Quote from the Friday Morning breakfast.

Two articles up already!

http://xwingtactics.blogspot.com/2016/11/a-new-resource.html

http://xwingtactics.blogspot.com/2016/11/biggs-pre-action-report-worlds.html

Your logic behind Vet Gunners is faulty.

First you get to use accuracy up front.

Second your dice will have an uneven distribution, so that some rolls will benefit a lot from rerolls, bringing your average up up up.

But otherwise nice article!

Nitpicking.

Your logic behind Vet Gunners is faulty.

First you get to use accuracy up front.

Second your dice will have an uneven distribution, so that some rolls will benefit a lot from rerolls, bringing your average up up up.

??? I thought you couldn't use accuracy results before rerolling. In the rules reference, that step occurs after the modify dice step.

Your logic behind Vet Gunners is faulty.

First you get to use accuracy up front.

Second your dice will have an uneven distribution, so that some rolls will benefit a lot from rerolls, bringing your average up up up.

??? I thought you couldn't use accuracy results before rerolling. In the rules reference, that step occurs after the modify dice step.

Its not a Step.

Its a dot point within the Modify Dice step.

Your logic behind Vet Gunners is faulty.

First you get to use accuracy up front.

Second your dice will have an uneven distribution, so that some rolls will benefit a lot from rerolls, bringing your average up up up.

??? I thought you couldn't use accuracy results before rerolling. In the rules reference, that step occurs after the modify dice step.

Its not a Step.

Its a dot point within the Modify Dice step.

Well I've played that wrong. I was certain they occurred at different times. And you probably meant it's a dot point within the "resolve attack effects" step right?

Your logic behind Vet Gunners is faulty.

First you get to use accuracy up front.

Second your dice will have an uneven distribution, so that some rolls will benefit a lot from rerolls, bringing your average up up up.

??? I thought you couldn't use accuracy results before rerolling. In the rules reference, that step occurs after the modify dice step.

Its not a Step.

Its a dot point within the Modify Dice step.

Well I've played that wrong. I was certain they occurred at different times. And you probably meant it's a dot point within the "resolve attack effects" step right?

Yes.

My Paper copy of the rules manual was toddler-treated, and while streaming, I have trouble accessing the electronic copy.

But as it stands:

They are both two dot points, under the same step. Ergo, their timing is interchangeable, as the rules on timing rely on that usage of 'step'.

Good thing I didn't explain that clearly in the Article then. People are learning things!

Your logic behind Vet Gunners is faulty.

First you get to use accuracy up front.

Second your dice will have an uneven distribution, so that some rolls will benefit a lot from rerolls, bringing your average up up up.

Your logic behind Vet Gunners is faulty.

First you get to use accuracy up front.

Second your dice will have an uneven distribution, so that some rolls will benefit a lot from rerolls, bringing your average up up up.

Wait, are you saying you can spend your accuracy and then reroll it into something else?

No, not what is being said.

But what is said that initial rolled acrruracies, can be spent - IE, locked in for use, and removed from the pool, so they are not part of the "Everything" that must be rerolled with "everything"...

... Sayou, rolled 6 blanks and an acc...

You could reroll everything right away, but you really want to lock that brace down, no matter what.

So you spend the accuracy.

Now you can freely reroll the 6 blanks, abecause that accuracy is spent, gone, disappeared... Its no longer part of 'everything;.

Okay, that's way more reasonable. Thanks for the clarification

Good thing I didn't explain that clearly in the Article then. People are learning things!

And to think, I had created a thread on the subject within, like, an hour of the Veteran Gunners card being spoiled

Not to be obtuse but where does it say that the dot steps are interchangeable? I was just looking through the 3 documents and from what I can tell you'd have to reroll all of the dice with Veteran Gunners. Not that I doubt you but maybe a link to your thread would be helpful. I haven't really used them because of my interpretation of the rules. They would certainly be more appealing if I could use the accuracies and then reroll.

Man, like *I* can find that thread now....

3. Resolve Attack Effects: The attacker can resolve attack effects as described below:

◊ Modify Dice: The attacker can resolve any of its effects that modify its dice. This includes card effects and the P command.

◊ Spend Accuracy (G) Icons: The attacker can spend one or more of its G icons to choose the same number of the defender’s defense tokens. The chosen tokens cannot be spent during this attack.

No timing is mandated (ie, in the following order)

Even if you compare the diamond symbol used, it is used in some of the other step points, and you you will find that they too are not timing steps. IE, Do this first, then then, then this... They are showing all varying points...

