The DNC is to blame for this, 100%. They cheated Bernie off the ballot and instead put out Hillary. The one person Trump could conceivably beat. Bernie had everything that made Trump palatable to the independents (namely the will to change the establishment) and what made Hillary attractive (Experience) without the huge drawbacks to both (not a ignorant billionaire nor a lying sociopath).
It's here, it's finally here! Election Day!
I a non american really didn't think this would happen but here we are now, so let'S hope it will be not as bad as predicted and you will only have to endure him for four years.
The DNC is to blame for this, 100%. They cheated Bernie off the ballot and instead put out Hillary. The one person Trump could conceivably beat. Bernie had everything that made Trump palatable to the independents (namely the will to change the establishment) and what made Hillary attractive (Experience) without the huge drawbacks to both (not a ignorant billionaire nor a lying sociopath).
Look at the reasons people turned out in exit polls. They loved what Trump promised. No more muslims. Wall. Trade War.
If people start the BS narrative that we can win this by going left now it'll be decades before any progress is made cleaning up Trump's mess.
Edited by TasteTheRainbowI'm disgusted with Trump and scared at what he'll do, but let's not pretend that Clinton was — in any way, shape, or form — a better candidate. Neither her nor Trump represent true conservative values that would get ou nation back to where it needs to be. We don't want a socialist nation, and that's exactly where Clinton wante to take us. I absolutely reject the notion that Trump will be worse for our society than Clinton.
This vote is our answer to the Fermi Paradox. This is why space is quiet. Because even intelligent species are too stupid to defend against themselves.
We don't want a socialist nation, and that's exactly where Clinton wante to take us.
And some of us do not.
As someone from the UK who considers the views I hold very much socialist and even communist in lots of ways I get the impression that in the USA socialist / socialism is seen as dirty word by large parts of the population. Would that be correct?
If so what is it that large parts of the US population dislike so much?
The fact that Budgernaut thinks that Hillary Clinton stood in any way for socialism makes me wonder how different the definition might actually be at different sides of the Atlantic.
Edited by Richard_Thomas_
That's not even remotely true. He just flat out received far less votes. And he would have been slaughtered on stage telling a general audience he was about to raise taxes.The DNC is to blame for this, 100%. They cheated Bernie off the ballot and instead put out Hillary. The one person Trump could conceivably beat. Bernie had everything that made Trump palatable to the independents (namely the will to change the establishment) and what made Hillary attractive (Experience) without the huge drawbacks to both (not a ignorant billionaire nor a lying sociopath).
Look at the reasons people turned out in exit polls. They loved what Trump promised. No more muslims. Wall. Trade War.
If people start the BS narrative that we can win this by going left now it'll be decades before any progress is made cleaning up Trump's mess.
He received less votes because the DNC threw all their weight and money behind Hillary from the beginning, Bernie was essentially forced to go grass roots and still did extremely well. Notice I didn't say DEMOCRATS handed it to Hillary I specifically called out the DNC. That's been a fact since the primary.
Plus, that's NOT what won him the election. What won him the election was the dissatisfaction with the way our entire government operates. Hillary lost the independents because she was a career politician, who flip flopped constantly, lied, cheated, and didn't even try to campaign she just threw up I am not trump everywhere.
I voted third party, because I hated both of these clowns. This just underlines the problem with a two party system. People have to choose "do I want a misogynist bigot? or a pathological liar who might start another war" It would be nice to be able to actually choose a candidate I don't find appalling.
That's not even remotely true. He just flat out received far less votes. And he would have been slaughtered on stage telling a general audience he was about to raise taxes.The DNC is to blame for this, 100%. They cheated Bernie off the ballot and instead put out Hillary. The one person Trump could conceivably beat. Bernie had everything that made Trump palatable to the independents (namely the will to change the establishment) and what made Hillary attractive (Experience) without the huge drawbacks to both (not a ignorant billionaire nor a lying sociopath).
Look at the reasons people turned out in exit polls. They loved what Trump promised. No more muslims. Wall. Trade War.
If people start the BS narrative that we can win this by going left now it'll be decades before any progress is made cleaning up Trump's mess.
