How about an "escape from hoth" campaign.

I meant hoth. Sorry for the typo.

It's a fun typo.

Now, you do have the capacity to edit your posts. Check down where it says 'multiquote' for your messages. That way you can fix it and we're ne'er the wiser, other than that it will say that it was edited.

I think carriers can be special by providing something like an automatic squadron command every turn or something that makes them more specialized than the standard VSD/AF template. That being said, I think we can wait a wave or two before giving an easier time to Squads.

I'd love to see cross factional ships too like the Quasar or Dreadnoughts or even Nebulon B's. To me that screams the nature of the Rebellion's 2nd hand repurposing of existing ships.

I also would love more medium base ships. Anything to move from MSU kind of lists we are seeing do so well.

Yes, I agree with these ideas. Squadrons are doing quite well for themselves right now, and don't really need a boost, but it would be nice to see some of the more dedicated carriers. Now I will say that while I think they'll bring it into the game, I think the Quasar Fire is ugly as sin, and I'm not eager to see it. I also agree that some cross-factional ships would be good - maybe Clone War-era Acclamators and Venators with different refit types for the different factions. Those would both be medium-base ship. The Venator might arguably even be a large-base ship.

But we have a long way to go before they introduce those, I think.

Also, I have to mention it, the Venator looks like Jar Jar Binks' head.

Empire

Quasar Fire -class Bulk Cruiser

- The rebels stole a single one of these, and I don't believe we're so far along in Armada that we have to start doing cross-faction ships (like X-Wing did with Sabine's TIE Fighter). It's an Imperial ship through and through. The only argument against this ship I have is that the Empire already has quality carrier ships in the Victory -class and Imperial -class that can double as offensive powerhouses, as well as the Gozantis for cheap squadron pushers. I find it hard to see a need for a pure carrier-based for the Empire.

No love for the Ton Falk Space Slug? Is it considered canon at this point? I feel that both sides need to have dedicated carriers (and also dedicated anti-squadron ships too)

It was recanonised in "Tarkin", along with 3 types of Gravity Well ship, one being the Immobilizer 418. While the Ton Falk wasn't pictured, obviously, it did come with a brief yet accurate description of the ship originally created by WEG with the same name.

Was it recanonized by Tarkin. I don't recall this, nor is it recorded as such on the Wookiee. If you can give me a page number (or roughly where I can find the reference in the book), I'd be happy to try updating Wookieepedia to reflect the recanonization. While I'm not going to say that I think the Ton Falk is the prettiest ship ever, I do have a soft spot for it. Certainly softer than the Quasar Fire.

People saying that because Phoenix Home is now a quasar need to remember, cr90s are common ships in service with the Imperial Navy.

I think it's unfortunate that Rebels would get to have Imperial ships without some similar love back. This is already the case in X-Wing and I'd hate to see it here.

If it were a unique title, that changed the quasar to Phoenix Home, and only allowed that one particular ship (no fleet of 5 quasars) I'd be fine. As it stands, the way they implemented Sabines TIE was horrible, they took away it's unique status and now you can fly 5 of the things.

Was it recanonized by Tarkin. I don't recall this, nor is it recorded as such on the Wookiee. If you can give me a page number (or roughly where I can find the reference in the book), I'd be happy to try updating Wookieepedia to reflect the recanonization. While I'm not going to say that I think the Ton Falk is the prettiest ship ever, I do have a soft spot for it. Certainly softer than the Quasar Fire.

Are you one the correct Wookiee page? It has been separated into canon vs EU, so a lot of topics actually have 2 pages. There is a banner at the top of them saying the topic is a part of legends.

For example:Here is the legends Immobilizer http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Immobilizer_418_cruiser vs the canon Immobilizer http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Immobilizer_418_cruiser/Canon

Thematically I don't like the idea of sticking squadron-oriented upgrades onto GR-75's or Gozanti's as people are doing right now; to me a Ton-Falk or Quasar Fire would be much more inline with that kind of idea. Let them be medium capital ships with a 5 squadron command that can be boosted with expanded hangars, long-range comms, BCC's and other goodies. Of course at that point maybe they become the biggest target on the board? I wonder how much of a change that would invoke in the current state of play?

A monster, that is barely larger than a Gladiator? Kind of like a Pocket Monster. Catch them all?

Dreadnaughts I believe are atleast 600 meters, and being the template for the AF, it would be mediumship. If ever made to Armada by FFG.