Then there is:

• An effect that modifies attack dice can only be resolved during the “Resolve Attacks Effects” step of an attack unless another timing is specified.

During the Resolve Attacks Effects step. NOT during the Modify Dice Substep.

. • Spend: When a die or die icon is spent, remove that die from the attack pool.

Its a modifying dice effect. Which relates it to be simultaneous with other modifying dice effects.

Which of course, leads us to:

• If two or more of a player’s effects have the same timing, that player can resolve those effects in any order.

Now, we know in Star Wars: Armada, Simultaneous is a taboo word. Because there isn't. There's "They happen at the same time, and since things cannot happen at the same time, you set the order of them...." that way, things are in a distinct order of your choosing.

in no instance, are you insisted, by the rules, to consider Accuracies being spent after modifying dice... In fact, quite a few people would argue, that as a modifying dice effect, if you do not spend your accuracies at the point in time where you modify dice, you miss your opportunity and cannot spend accuracy dice at all!.

I contend that they are separated as Dot (Diamond) points only because they are "Universal" rules... You can always spend accuracies, you do not require an upgrade card to allow you to do it... Whereas, if they did not write them in the rules, and instead left it as 'modify dice effects' alone, then you would require an upgrade card to even spend accuracies - even if it was a 'default' upgrade card to do so...

Not to be obtuse but where does it say that the dot steps are interchangeable? I was just looking through the 3 documents and from what I can tell you'd have to reroll all of the dice with Veteran Gunners. Not that I doubt you but maybe a link to your thread would be helpful. I haven't really used them because of my interpretation of the rules. They would certainly be more appealing if I could use the accuracies and then reroll.

You can't reroll, that which was already spent.

- anon

Quick story time: A player, who will remain nameless, was told to look for me at Worlds. He is not from America and has a bit of an accent.

So he finds a guy with a mustache and asks "Are you Biggs in real life?"

"Excuse me?"

"Are you Biggs in real life?" Then he realized what it sounded like he was asking.

First time I went to the local gaming club to meet up with Gammonlord was an odd experience. Asking a bunch of tabltop players if they know who gammonlord is, didnt go down well.

Read the article now.

Nice fleet. Very strong anti squadron, though I do feel its lacking a little anti ship, however, I suspect a well flown ISD makes up for all that and you have the deployments to make that an easy task.

NOW

Vet Gunners are possibly the greatest boost to red dice in this galaxy. As a respected Armada blogger you have a responsibility to set the record straight. I expect a 500 word essay up next on why Vet Gunners are obscene.

Though I had a rather painful use of Vet Gunners. 2 red, 1 black I rolled 3 hits and because the black was blank I felt it was a poor roll, so rerolled. Yup, blank, blank, blank. The key to Vet Gunners is to know the odds. Han need not apply.

Your logic behind Vet Gunners is faulty.

First you get to use accuracy up front.

Second your dice will have an uneven distribution, so that some rolls will benefit a lot from rerolls, bringing your average up up up.

??? I thought you couldn't use accuracy results before rerolling. In the rules reference, that step occurs after the modify dice step.

Its not a Step.

Its a dot point within the Modify Dice step.

Just to make it clear. There is no modify dice step. It is the resolve attack effects step, and modify dice is just another dot point within this resolve attack effects step.

And as long as you are allowed to resolve the dot parts in any order and as often as you want to, you can do vet gunner after the spend accuracy. But if you have to do these two steps in the order as writen in the rules ref, you have to do the vet gunner first (but i doubt it is this way).

Read the article now.

Nice fleet. Very strong anti squadron, though I do feel its lacking a little anti ship, however, I suspect a well flown ISD makes up for all that and you have the deployments to make that an easy task.

NOW

Vet Gunners are possibly the greatest boost to red dice in this galaxy. As a respected Armada blogger you have a responsibility to set the record straight. I expect a 500 word essay up next on why Vet Gunners are obscene.

Though I had a rather painful use of Vet Gunners. 2 red, 1 black I rolled 3 hits and because the black was blank I felt it was a poor roll, so rerolled. Yup, blank, blank, blank. The key to Vet Gunners is to know the odds. Han need not apply.

Was that your shot on my Demo?

**** it Biggs, you had the Australian National Champion in that photo as well. Come on man give me some love, I was equally as foreign

**** it Biggs, you had the Australian National Champion in that photo as well. Come on man give me some love, I was equally as foreign

Done.

Just so future thread readers can get the joke: I changed it for about 10 minutes around typing "Done" to add "...and some Australian Guy".

Updated with his proper title now.