Amazing, I am still expecting Trump to get 10th in the GOP primaries, so he continues to outperform, which we will need especially with the coming problems. Unfortunatel,y Trump has a huge mess to clean up from his predecessor as prior problems are made much worse. Obama issued more treasury than any president in history! Debt Debt Debt. Publications like this get next to zero attention but here is the problem outlined by the CBO. There is a huge huge problem to deal with as we are heading towards a fiscal cliff. Honesty this is problem numbero uno for me.
People really need to stop blindly voting their party (I'm looking at you, Republicans who hated trump but refuse to vote for a Democrat so voted for him) and realize there were 4 candidates on the ballot. The parties are the problem and if they weren't allowed so much power and influence, we might not be in this mess.
The only vote thrown away is the one that's not cast.
Amazing, I am still expecting Trump to get 10th in the GOP primaries, so he continues to outperform, which we will need especially with the coming problems. Unfortunatel,y Trump has a huge mess to clean up from his predecessor as prior problems are made much worse. Obama issued more treasury than any president in history! Debt Debt Debt. Publications like this get next to zero attention but here is the problem outlined by the CBO. There is a huge huge problem to deal with as we are heading towards a fiscal cliff. Honesty this is problem numbero uno for me.That's not even remotely true. He just flat out received far less votes. And he would have been slaughtered on stage telling a general audience he was about to raise taxes.The DNC is to blame for this, 100%. They cheated Bernie off the ballot and instead put out Hillary. The one person Trump could conceivably beat. Bernie had everything that made Trump palatable to the independents (namely the will to change the establishment) and what made Hillary attractive (Experience) without the huge drawbacks to both (not a ignorant billionaire nor a lying sociopath).
Look at the reasons people turned out in exit polls. They loved what Trump promised. No more muslims. Wall. Trade War.
If people start the BS narrative that we can win this by going left now it'll be decades before any progress is made cleaning up Trump's mess.
He received less votes because the DNC threw all their weight and money behind Hillary from the beginning, Bernie was essentially forced to go grass roots and still did extremely well. Notice I didn't say DEMOCRATS handed it to Hillary I specifically called out the DNC. That's been a fact since the primary.That's not even remotely true. He just flat out received far less votes. And he would have been slaughtered on stage telling a general audience he was about to raise taxes.The DNC is to blame for this, 100%. They cheated Bernie off the ballot and instead put out Hillary. The one person Trump could conceivably beat. Bernie had everything that made Trump palatable to the independents (namely the will to change the establishment) and what made Hillary attractive (Experience) without the huge drawbacks to both (not a ignorant billionaire nor a lying sociopath).
Look at the reasons people turned out in exit polls. They loved what Trump promised. No more muslims. Wall. Trade War.
If people start the BS narrative that we can win this by going left now it'll be decades before any progress is made cleaning up Trump's mess.
Plus, that's NOT what won him the election. What won him the election was the dissatisfaction with the way our entire government operates. Hillary lost the independents because she was a career politician, who flip flopped constantly, lied, cheated, and didn't even try to campaign she just threw up I am not trump everywhere.
I voted third party, because I hated both of these clowns. This just underlines the problem with a two party system. People have to choose "do I want a misogynist bigot? or a pathological liar who might start another war" It would be nice to be able to actually choose a candidate I don't find appalling.
I'm as far left as anyone gets. HRC had policy depth. She had nuance. She had contingencies. And she was living in the real world. Bernie had none of that. I think a lot of people who voted this time have just never been involved in politics and aren't equipped to fend off political lie machines.
Trump has, from the start, been the candidate seeking to raise debt the most.
Amazing, I am still expecting Trump to get 10th in the GOP primaries, so he continues to outperform, which we will need especially with the coming problems. Unfortunatel,y Trump has a huge mess to clean up from his predecessor as prior problems are made much worse. Obama issued more treasury than any president in history! Debt Debt Debt. Publications like this get next to zero attention but here is the problem outlined by the CBO. There is a huge huge problem to deal with as we are heading towards a fiscal cliff. Honesty this is problem numbero uno for me.
That's not even remotely true. He just flat out received far less votes. And he would have been slaughtered on stage telling a general audience he was about to raise taxes.The DNC is to blame for this, 100%. They cheated Bernie off the ballot and instead put out Hillary. The one person Trump could conceivably beat. Bernie had everything that made Trump palatable to the independents (namely the will to change the establishment) and what made Hillary attractive (Experience) without the huge drawbacks to both (not a ignorant billionaire nor a lying sociopath).
