the two defeats still burn
If you really think anyone is upset about someone not from the US winning Worlds... Well I just don't know what else to say because you are sooooo far off track even a GPS won't help.
Obviously FFG booked the entire global event yesterday after the tournament wrapped up on Sunday.
If you really think anyone is upset about someone not from the US winning Worlds... Well I just don't know what else to say because you are sooooo far off track even a GPS won't help.the two defeats still burn
it's a joke man... but i really don't understand why only 3 sos out of USA
As an American living (and playing X-Wing) in Europe, I was surprised that there were 7 opens in Europe and just 1 in the US last season, though obviously I wasn't going to complain about a surplus of X-Wing awesomeness. Anyway, now that things have been inverted I think that there are a few things that should be taken into account before passing judgment.
First, if I remember correctly, Brits won the opens in England, Denmark and Italy, while Spanish won in Spain and France, so it really gives the impression that the same groups of people are traveling around to multiple events (for example: I met the Reed family in Birmingham and again in Lucca). Furthermore, there were over 200 people at the Spanish open, 400 in the UK, and 110 in France and 90 in Italy, and the foreign contingents in the latter two were at least 15-20 people each (to my knowledge). After taking into account the relatively low turnouts in some of the opens means that it doesn't come as a surprise to me now that they've removed a few from Europe, but going from 7 to 3 is pretty harsh, particularly as the Danish and Polish opens also saw upwards of 150 people at each. I agree that the US was sorely lacking last season, but now I feel that the the pendulum has swung too far in the other direction, though this is probably because (as others have already mentioned) the location of the Star Wars Celebration has a large influence on the amount of money that FFG is willing to spend on plane tickets.
All that being said, if I were the event organizer and were limited to choose 8 locations worldwide, I think that the ideal case would be to give 1 to the Aussies/Kiwis/SE Asians, and try to divide the remaining 7 evenly between the North America and Europe, with maybe 1 going back and forth depending on where the Celebration will be. Some might disagree as the US is bigger than western Europe, but the population of just western Europe, which is where most European X-Wing is played, outstrips the US by around 90 million. On the other hand there might well be more X-Wing players in the North America than in Europe, but I think that keeping it close to a 50/50 ratio is probably the best way to go. Unfortunately, I'm not a FFG event planner with cash to burn.
Edited by darthlurkerIt's all about where the Celebration is and the cost of flying the winners to the event. Celebration Europe...7 Opens in Europe; Celebration Florida, 5 Opens in the US.
I do feel for the Australian/Asian area not having one though
This is some BS last year SOS events in Europe in terms of attendence were
1. England 400
2. Spain 200
3. Poland 180
yet Germany get's a SOS event...
And the population of both is...?
Don't feel too bad euros, my nearest System open is in San Diego, 11,350 kms away!
And the population of both is...?
About the same actually... Based on some quick math and Google... The areas included there come to about 400 million vs 320 million for the US.
If 25% difference is "about the same to you"...
Also, why was Germany picked when it was one of the smaller events with most of the tickets reserved for the German-speaking countries (so not really Open at all)?
It strikes me as likely that they looked at unique attendence at their previous series and shuffled their System Opens around to accomodate more people.
Also, why was Germany picked when it was one of the smaller events with most of the tickets reserved for the German-speaking countries (so not really Open at all)?
If I had to make a guess, I would say they decided the number of European opens first, kept the two biggest and then put the last one geographically between the next two biggest (Poland and Denmark).
Now... The game is in expansion... why only 8 events... i Hope The SOS became 16...
Population of EU is about 500 milion. US is 320 IIRC. So statistically speaking 8 tournaments should be split 5/3 between the two continents, assuming of course you have no plans to organize them elsewhere. We don't know the comparative populations of actual players though. I doubt it's skewed that much more towards US however. Juggler certainly doesn't suggest so.
Edited by LightrockPopulation of EU is about 500 milion. US is 320 IIRC. So statistically speaking 8 tournaments should be split 5/3 between the two continents, assuming of course you have no plans to organize them elsewhere. We don't know the comparative populations of actual players though. I doubt it's skewed that much more towards US however. Juggler certainly doesn't suggest so.
Did you remember to subtract 64 million?
As a Brit living in NZ, I feel that the rest of the world is obviously very scared of the X-Wing players in the southern hemisphere and Asia :-)
It would have been funny to have the Tour De Fance in the US during all those years that Lance Armstrong was winning it.
