Another crazy idea... the best players are winning, rather than the best lists.

Another crazy idea... the best players are winning, rather than the best lists.

Woah now, don't be ridiculous.

Omaha Regionals are up on List Juggler.

http://lists.starwarsclubhouse.com/get_tourney_details?tourney_id=2297

Winning list was TWO bumpmasters and one torpedo boat, all with mindlink. 9-0 on the day.

[edit] Correction: the two bumpmaster and torpedo boat came in SECOND, losing to RAC + Echo.

I can't wait for all the net-deckers to try and figure out Echo Easy pickens incoming!

Congratulations goes to this list! Wish I could have seen how well he flew Echo, hands down must have been amazing seeing all the VI Rey and PS9 aces in the field. I faced the 2nd place list and felt lucky enough to get one of them to half with my Palp/Carnor/Maarek. Anti-pursuit lasers never triggered in my game either.

Omaha Regionals are up on List Juggler.

http://lists.starwarsclubhouse.com/get_tourney_details?tourney_id=2297

Winning list was TWO bumpmasters and one torpedo boat, all with mindlink. 9-0 on the day.

[edit] Correction: the two bumpmaster and torpedo boat came in SECOND, losing to RAC + Echo.

I can't wait for all the net-deckers to try and figure out Echo Easy pickens incoming!

Congratulations goes to this list! Wish I could have seen how well he flew Echo, hands down must have been amazing seeing all the VI Rey and PS9 aces in the field. I faced the 2nd place list and felt lucky enough to get one of them to half with my Palp/Carnor/Maarek. Anti-pursuit lasers never triggered in my game either.

Doug Howe is a Kansas City guy I play and dojo with regularly. You will likely not find a better Echo pilot out there anywhere. He beat my Dash+Norra list in the semi-finals (which contrary to the list juggler score, was 100-60, rather than 100-0).

I knew going into that tournament that if we played, he would beat me. Flying against Echo with my list relies on the opponent making a mistake, allowing me to capitalize on it to kill Echo. Doug, quite simply, does not make mistakes when flying that ship.

Omaha Regionals are up on List Juggler.

http://lists.starwarsclubhouse.com/get_tourney_details?tourney_id=2297

Winning list was TWO bumpmasters and one torpedo boat, all with mindlink. 9-0 on the day.

[edit] Correction: the two bumpmaster and torpedo boat came in SECOND, losing to RAC + Echo.

I can't wait for all the net-deckers to try and figure out Echo Easy pickens incoming!

Congratulations goes to this list! Wish I could have seen how well he flew Echo, hands down must have been amazing seeing all the VI Rey and PS9 aces in the field. I faced the 2nd place list and felt lucky enough to get one of them to half with my Palp/Carnor/Maarek. Anti-pursuit lasers never triggered in my game either.

Thanks man! I actually never fought Rey (Or Poe to my great displeasure), so i got a little lucky in that aspect. I did face a Fenn, and a Dengar, and that's where Hot Shot really paid off on chirpy! its actually pretty hard to hit a phantom that has Kallus and evade, when you can never focus on offense =D

I was running the triple Jump list that faced Dougs Echo+Deci list. I was not expecting a Phantom, let alone Echo. He's a hard bugger to corral .

Super well flown by Doug. A true pleasure to fly against!

Congrats Doug!

I'd not really paid much attention to hot shot co-pilot. Is it much more powerful in high PS pilots? I don't really get how it helps a list. Grateful for any personal insight you have!

Omaha Regionals are up on List Juggler.

http://lists.starwarsclubhouse.com/get_tourney_details?tourney_id=2297

Winning list was TWO bumpmasters and one torpedo boat, all with mindlink. 9-0 on the day.

[edit] Correction: the two bumpmaster and torpedo boat came in SECOND, losing to RAC + Echo.

I can't wait for all the net-deckers to try and figure out Echo Easy pickens incoming!

Congratulations goes to this list! Wish I could have seen how well he flew Echo, hands down must have been amazing seeing all the VI Rey and PS9 aces in the field. I faced the 2nd place list and felt lucky enough to get one of them to half with my Palp/Carnor/Maarek. Anti-pursuit lasers never triggered in my game either.

Doug Howe is a Kansas City guy I play and dojo with regularly. You will likely not find a better Echo pilot out there anywhere. He beat my Dash+Norra list in the semi-finals (which contrary to the list juggler score, was 100-60, rather than 100-0).

I knew going into that tournament that if we played, he would beat me. Flying against Echo with my list relies on the opponent making a mistake, allowing me to capitalize on it to kill Echo. Doug, quite simply, does not make mistakes when flying that ship.

Bringing Echo (or any Phantom, really) or a Decimator to a competitive event, despite being two of my favorite ships to fly, gives me anxiety.

I placed top 16 in the MA regionals w/ Whisper in a list, and found that she really hates TLTs (first match was a blisteringly close Thug Life match up, and I ran into two more TLT heavy lists, despite it being in the era of the JumpMaster).

Now, with TLTs having less overt predators, and there being new-shiny high PS pilots...

Man, this guy must really be able to fly. I have so many questions as to how they handle certain match-ups.

I'd not really paid much attention to hot shot co-pilot. Is it much more powerful in high PS pilots? I don't really get how it helps a list. Grateful for any personal insight you have!

The particular combo he had was really good and one I hadn't thought of before -- HSCP + Gunner. See, Gunner against a lot of things out there isn't that great, because they can choose which tokens to spend and basically bring your damage down to one; and one damage per round isn't great against Dengar or Defenders. Co-Pilot forces them to spend that focus on the first shot, often causing it to miss; and then you follow up with the Gunner shot against a softened-up target. Besides which, it strips the focus before the target can shoot Echo (which really messes with Norra, among others).

I'd not really paid much attention to hot shot co-pilot. Is it much more powerful in high PS pilots? I don't really get how it helps a list. Grateful for any personal insight you have!

Hot cop is insanely good on a high PS ship... especially with Gunner. He would blank out on his first shot, make me spend my focus, then use gunner to shoot against my now token-less ship. It was especially effective since I almost always wanted my focus on attack since I was using R4 Agromech to convert the focus to TL for the next round.

Oh dang, that's an interesting mechanic. Assume with Poe he has to spend the focus and isn't allowed to use his ability right?

Oh dang, that's an interesting mechanic. Assume with Poe he has to spend the focus and isn't allowed to use his ability right?

Yeah, that RAC setup with gunner and HSCP is a HARD counter to Poe.

Omaha Regionals are up on List Juggler.

http://lists.starwarsclubhouse.com/get_tourney_details?tourney_id=2297

Winning list was TWO bumpmasters and one torpedo boat, all with mindlink. 9-0 on the day.

[edit] Correction: the two bumpmaster and torpedo boat came in SECOND, losing to RAC + Echo.

I can't wait for all the net-deckers to try and figure out Echo Easy pickens incoming!

Congratulations goes to this list! Wish I could have seen how well he flew Echo, hands down must have been amazing seeing all the VI Rey and PS9 aces in the field. I faced the 2nd place list and felt lucky enough to get one of them to half with my Palp/Carnor/Maarek. Anti-pursuit lasers never triggered in my game either.

Doug Howe is a Kansas City guy I play and dojo with regularly. You will likely not find a better Echo pilot out there anywhere. He beat my Dash+Norra list in the semi-finals (which contrary to the list juggler score, was 100-60, rather than 100-0).

I knew going into that tournament that if we played, he would beat me. Flying against Echo with my list relies on the opponent making a mistake, allowing me to capitalize on it to kill Echo. Doug, quite simply, does not make mistakes when flying that ship.

Bringing Echo (or any Phantom, really) or a Decimator to a competitive event, despite being two of my favorite ships to fly, gives me anxiety.

I placed top 16 in the MA regionals w/ Whisper in a list, and found that she really hates TLTs (first match was a blisteringly close Thug Life match up, and I ran into two more TLT heavy lists, despite it being in the era of the JumpMaster).

Now, with TLTs having less overt predators, and there being new-shiny high PS pilots...

Man, this guy must really be able to fly. I have so many questions as to how they handle certain match-ups.

I'm guessing you mean match-ups that are bad for Echo? The answer for that is to fly with no fear. Screen with RAC and force them to take worse shots at the phantom if they want. And if they do, accept that Echo will probably die, just get enough damage in for RAC to clean up (Also Evade every turn, between it and Kallus, you dodge 2-3 more often than not.)

Leiden (Netherlands) had a Regional during Worlds:

http://lists.starwarsclubhouse.com/get_tourney_details?tourney_id=2255

Winning list:

Fenn Rau + Attanni Mindlink + Concord Dawn Protector + Autothrusters
Asajj Ventress + Attanni Mindlink + Latts Razzi
Manaroo + Attanni Mindlink
(100)

Was there any stream for the Omaha regional? I gotta see that Echo play.

Finals in San Diego, Dengaroo vs Palp-defenders.

...and Dengaroo won.

Who is this Palp-Defender player, that I may slap him upside the head for such incompetence?

(only partially joking. I seriously do not understand how you lose that matchup...)

Finals in San Diego, Dengaroo vs Palp-defenders.

...and Dengaroo won.

Who is this Palp-Defender player, that I may slap him upside the head for such incompetence?

(only partially joking. I seriously do not understand how you lose that matchup...)

Easy, you fire at Dengar while in his arc = game over.

Finals in San Diego, Dengaroo vs Palp-defenders.

...and Dengaroo won.

Who is this Palp-Defender player, that I may slap him upside the head for such incompetence?

(only partially joking. I seriously do not understand how you lose that matchup...)