Look at the reasons people turned out in exit polls. They loved what Trump promised. No more muslims. Wall. Trade War.
If people start the BS narrative that we can win this by going left now it'll be decades before any progress is made cleaning up Trump's mess.
Fortunately, reality will force his hand- which will tank his idiotic promises, zero chance he will build a silly wall, etc. on the bright side.
Edited by Amraam01Fortunately, reality will force his hand- which will tank his idiotic promises, zero chance he will build a silly wall, etc. on the bright side.Trump has, from the start, been the candidate seeking to raise debt the most.Amazing, I am still expecting Trump to get 10th in the GOP primaries, so he continues to outperform, which we will need especially with the coming problems. Unfortunatel,y Trump has a huge mess to clean up from his predecessor as prior problems are made much worse. Obama issued more treasury than any president in history! Debt Debt Debt. Publications like this get next to zero attention but here is the problem outlined by the CBO. There is a huge huge problem to deal with as we are heading towards a fiscal cliff. Honesty this is problem numbero uno for me.That's not even remotely true. He just flat out received far less votes. And he would have been slaughtered on stage telling a general audience he was about to raise taxes.The DNC is to blame for this, 100%. They cheated Bernie off the ballot and instead put out Hillary. The one person Trump could conceivably beat. Bernie had everything that made Trump palatable to the independents (namely the will to change the establishment) and what made Hillary attractive (Experience) without the huge drawbacks to both (not a ignorant billionaire nor a lying sociopath).
Look at the reasons people turned out in exit polls. They loved what Trump promised. No more muslims. Wall. Trade War.
If people start the BS narrative that we can win this by going left now it'll be decades before any progress is made cleaning up Trump's mess.
http://globalwarming.berrens.nl/globalwarming.htm
TLDR? Basically most kids turn into those starving skeletons and stacks of bodies we see in Syria now.
Edited by TasteTheRainbowSingle worst part of this election, all the Democrats who can't abide a democratic result are going to seek shelter in Canada. It's enough of a liberal shithole already.
This just underlines the problem with a two party system. People have to choose "do I want a misogynist bigot? or a pathological liar who might start another war" It would be nice to be able to actually choose a candidate I don't find appalling.
Two party politics is a natural outcome of first past the post voting. Some sort of proportional representation is the way to break that. No other way works.
It's impossible to do for a president, perhaps, but for senate and congress you could.
People really need to stop blindly voting their party (I'm looking at you, Republicans who hated trump but refuse to vote for a Democrat so voted for him) and realize there were 4 candidates on the ballot. The parties are the problem and if they weren't allowed so much power and influence, we might not be in this mess.
The only vote thrown away is the one that's not cast.
I'm registered "Republican", but will vote for the one I feel will get the job done - I don't care if they are Republican, Democrat, Right Wing, Left Wing, Underground, overthere... I really don't care!! Just stop pushing our Country further in to debt, stop regulating the heck out of everything, stop pursuing your own agenda of lining your pockets with my money, etc... If the so called politicians did the job they were elected to do, we would not be in this idiotic mess - they seam to have forgotten "...by the people, for the people...".
We don't want a socialist nation, and that's exactly where Clinton wante to take us.
And some of us do not.
As someone from the UK who considers the views I hold very much socialist and even communist in lots of ways I get the impression that in the USA socialist / socialism is seen as dirty word by large parts of the population. Would that be correct?
If so what is it that large parts of the US population dislike so much?
The fact that Budgernaut thinks that Hillary Clinton stood in any way for socialism makes me wonder how different the definition might actually be at different sides of the Atlantic.
Yeah it's weird. Hillary is so non-left that by european standards she might be a conservative or at least centralist (although Bernie pushed her left).
Socialism is a very dirty word and basically equated with communism for many americans. They would never consider their school systems or roads etc socialist.
That's not even remotely true. He just flat out received far less votes. And he would have been slaughtered on stage telling a general audience he was about to raise taxes.The DNC is to blame for this, 100%. They cheated Bernie off the ballot and instead put out Hillary. The one person Trump could conceivably beat. Bernie had everything that made Trump palatable to the independents (namely the will to change the establishment) and what made Hillary attractive (Experience) without the huge drawbacks to both (not a ignorant billionaire nor a lying sociopath).
