I asked in other thread, but I think is better to open a new one in order to don't mix things. My question come up after reading some threads where people said they spend their accuracy and then reroll the dice again.

First of all: what the hell I though to didn't realize that these two steps (modify dice and spend accuracies) have the same timing?

Is this right? Could I roll an accuracy, spend it and then reroll to get a damage in the same die? The die is not spent? Could I roll an accuracy, spend it and then reroll to get more accuracies to spend and so on if I have the effects that let me do it?

If the dice of accuracies are not discarded when I spend the accuracy and all above is right... ****! A new world will came up to my eyes!

No, that's not quite it.

You're right that the timing is simultaneous and therefore interchangeable. But per the RRG, when an accuracy is spent (well, when a die is spent for any reason) it is removed from the pool, so that die can no longer be rerolled.

The point of the discussion is that you could roll 6 dice, spend 2 accuracies, and still reroll your entire pool (which is now only 4 dice) with Veteran Gunners.

I asked in other thread, but I think is better to open a new one in order to don't mix things. My question come up after reading some threads where people said they spend their accuracy and then reroll the dice again.

First of all: what the hell I though to didn't realize that these two steps (modify dice and spend accuracies) have the same timing?

Is this right? Could I roll an accuracy, spend it and then reroll to get a damage in the same die? The die is not spent? Could I roll an accuracy, spend it and then reroll to get more accuracies to spend and so on if I have the effects that let me do it?

If the dice of accuracies are not discarded when I spend the accuracy and all above is right... ****! A new world will came up to my eyes!

So when you Spend a die, you remove it from the pool. You can spend dice during the modify step, which includes spending Acc. So if you have an ISD with Leading Shots and Vader, you can roll your initial barrage of 4 red and 4 blue. Spend any Acc and remove them. You can spend a blue to reroll any dice, and remove that blue from the pool. You are now down 2 dice. You can Vader to reroll again, and spend more Acc if you want.

You could do anything I said in any order, since they all have the same timing.

While you're correct, the timing is not really relevant for Vader or Leading Shots, since they let you choose which dice to reroll. So with those two cards you can always choose not to reroll the accs, even if you don't spend them.

The timing issue is important for Veteran Gunners, which force you to reroll the entire attack pool - so removing spent accuracies from the pool lets you effectively "lock in" those dice. I think this is what was confusing our friend.

Thank you! This sounds more logic that what I intended from crossed replies. As DiabloAzul said, reroll the accuracies after spending them was crazy but soooo awesome that I need to be sure. Just one thing still unclear for me. If I remember there is something like an effect can't be happen again for the same instance. Would it be true for spending accuracies? I mean, I roll hit, blank, accuracy. I spend the accuracy and then roll with veteran gunners to get hit and accuracy. I could spend the new accuracy or I can't spend accuracies again as long as I did it. With rerolls it is clear as long as x rerolls came from x effects, but spending accuracies is different. Could I spend the new accuracy?

Ask yourself - Are you still in the Modify Dice step?

because if you are, you still can.

The "not doing it again for the same occurance" is tied into the wording of the upgrade card. "While, During, Before, After." Etc. THOSE keywords restrict it.

Spending Accuracies does not have that...

HOWEVER .

The BIG Caveat for that, is are you in the Modify Dice Step ?

because if you are NOT. If you have gained this Accuracy because your enemy has spent a Defense Token and made you reroll a Crit into an Accuracy..... That cannot i be spent , as it is no longer the correct time to....

because if you are NOT. If you have gained this Accuracy because your enemy has spent a Defense Token and made you reroll a Crit into an Accuracy..... That cannot i be spent , as it is no longer the correct time to....

I already know this but thanks, you answer me with the upgrade card stuff. I can't remeber how many times you solved me a rule question.

Ask yourself - Are you still in the Modify Dice step?

because if you are, you still can.

The "not doing it again for the same occurance" is tied into the wording of the upgrade card. "While, During, Before, After." Etc. THOSE keywords restrict it.

Spending Accuracies does not have that...

HOWEVER .

The BIG Caveat for that, is are you in the Modify Dice Step ?

because if you are NOT. If you have gained this Accuracy because your enemy has spent a Defense Token and made you reroll a Crit into an Accuracy..... That cannot i be spent , as it is no longer the correct time to....

There is no modify dice Step. There is only a Resolve Attack Effects Step.

And the modify dice is a diamond dot within the Resolve Attack Effects Step.

But i posted a comment from Ian in the World Ruling thread.

https://community.fantasyflightgames.com/topic/234052-worlds-rulings/?p=2489914

So, I'm right, its only that I use a common parlance instead of the actual stated rule?

Awesome.

Its only the second time I've been caught out using Modify Dice instead of Resolve Attack Effects .

I'll endeavour to be more pedantic.

Ask yourself - Are you still in the Modify Dice step?

because if you are, you still can.

The "not doing it again for the same occurance" is tied into the wording of the upgrade card. "While, During, Before, After." Etc. THOSE keywords restrict it.

Spending Accuracies does not have that...

HOWEVER .

The BIG Caveat for that, is are you in the Modify Dice Step ?

because if you are NOT. If you have gained this Accuracy because your enemy has spent a Defense Token and made you reroll a Crit into an Accuracy..... That cannot i be spent , as it is no longer the correct time to....

There is no modify dice Step. There is only a Resolve Attack Effects Step.

And the modify dice is a diamond dot within the Resolve Attack Effects Step.

But i posted a comment from Ian in the World Ruling thread.

https://community.fantasyflightgames.com/topic/234052-worlds-rulings/?p=2489914

I'm not sure what you are adding to this conversation. I think in general everyone understands what you mean when you say "Modify Dice Step", regardless if it is actually called "Resolve Attack Effects Step". IMO, calling it the modify dice step actually clarifies the usage and order of many effects that interact with Acc or rerolling them. Many people have asked if you must spend Acc before or after rerolls, when it really doesn't matter.

I understand that you are correct, but your correctness actually doesn't solve anything. In fact, it is the very source of confusion among new players.