To be honest I was just thinking of X-Wing but yeah I did make a fairly blanket statement that does hold up.
There are some events out there that move depending on who won them, but most of them either have some sort of bidding process like the Olympics or the Super Bowl, are held where the people playing are, like the World Series or Stanley Cup...
Or have some place chosen for some other reason. I get that people in places other than the US or really even other then the midwest would like to see Worlds somewhere else. But FFG is the one hosting it so they'll host it wherever works best for them.
Asmodee has its headquarters in Paris … just saying. Maybe 2018?
Population of EU is about 500 milion. US is 320 IIRC. So statistically speaking 8 tournaments should be split 5/3 between the two continents, assuming of course you have no plans to organize them elsewhere. We don't know the comparative populations of actual players though. I doubt it's skewed that much more towards US however. Juggler certainly doesn't suggest so.
I think that you also need to look at travel time for the populations and not just population as a whole. If the goal is to get the largest number of players they can to have a 12 hour or less drive to an event then Europe doesn't really need much more than 3. The 5 in the US get much of the US (and Canada and Mexico) within 12 hours of an event but not all of it.
I'd also wager that the events were Eurocentric last year because of the location of the Star Wars celebration. This year the celebration is in the US (though it is being held in the section of the mainland country furthest away from any of the preliminary events).
The countries chosen also probably have something to do with the logistics of FFG or Asmodee employees being able to travel to and work the events.
Edited by WWHSDEdited by balindamoodOr Australia doesn't get one at all. Or there are only 3 in the US. I live in the US and I think the closest for me is an 18 hour drive.
Population of EU is about 500 milion. US is 320 IIRC. So statistically speaking 8 tournaments should be split 5/3 between the two continents, assuming of course you have no plans to organize them elsewhere. We don't know the comparative populations of actual players though. I doubt it's skewed that much more towards US however. Juggler certainly doesn't suggest so.
Did you remember to subtract 64 million?
Oh you mean 59 million? 
#independentscotlandineu
Anyway, not happening this season... yet.
If we're playing the population game, you really should add Canada (35M) and probably Mexico too (120M+) to the US total. All over a much, much larger land mass.
Last season, the 3 closest regionals were 400km away in different directions, can you say the same about any sizeable town in Europe?
Population of EU is about 500 milion. US is 320 IIRC. So statistically speaking 8 tournaments should be split 5/3 between the two continents, assuming of course you have no plans to organize them elsewhere. We don't know the comparative populations of actual players though. I doubt it's skewed that much more towards US however. Juggler certainly doesn't suggest so.
Did you remember to subtract 64 million?
Oh you mean 59 million?
Anyway, not happening this season... yet.
EU, schmufu, europe has 700 million people in a relative close area, you reach more people with more events IF everyone would play.
But I am gonna bet that americans, british people and the german language region cover at least 2/3 of all X-Wing players anyway. Space and air combat has a special fascination in germany, the usa and the uk. Per capita the germans are usually with the highest headcount, sometimes in space sims even rivaling the total numbers of the americans.
And in the end the numbers of players and their travel times are most relevant, you have one event in germany and cover most european players with that, especially if in south or central germany.
Edited by SEApocalypseBut I am gonna bet that americans, british people and the german language region cover at least 2/3 of all X-Wing players anyway. Space and air combat has a special fascination in germany, the usa and the uk. Per capita the germans are usually with the highest headcount, sometimes in space sims even rivaling the total numbers of the americans.
Actually juggler's heatmap shows Germany as relatively light on X-wing tournaments. It seems like Poland has a much more robust tournament scene. It might be just that for some reason Germans simply don't upload their tournament results that much. That said, German SoS was definitely not as large as those in Poland and Denmark so there must be something to that map.
The people from Poland who went to the German SoS said the event was small, expensive and with poor prize support.
We have a very active scene in Poland, 5 or 6 regionals this season with at least 32 players each (and most in the 50s) with 100+ people team championship on top.
Edited by costiWhy couldn't there be one in Canada ,Toronto or Vancouver or something like that
This is some BS last year SOS events in Europe in terms of attendence were
1. England 400
2. Spain 200
3. Poland 180
yet Germany get's a SOS event...
Poland, Spain and the UK are much farther, and more expensive, travel for players in the Netherlands, Belgium, Denmark and further north, especially depending on where it will actually be held in Germany.
With Poland and Spain you also have a language barrier and with the UK there may be travel restrictions (doubt it) depending on what happens should they make up their mind on leaving the EU or not.