Look at the reasons people turned out in exit polls. They loved what Trump promised. No more muslims. Wall. Trade War.
If people start the BS narrative that we can win this by going left now it'll be decades before any progress is made cleaning up Trump's mess.
Polls would suggest otherwise and I personally know (a few) people that really did switch from Bernie to Trump, and Bernie doesn't come with the level of unpopularity Hillary and Trump did. But then polls told us Hillary would almost certainly win.
On the apocalyptic side, we're now headed we'll past 3C. Here's what it looks like.
Fortunately, reality will force his hand- which will tank his idiotic promises, zero chance he will build a silly wall, etc. on the bright side.
Trump has, from the start, been the candidate seeking to raise debt the most.
Amazing, I am still expecting Trump to get 10th in the GOP primaries, so he continues to outperform, which we will need especially with the coming problems. Unfortunatel,y Trump has a huge mess to clean up from his predecessor as prior problems are made much worse. Obama issued more treasury than any president in history! Debt Debt Debt. Publications like this get next to zero attention but here is the problem outlined by the CBO. There is a huge huge problem to deal with as we are heading towards a fiscal cliff. Honesty this is problem numbero uno for me.
That's not even remotely true. He just flat out received far less votes. And he would have been slaughtered on stage telling a general audience he was about to raise taxes.The DNC is to blame for this, 100%. They cheated Bernie off the ballot and instead put out Hillary. The one person Trump could conceivably beat. Bernie had everything that made Trump palatable to the independents (namely the will to change the establishment) and what made Hillary attractive (Experience) without the huge drawbacks to both (not a ignorant billionaire nor a lying sociopath).
Look at the reasons people turned out in exit polls. They loved what Trump promised. No more muslims. Wall. Trade War.
If people start the BS narrative that we can win this by going left now it'll be decades before any progress is made cleaning up Trump's mess.
http://globalwarming.berrens.nl/globalwarming.htm
TLDR? Basically most kids turn into those starving skeletons and stacks of bodies we see in Syria now.
Ha! I got a scarier site: http://www.usdebtclock.org/
Sad/depressing to watch for a little really and how fast liabilities are moving at an accelerating rate. Fiscal cliffs means you have fewer resources to tackle problems such as climate change.
And think about, the FED has kept basically full acceleration on the economy basically the entire Obama presidency with interest rates essentially at 0%. Remember low interests rates fuel the boom and set the stage and groundwork for another bust/financial collapse. I am sure most people do not grasp the implications of this at all.
I'll let the ten million + people who are about to lose healthcare and all the various brown kids too scared to go to school this morning know that you didn't wike HRC, so they just have to tough it out.
He received less votes because the DNC threw all their weight and money behind Hillary from the beginning, Bernie was essentially forced to go grass roots and still did extremely well. Notice I didn't say DEMOCRATS handed it to Hillary I specifically called out the DNC. That's been a fact since the primary.
That's not even remotely true. He just flat out received far less votes. And he would have been slaughtered on stage telling a general audience he was about to raise taxes.The DNC is to blame for this, 100%. They cheated Bernie off the ballot and instead put out Hillary. The one person Trump could conceivably beat. Bernie had everything that made Trump palatable to the independents (namely the will to change the establishment) and what made Hillary attractive (Experience) without the huge drawbacks to both (not a ignorant billionaire nor a lying sociopath).
Look at the reasons people turned out in exit polls. They loved what Trump promised. No more muslims. Wall. Trade War.
If people start the BS narrative that we can win this by going left now it'll be decades before any progress is made cleaning up Trump's mess.
Plus, that's NOT what won him the election. What won him the election was the dissatisfaction with the way our entire government operates. Hillary lost the independents because she was a career politician, who flip flopped constantly, lied, cheated, and didn't even try to campaign she just threw up I am not trump everywhere.
I voted third party, because I hated both of these clowns. This just underlines the problem with a two party system. People have to choose "do I want a misogynist bigot? or a pathological liar who might start another war" It would be nice to be able to actually choose a candidate I don't find appalling.
