Backdraft with Accuracy Corrector

By DocLBrown24, in X-Wing Rules Questions

If Backdraft uses accuracy corrector, does this mean that his final result would be 2 hits and 1 crit or does the crit only get added to the dice rolled before using accuracy corrector to get ONLY 2 guaranteed hits on the dice?

"your attack cannot be modified"

Adding a result is modification. 2hits.

But 'modifying' the dice would be something like your opponent changing one of your hit dice to a focus as with 'Sensor Jammer'. Both AC and Backdraft's cards say 'add' not re-roll or modify.

Rules Reference, pg. 13:

MODIFYING DICE
Players can modify dice by spending focus, evade, and target lock tokens and by resolving card abilities.
Dice can be modified in the following ways:

• Add: To add a die result, place an unused die displaying the result next to the rolled dice. A die added in this way is treated as a normal die for all purposes and can be modified and canceled.
• Change: To change a die result, rotate the die so that its faceup side displays the new result.
• Reroll: To reroll a die result, pick up the die and roll it again.
• Dice can be modified by multiple effects, but a die cannot be rerolled more than once.

Edited by kraedin

But 'modifying' the dice would be something like your opponent changing one of your hit dice to a focus as with 'Sensor Jammer'. Both AC and Backdraft's cards say 'add' not re-roll or modify.

Adding dice is not a modification, but adding results is, and Backdraft and AC add results.

The FAQ for Accuracy Corrector states "Dice results added by Accuracy Corrector may not be modified again." Adding a die result would not by modifying the results added by Accuracy Corrector. (emphasis added) ​ Modifying a die result that has already been modified once would be against the rules anyway. (Admittedly, this argument cuts both ways). Doesn't fearlessness stack with Accuracy Corrector? The same logic would apply here.


I honestly don't know what the answer to DocLBrown's question is, or what the answer to the "Does Fearlessness stack with Accuracy Corrector?" question is, but I think the current FAQ wording leaves it open to interpretation.


Just playing Devil's Advocate

The FAQ for Accuracy Corrector states "Dice results added by Accuracy Corrector may not be modified again." Adding a die result would not by modifying the results added by Accuracy Corrector. (emphasis added) ​ Modifying a die result that has already been modified once would be against the rules anyway. (Admittedly, this argument cuts both ways). Doesn't fearlessness stack with Accuracy Corrector? The same logic would apply here.

I honestly don't know what the answer to DocLBrown's question is, or what the answer to the "Does Fearlessness stack with Accuracy Corrector?" question is, but I think the current FAQ wording leaves it open to interpretation.
Just playing Devil's Advocate

If we only had the FAQ text, maybe. But on the card itself it says "Your dice cannot be modified again during this attack" (emphasis added), this is referring to your dice as a whole, not just the results added by Accuracy Corrector, and is not contradicted by the FAQ's wording.

Edited by FireSpy

The FAQ for Accuracy Corrector states "Dice results added by Accuracy Corrector may not be modified again." Adding a die result would not by modifying the results added by Accuracy Corrector. (emphasis added) ​ Modifying a die result that has already been modified once would be against the rules anyway. (Admittedly, this argument cuts both ways). Doesn't fearlessness stack with Accuracy Corrector? The same logic would apply here.
I honestly don't know what the answer to DocLBrown's question is, or what the answer to the "Does Fearlessness stack with Accuracy Corrector?" question is, but I think the current FAQ wording leaves it open to interpretation.
Just playing Devil's Advocate

It is possible to modify dice results more than once during the Modify Dice steps. You can only reroll once, but that reroll may result in a focus result which can then be changed via a focus token.

Fearlessness doesn't stack with Accuracy Corrector because AC forbids further modification and that doesn't mean just the two hit results AC adds, it means ANY further modifications, and that includes the added hit result from Fearlessness.

You can try and apply them in any order and the result will still be the same.

Fearlessness before Accuracy Corrector

  1. Roll Attack dice, trigger Fearlessness and add a hit result to the dice results.
  2. Modify any results with any tokens or abilities to get best possible results.
  3. Trigger Accuracy Corrector and cancel all those results, replacing them with 2 hit results.
  4. Regardless of the number of dice rolled or any modifications done, AC leaves an end result of 2 hits.

If you try Accuracy Corrector before Fearlessness.

  1. Roll Attack dice, trigger Accuracy Corrector and cancel those results and add 2 hit results.
  2. Modify Attack Dice step, but you can't because AC says "your dice cannot be modified again"
  3. Trigger Fearlessness to add 1 hit result, but adding a result is a modification and AC says "your dice cannot be modified again"
  4. End result of 2 hits.

Accuracy corrector is a pretty final option and the only thing you can do to those results is cancel them.

If Backdraft uses accuracy corrector, does this mean that his final result would be 2 hits and 1 crit or does the crit only get added to the dice rolled before using accuracy corrector to get ONLY 2 guaranteed hits on the dice?

Backdraft and Accuracy corrector's are both modifications to your dice.

Suppose you roll a blank and a focus. You may then modify with a focus and Backdraft's ability to get Blank-Hit-Crit results.

At this point, if you use Accuracy Corrector, you cancel all results and wind up with 2 hits.

If you use Accuracy Corrector immediately after the same roll, you wind up with 2 hits, that cannot be modified again - including trying to use Backdraft's ability to add the crit.

So same result, no matter when you decide that AC kicks in.

Adding to this same school of thought, can you fire twice out of the auxiliary arc on the TIE sf using the spec ops card if you haven't fired from the primary?

Adding to this same school of thought, can you fire twice out of the auxiliary arc on the TIE sf using the spec ops card if you haven't fired from the primary?

Special Ops Training triggers on firing out of your primary arc. There is no possible way it can allow you to shoot backwards twice.

Adding to this same school of thought, can you fire twice out of the auxiliary arc on the TIE sf using the spec ops card if you haven't fired from the primary?

Seriously, I think it is one of the most frequent question of the last month... can you search a bit on the forum, this have been answered like what 10 times now !??!

Adding to this same school of thought, can you fire twice out of the auxiliary arc on the TIE sf using the spec ops card if you haven't fired from the primary?

Seriously, I think it is one of the most frequent question of the last month... can you search a bit on the forum, this have been answered like what 10 times now !??!

There's still two topics on it on the front page of the rules sub-forum. You don't even need to use the search function. Just read down the page a little. :huh: