst it was exploding. You have a Jedi Clone Wars veteran who was trained by Anakin Skywalker and flew point in his squadrons on a PS7.