I'm as far left as anyone gets. HRC had policy depth. She had nuance. She had contingencies. And she was living in the real world. Bernie had none of that. I think a lot of people who voted this time have just never been involved in politics and aren't equipped to fend off political lie machines.
Please don't try and insult my intelligence, character, or caring with that argument. I have 4 sisters one of which is LGBT, and is now afraid that she made a mistake being in the open, two of my other sisters are scared to go to school and I am having to talk them all through it. So please, go take a couple breaths in the corner and realize that people are allowed to have differing opinions in a democracy. Oh, and let me add my soon to be fiance is first generation Iraqi, how did I let that one slip my mind.
HRC could have easily started WW3 so if you want to go down that hypothetical road still my vote just saved the whole planet.
Edited by TimathiusHa! I got a scarier site: http://www.usdebtclock.org/On the apocalyptic side, we're now headed we'll past 3C. Here's what it looks like.http://globalwarming.berrens.nl/globalwarming.htmFortunately, reality will force his hand- which will tank his idiotic promises, zero chance he will build a silly wall, etc. on the bright side.Trump has, from the start, been the candidate seeking to raise debt the most.Amazing, I am still expecting Trump to get 10th in the GOP primaries, so he continues to outperform, which we will need especially with the coming problems. Unfortunatel,y Trump has a huge mess to clean up from his predecessor as prior problems are made much worse. Obama issued more treasury than any president in history! Debt Debt Debt. Publications like this get next to zero attention but here is the problem outlined by the CBO. There is a huge huge problem to deal with as we are heading towards a fiscal cliff. Honesty this is problem numbero uno for me.That's not even remotely true. He just flat out received far less votes. And he would have been slaughtered on stage telling a general audience he was about to raise taxes.The DNC is to blame for this, 100%. They cheated Bernie off the ballot and instead put out Hillary. The one person Trump could conceivably beat. Bernie had everything that made Trump palatable to the independents (namely the will to change the establishment) and what made Hillary attractive (Experience) without the huge drawbacks to both (not a ignorant billionaire nor a lying sociopath).
Look at the reasons people turned out in exit polls. They loved what Trump promised. No more muslims. Wall. Trade War.
If people start the BS narrative that we can win this by going left now it'll be decades before any progress is made cleaning up Trump's mess.
TLDR? Basically most kids turn into those starving skeletons and stacks of bodies we see in Syria now.
Sad/depressing to watch for a little really and how fast liabilities are moving at an accelerating rate. Fiscal cliffs means you have fewer resources to tackle problems such as climate change.
And think about, the FED has kept basically full acceleration on the economy basically the entire Obama presidency with interest rates essentially at 0%. Remember low interests rates fuel the boom and set the stage and groundwork for another bust/financial collapse. I am sure most people do not grasp the implications of this at all.
But that is not at all scarier. Clearly you didn't read my link. Money won't matter in the future he has planned for us.
Please don't try and insult my intelligence, character, or caring with that argument. I have 4 sisters one of which is LGBT, and is now afraid that she made a mistake being in the open, two of my other sisters are scared to go to school and I am having to talk them all through it. So please, go take a couple breaths in the corner and realize that people are allowed to have differing opinions in a democracy. Oh, and let me add my soon to be fiance is first generation Iraqi, how did I let that one slip my mind.I'll let the ten million + people who are about to lose healthcare and all the various brown kids too scared to go to school this morning know that you didn't wike HRC, so they just have to tough it out.He received less votes because the DNC threw all their weight and money behind Hillary from the beginning, Bernie was essentially forced to go grass roots and still did extremely well. Notice I didn't say DEMOCRATS handed it to Hillary I specifically called out the DNC. That's been a fact since the primary.That's not even remotely true. He just flat out received far less votes. And he would have been slaughtered on stage telling a general audience he was about to raise taxes.The DNC is to blame for this, 100%. They cheated Bernie off the ballot and instead put out Hillary. The one person Trump could conceivably beat. Bernie had everything that made Trump palatable to the independents (namely the will to change the establishment) and what made Hillary attractive (Experience) without the huge drawbacks to both (not a ignorant billionaire nor a lying sociopath).
Look at the reasons people turned out in exit polls. They loved what Trump promised. No more muslims. Wall. Trade War.
