Lightened Frame - Is it a mod?

By WWHSD, in X-Wing

In the TIE/sf thread that disappeared there was a discussion of whether what looks like it will be called "Lightened Frame" in the TIE Striker expansion will be a mod or a title. The argument for it being a title is that there is not enough room for "TIE Only. Modification." to be centered on the card.

If you compare that card to Twin Ion Engine Mk II. you'll see that the spacing is the same. There is are small red marks on the frame around the card title. Both cards have the letter "E" in the word "TIE" almost directly below that mark.

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With another title in the pack, my money is on this being a mod.

Edited by WWHSD

even the best guess we have of the text disallows it on certain ships ('you canno...your a(?)), probably

"if your agility is 3 or higher"

if it were a title...oh man the SF would be pissed

Edited by ficklegreendice

Yeah, probably a mod that lets you roll 1 additional defense die, which can not equip if your natural agility is higher than 2.

The third defense die probably also doesn't kick in unless you're being shot at by 3 or more red dice, so it won't help against TIE swarms or Z-95s, etc.

So like, bonus for TIE s/f and TIE Shuttle and possibly generic phantoms.

If it is a TIE modification where can I buy it if I don't get the striker?

Oh wait, that's a bit early isn't it.

even the best guess we have of the text disallows it on certain ships ('you canno...your a(?)), probably

"if your agility is 3 or higher"

if it were a title...oh man the SF would be pissed

But the Punisher and Bomber would be happy to see it as a title.

even the best guess we have of the text disallows it on certain ships ('you canno...your a(?)), probably

"if your agility is 3 or higher"

if it were a title...oh man the SF would be pissed

But the Punisher and Bomber would be happy to see it as a title.

nooo, don't crush the poor punisher's dreams of a TIE/IT fix :(

My guess is that it's a title, personally, but we won't know for sure until it's previewed or published.

Since the ship already comes with a title, I'd be shocked if it wasn't a mod.

How would a TIE having a "Lightened Frame" be a title?

My guess is that it's a title, personally, but we won't know for sure until it's previewed or published.

If it was a title, the text for "TIE Only. Title" would start further to the right than it does.

"tie only" title would be a first we have not had a title that can go on more then one ship yet (unless i am missing something)

My guess its a mod, and its abbreviated to "tie only Mod."

Its also not the actual card, its the digital one from the release pack rendering. Its very possible that the wording on the first line is incorrect.

But ya i cant see it being a title that just does not fit the patterns of titles so far.

Edited by Icelom

How would a TIE having a "Lightened Frame" be a title?

same way variants of the Defender are titles, I guess

one of them is basically just stripped down of all its weapon mounts and I guess is technically, therefore, "lighter" :P

How would a TIE having a "Lightened Frame" be a title?

How would a TIE having "Adaptive Ailerons" be a title?

Here’s what we know:



When defe[…] defense dice […] attack dice […] roll one add[…]


You canno[…] your a[…] o[…]



Does this make any sense, or is it too overpowered?



When defe[nding, cancel one] defense dice [and one] attack dice [. You may then] roll one add[itional dice]


You canno[t equip this card if] your a[gility value is] o[ver 2]

"tie only" title would be a first we have not had a title that can go on more then one ship yet (unless i am missing something)

My guess its a mod, and its abbreviated to "tie only Mod."

It wouldn't need to be abbreviated. The spacing appears to be identical to that of "TIE Only. Modification" on an existing card.

Its also not the actual card, its the digital one from the release pack rendering. Its very possible that the wording on the first line is incorrect.

Hang on...the card spreads shown in the preview articles aren't just photos of physical cards ?

Edited by WWHSD

How would a TIE having a "Lightened Frame" be a title?

How would a TIE having "Adaptive Ailerons" be a title?

I'd like to get my hands on her ample nacelles, if you'll pardon the engineering parlance." - Montgomery Scott

Adaptive Ailerons must be a euphemism.

How would a TIE having a "Lightened Frame" be a title?

How would a TIE having "Adaptive Ailerons" be a title?

I'd like to get my hands on her ample nacelles, if you'll pardon the engineering parlance." - Montgomery Scott

Adaptive Ailerons must be a euphemism.

An aileron (French for 'little wing')

oh yeah, those strikers are just a bunch of flying Freud-was-rights

Edited by ficklegreendice

I'm definitely hoping it's a TIE modification!