You Rebels would be preciously cute, if you weren't nefarious nihilists, intent on destroying galactic civilization. Yes, I'm sure 600 meters seems large to you, given the piddly size of your other ships. That is still a whole 100m shy of an AFMkII, and only just 100m longer than a Gladiator.

Surely you do not think of that as being impressive, or really worthy of the name 'dreadnought'.

P.S. Don't mind my bombastic attitude. I'm just channeling my inner Imperial to get more Dark Side energy on my side tonight and for Saturday's Regional competition.

To be fair, it is a Dreadnaught Class Heavy Cruiser:

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Dreadnaught-class_heavy_cruiser

And it should be part of the imperial fleet while the rebels get the Mk. 1 AF

If its not a Triangle, a Bow Tie, or vaguely ***** shaped, Mikael isn't Empire-Interested....

If its not a Triangle, a Bow Tie, or vaguely ***** shaped, Mikael isn't Empire-Interested....

I don't think the Dreadnaught class would look bad with an imperial upgrade. Stick an extra engine on each side of the main engine array, and a nice wedge surface connecting them to the main body and running the length of the ship. Call it an Imperial Heavy Cruiser in keeping with their imaginative naming conventions.

I would still like to see Clone Wars era ships used by Rebs and Empire, as well as Dp 20 and AFMK1before this, but I would not object to FFG designing a ship or two. The Imperial Raider is honestly one of my favorite Imperial designs!

A monster, that is barely larger than a Gladiator? Kind of like a Pocket Monster. Catch them all?

Dreadnaughts I believe are atleast 600 meters, and being the template for the AF, it would be mediumship. If ever made to Armada by FFG.

You Rebels would be preciously cute, if you weren't nefarious nihilists, intent on destroying galactic civilization. Yes, I'm sure 600 meters seems large to you, given the piddly size of your other ships. That is still a whole 100m shy of an AFMkII, and only just 100m longer than a Gladiator.

Surely you do not think of that as being impressive, or really worthy of the name 'dreadnought'.

P.S. Don't mind my bombastic attitude. I'm just channeling my inner Imperial to get more Dark Side energy on my side tonight and for Saturday's Regional competition.

I guess your superiors also consider it "impressive" and "worthy of the name" as they're still found in your own sector fleets

(just playing along with your inner imperial )

Was it recanonized by Tarkin. I don't recall this, nor is it recorded as such on the Wookiee. If you can give me a page number (or roughly where I can find the reference in the book), I'd be happy to try updating Wookieepedia to reflect the recanonization. While I'm not going to say that I think the Ton Falk is the prettiest ship ever, I do have a soft spot for it. Certainly softer than the Quasar Fire.

Are you one the correct Wookiee page? It has been separated into canon vs EU, so a lot of topics actually have 2 pages. There is a banner at the top of them saying the topic is a part of legends.

For example:Here is the legends Immobilizer http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Immobilizer_418_cruiser vs the canon Immobilizer http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Immobilizer_418_cruiser/Canon

I realize that. I'm on this page: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Ton-Falk-class_escort_carrier . It doesn't have a link to a canon page. Do you have a direct link to a canon page?

A monster, that is barely larger than a Gladiator? Kind of like a Pocket Monster. Catch them all?

Dreadnaughts I believe are atleast 600 meters, and being the template for the AF, it would be mediumship. If ever made to Armada by FFG.

You Rebels would be preciously cute, if you weren't nefarious nihilists, intent on destroying galactic civilization. Yes, I'm sure 600 meters seems large to you, given the piddly size of your other ships. That is still a whole 100m shy of an AFMkII, and only just 100m longer than a Gladiator.

Surely you do not think of that as being impressive, or really worthy of the name 'dreadnought'.

P.S. Don't mind my bombastic attitude. I'm just channeling my inner Imperial to get more Dark Side energy on my side tonight and for Saturday's Regional competition.

I guess your superiors also consider it "impressive" and "worthy of the name" as they're still found in your own sector fleets

(just playing along with your inner imperial )

Well, we certainly have smaller vessels, but we wouldn't go and call them 'monsters'.

Maybe some different types of flotillas like anew anti squadron patrol group

Do you have a direct link to a canon page?

No, I can't find it. Perhaps a page hasn't been created for it.

Sorry, I don't own a copy. I just got it from the library a while back. The I'm 90% sure it was referred to as an escort carrier. It was from this ship that Vader & Tarkin staged the fighter assault on the rebel group at the refueling station. Tarkin in a V-wing, Vader in his black Atticus Intercepter.