If people start the BS narrative that we can win this by going left now it'll be decades before any progress is made cleaning up Trump's mess.
Plus, that's NOT what won him the election. What won him the election was the dissatisfaction with the way our entire government operates. Hillary lost the independents because she was a career politician, who flip flopped constantly, lied, cheated, and didn't even try to campaign she just threw up I am not trump everywhere.
I voted third party, because I hated both of these clowns. This just underlines the problem with a two party system. People have to choose "do I want a misogynist bigot? or a pathological liar who might start another war" It would be nice to be able to actually choose a candidate I don't find appalling.
I'm as far left as anyone gets. HRC had policy depth. She had nuance. She had contingencies. And she was living in the real world. Bernie had none of that. I think a lot of people who voted this time have just never been involved in politics and aren't equipped to fend off political lie machines.
HRC could have easily started WW3 so if you want to go down that hypothetical road still my vote just saved the whole planet.
When you say that DNC rigged the vote you are insulting your own intelligence. When you say the DNC threw all their money behind Clinton you are making a statement that a 15-second google search would disprove.
Edited by TasteTheRainbow...
I grasp it extremely well, which is why I supported HRC from the start. She was the only one with a decent plan to even slow debt accumulation.
But that is not at all scarier. Clearly you didn't read my link. Money won't matter in the future he has planned for us.
Decent plan? Ha! Dont be gullible. The last financial crisis but the fear of collapse into the proudest of politicians, and HRC did not exactly bring up this topic as a campaign theme. The government only solution to anything has always been more spending. The morbid irony this that this (WW3) is what is 'best' for the planet- remove a lot of humans. Humans cause global warming and this is essentially an unstoppable force and inevitable as long as there are humans. More humans mean more CO2 produced where as lower income countries are the worst offenders. They do not have the luxury of the wealthy to worry about global warming when there are safe water and sanitation concerns. The bursting populations is where the future CO2 will be primary from. Sorry to say, but increased CO2 is inevitable... just accept it, unless you decrease the amount of humans on the planet.
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Decent plan? Ha! Dont be gullible. The last financial crisis but the fear of collapse into the proudest of politicians, and HRC did not exactly bring up this topic as a campaign theme. The government only solution to anything has always been more spending. The morbid irony this that this (WW3) is what is 'best' for the planet- remove a lot of humans. Humans cause global warming and this is essentially an unstoppable force and inevitable as long as there are humans. More humans mean more CO2 produced where as lower income countries are the worst offenders. They do not have the luxury of the wealthy to worry about global warming when there are safe water and sanitation concerns. The bursting populations is where the future CO2 will be primary from. Sorry to say, but increased CO2 is inevitable... just accept it, unless you decrease the amount of humans on the planet.I grasp it extremely well, which is why I supported HRC from the start. She was the only one with a decent plan to even slow debt accumulation.
But that is not at all scarier. Clearly you didn't read my link. Money won't matter in the future he has planned for us.
If burning all CO2 is inevitable then the end of the species is inevitable. And I refuse to accept that.
Edited by TasteTheRainbowEase up guys, I know I was bitter last night as well, but be careful not too let the frustration and uncertainty bleed through too much when talking to each other.
Reality is that Trump, barring some external force (can he be jailed for that racketeering case that's due soon?) He is the next president and the whole world will have to deal with that.
This might end up in trade disputes with major trade partners, and if he is not well advised by people whose judgment he accepts and forgoes on paying the debt there will be major ramifications economically.
At least, with both houses and the presidency in their control, the Republicans will have no-one to blame for the problems should they for instance not raise the debt ceiling.
I voted 3rd party, because both of them are immoral, lying liberals.
I would have been numb if Hillary had been elected.
I am overjoyed to see her lose.
Ease up guys, I know I was bitter last night as well, but be careful not too let the frustration and uncertainty bleed through too much when talking to each other.
Reality is that Trump, barring some external force (can he be jailed for that racketeering case that's due soon?) He is the next president and the whole world will have to deal with that.
This might end up in trade disputes with major trade partners, and if he is not well advised by people whose judgment he accepts and forgoes on paying the debt there will be major ramifications economically.
At least, with both houses and the presidency in their control, the Republicans will have no-one to blame for the problems should they for instance not raise the debt ceiling.