How would a TIE having a "Lightened Frame" be a title?

same way variants of the Defender are titles, I guess

one of them is basically just stripped down of all its weapon mounts and I guess is technically, therefore, "lighter" :P

I always saw the Defender variants (and the other TIE titles) as different model numbers for various versions of a TIE that were made. So their model number would be their "title".

Really, the only title for X-Wing that has a name that sounds more like it would be a Modification rather than a title would be the Alliance Overhaul for the ARC-170.

How would a TIE having a "Lightened Frame" be a title?

same way variants of the Defender are titles, I guess

one of them is basically just stripped down of all its weapon mounts and I guess is technically, therefore, "lighter" :P

I always saw the Defender variants (and the other TIE titles) as different model numbers for various versions of a TIE that were made. So their model number would be their "title".

Really, the only title for X-Wing that has a name that sounds more like it would be a Modification rather than a title would be the Alliance Overhaul for the ARC-170.

technically, in terms of theme, almost every "title" is a modification of the base ship

they're meant to represent what makes the "special" ships different from the baseline ones, especially ito unique titles (which succeed in varying degrees...Slave 1....)

which is why, when Boba flies over to smash up Punishing One, he isn't just taking a can of spraypaint; he's actively disabling whatever it is that makes Punishing One the Punishing One instead of just a cruddy jump (in this case, the better PWT)

everything else is physical modification

MF (old) is a modified "old piece of junk" and therefore can evade

Slave 1 has extra modifications allowing it to carry torpedoes for some reason

ST-321 has...something?

Moldy Crow is a HWK that can at least get off the ground (apparently modified)

Royal Guard Ties literally allow an extra modification

Outrider has a bigass gun relative to other YT-2400s

Virago is special because Xizor is an egomaniac and didn't want the mass-produced vipers being as cool as his

Heavy Scyk reflects the m3-a being updated by basically stapling bigger and bigger guns on it

BTL-a4 Ys are a variant of Y with the turret locked in place

Tie/x1 is weird because it's technically just Vader's Advance but we're playing loose with canon here

Hound's Tooth is one in a very long line of modified frieghters, ditto Ghost/Phantom and Punishing One (bigger guns, also apparently the salvaged mech but don't tell that to the contracted scouts!)

Shadowcaster has the tractor beam gun thing

Alliance Overhaul is an overhaul

The two varieties of Defenders are physically modified from one another (one has no cannons/missiles and the other does)

etc etc etc

the only titles I can think of that aren't actual modifications are Special Ops Training (which is...training) and Concord Dawn Protector (which seems to apply more to the pilot than the ship itself)

oh and Ig-2000 which is some hive mind bull

Edited by ficklegreendice

TIE/D is just the Defender's model number, but since it's a 0 pt title, this is like say, a Special Ops Training kind of situation where technically, all Defenders should be doing the sort of thing where they can open up with primary lasers and secondary cannons at the same time (While it's still "Training", the /SF title is clearly meant to reference some quality that all pilots of the /SF should have, which is you have the pilot and the backseater working in concert with the turreted guns). TIE/x7 refers to the prototype phase when it lacked all the cool toys and was just "Hey, Sienar, let's pour millions of credits into R&D of something which is like a TIE Interceptor, but crazier". Adaptive is probably similar - it's a functionality intrinsically built into the Striker and all ships have it, and only Duchess is a Striker pilot experienced enough to be able to control the Striker in such a way as to not use them all the time.

And since T.I.E. Mk II exists, I'd wager Light[...] Fr[ame] is also a TIE mod which will probably benefit a few TIEs who might need an edge. And incentivise you not to put EU on the Striker because MAN would that be some stuff.

Hope it's a mod, but happy with a title, especially if it can make the punisher and bomber a but more survivable. And possibly the SF.

It's lighting fromage.

Isn't it "Lightening From Hands"?...

Every TIE gets a Palp!!!

How would a TIE having a "Lightened Frame" be a title?

same way variants of the Defender are titles, I guess

one of them is basically just stripped down of all its weapon mounts and I guess is technically, therefore, "lighter" :P

I always saw the Defender variants (and the other TIE titles) as different model numbers for various versions of a TIE that were made. So their model number would be their "title".

Really, the only title for X-Wing that has a name that sounds more like it would be a Modification rather than a title would be the Alliance Overhaul for the ARC-170.

I think i would disagree with your assesment. The overhaul is a standard thing, like other titles that aren't unique (TIE x/7, etc). A modification is made on a ship to ship basis, like installing long range scanners on your bomber. Not all the bombers have it, but the basic bomber is the same as a bomber with guidance chips.

Am i making sense?