Easy, you fire at Dengar while in his arc = game over.

There are actually people out there silly enough to still do that?

(not joking at all on that one)

Was there any stream for the Omaha regional? I gotta see that Echo play.

No, our IT/streaming Guru was working and the store was way too packed to fit a stream table in anyway.

Any Results from the San Diego Regional? Lists? Winner?

What I have been able to gather so far is:

Top 16:

1)

The Inquisitor — TIE Advanced Prototype 25

Push the Limit 3
Proton Rockets 3
Autothrusters 2
TIE/v1 1

Colonel Vessery — TIE Defender 35
Veteran Instincts 1
Ion Cannon 3
TIE/D 0

“Omega Leader” — TIE/fo Fighter 21
Juke 2
Comm Relay 3

2)

Braylen Stramm — ARC-170 25
Gunner 5
R3-A2 2
Alliance Overhaul 0

Warden Squadron Pilot — K-Wing 23
Twin Laser Turret 6
Extra Munitions 2
Sabine Wren 2
Proximity Mines 3
Cluster Mines 4
Advanced SLAM 2

Tarn Mison — X-Wing 23
R7 Astromech 2
Integrated Astromech 0

Top 4:

1)

Miranda Doni — K-Wing 29
Twin Laser Turret 6
Extra Munitions 2
Homing Missiles 5
Sabine Wren 2
Conner Net 4
Ion Bombs 2
Advanced SLAM 2

Gold Squadron Pilot — Y-Wing 18
Twin Laser Turret 6

Gold Squadron Pilot — Y-Wing 18
Twin Laser Turret 6

I ran the Tarn/Braylenn/WSP list in San Diego and was 8th in Swiss, but lost the first round of the top-16 cut. As I recall, the other top 15 included:

4-TLT (first after Swiss and out in round 1 of the cut)

Miranda plus 2 TLT, top 4

Denagroo, won,

2 Palpatine Defenders lists, one runner up, one top 8

Palp, Wampa , OL, Inquisitor, top 8

RAC, Inquisitor, Ryad (?), top 8

Ryad, Inquisitor, OL, 15th after swiss,top 16

Falcon/Jake, top 8

Rey/Nora, 9th after swiss, top 4

Palp, Soontir, Maerek,7th after swiss, top 16

A triple defenders list of some kind, top 16

I cannot remember the others.

Oh dang, that's an interesting mechanic. Assume with Poe he has to spend the focus and isn't allowed to use his ability right?

Yeah, that RAC setup with gunner and HSCP is a HARD counter to Poe.

Just to be perfectly clear, Poe is still "allowed" to use his ability, but whether he does or not, the Focus must be spent at some point, not merely used. Net result is still all eyeballs are hits/evades and Poe is Focus-less, but he's still "allowed" to use his ability up until he's spent the Focus.

Oh dang, that's an interesting mechanic. Assume with Poe he has to spend the focus and isn't allowed to use his ability right?

Yeah, that RAC setup with gunner and HSCP is a HARD counter to Poe.

Just to be perfectly clear, Poe is still "allowed" to use his ability, but whether he does or not, the Focus must be spent at some point, not merely used. Net result is still all eyeballs are hits/evades and Poe is Focus-less, but he's still "allowed" to use his ability up until he's spent the Focus.

R2-D2/Sensor Cluster Poe doesn't mind this so much. Since you can spend the Focus to convert a blank OR spend it to convert all eyes to evades (even if there are no eyes), there's a decent chance of taking only 1 damage and preventing the gunner shot (I think, don't quote me on this).

Oh dang, that's an interesting mechanic. Assume with Poe he has to spend the focus and isn't allowed to use his ability right?

Yeah, that RAC setup with gunner and HSCP is a HARD counter to Poe.

Just to be perfectly clear, Poe is still "allowed" to use his ability, but whether he does or not, the Focus must be spent at some point, not merely used. Net result is still all eyeballs are hits/evades and Poe is Focus-less, but he's still "allowed" to use his ability up until he's spent the Focus.

R2-D2/Sensor Cluster Poe doesn't mind this so much. Since you can spend the Focus to convert a blank OR spend it to convert all eyes to evades (even if there are no eyes), there's a decent chance of taking only 1 damage and preventing the gunner shot (I think, don't quote me on this).

That's assuming that they spent their stuff to modify the first shot. I think the clear way to do it is RAC takes the first shot, does not modify, you are looking at likely 2 hits. Now, the Poe player can spend the focus un-optimally. But that will still leave Poe without his Focus for RAC's wingman. Which is a very big win.

True. I suppose I should clarify that I don't think it's a GOOD matchup, just less bad of a matchup as compared to R5-P9 Poe.

Seems to me that R2-D2 Poe has a chance of pulling through with some fancy flying. R5-P9 Poe is just dead if he's anywhere in range.

Granted, either Poe is dead if flown by me.