If my memory of 20 century American literature is correct, Atticus is white.

If my memory of 20 century American literature is correct, Atticus is white.

According to Watchman...

I'll stop, sorry for being a lit troll!

If its not a Triangle, a Bow Tie, or vaguely ***** shaped, Mikael isn't Empire-Interested....

I don't think the Dreadnaught class would look bad with an imperial upgrade. Stick an extra engine on each side of the main engine array, and a nice wedge surface connecting them to the main body and running the length of the ship. Call it an Imperial Heavy Cruiser in keeping with their imaginative naming conventions.

Because I have to much time and drafting software:

http://imgur.com/ezXoPb3

If its not a Triangle, a Bow Tie, or vaguely ***** shaped, Mikael isn't Empire-Interested....

I don't think the Dreadnaught class would look bad with an imperial upgrade. Stick an extra engine on each side of the main engine array, and a nice wedge surface connecting them to the main body and running the length of the ship. Call it an Imperial Heavy Cruiser in keeping with their imaginative naming conventions.

Because I have to much time and drafting software:

http://imgur.com/ezXoPb3

I got a fever, and the only perscription, is MORE SPACE TRIANGLES!

I gotta have more space-triangle!

Yes, the Hammerhead will likely come to Armada, but i just really don't see a use for it atm. Everything it can do, the CR90 Corvette can do better. But oh well...

I'm lousy at predictions, but i'll go with the MC-40 Cruiser for the rebels and the Vindicator-Class Cruiser for the Imperials. Let's see some Medium-ship love

The hammerheads will look different though - and while that might not matter as much to some, personally I'm a very visual gamer and love to see diversity on the table top. I imagine they could be more like the Raider than the CR-90 - they might not have red dice, and they might be better against squadrons. Even slight differences can be significant here. Suppose they are JUST like a CR-90 but have 2 braces in place of the 2 evades - Now suddenly they can fill a different role altogether. They might work will with Ackbar, but wouldn't so much with Mon Mothma. They wouldn't take TRCs, but might take something else...

Why? The Empire had a single class of large ship because it was all they needed. That's why it was so general purpose. It makes sense for them to have only one large ship. The Rebs had to grab whatever they could and ended with quite the mishmash and thus have a large number of different classes available.

Mind you, I wouldn't be against another large option for the Imps, I'm just saying that it makes sense that they only have a single class of ship.

It's not about replicating the cinematic experience - otherwise it'd be a higher point limit so you could field more than 3 ISDs, and by the way, also have a Super Star Destroyer. Meanwhile the rebels would have... well virtually everything they can muster! - Actually yes that'll be the end-game for Correllian Conflict actually if you have a good 1500 point battle! Oh man that's gonna be insane! But either way, this is a game, and you NEED more variety if you want people to enjoy it. Can't just be like "Imps have the ISD and that's it."

And I've seen people ask for a "Wingless Liberty" a couple times - can anyone explain to me what exactly they are talking about? Do they not know that we had a Home One expansion already?

Look at the establishing shot in RotJ of the Sullust fleet: the ILM crew had 3 types of MC80: the Liberty, Home One, and the Liberty with wings removed and an extra engine. In terms of what's on screen, the wingless liberty are actually the most numerous MC type ship in the Endor fleet as they fill in the most often for "background blob" ship MC.

And I perfectly respect your opinions: I'll still personally be hoping for a dual faction space triangle!

Wingless Liberty to the starboard aft of Home One

Studio model, ventral shot.

See I just look at that and see another Home-One style MC-80, but with a slightly different engine configuration. I remember reading a long time ago that all Mon Calamari ships were created to be slightly different, so it stands to reason that this ship could be one of the other named ships from that expansion... IE Independence or Defiance. But Thanks either way for clearing that up. I just can't see them making a 3rd MC-80, especially one that's going to look exactly like the 1st MC-80 to 98% of the customers that walk passed it in the stores.

I also want to see what the new Star Hawk looks like from Life Debt.

I'm actually not opposed to FFG making a third class of Mon Calamari Star Cruiser that is an amalgamation of the varying designs we haven't seen yet. Would add to the Rebels visual fidelity to diveristy.

See I just look at that and see another Home-One style MC-80, but with a slightly different engine configuration. I remember reading a long time ago that all Mon Calamari ships were created to be slightly different, so it stands to reason that this ship could be one of the other named ships from that expansion... IE Independence or Defiance. But Thanks either way for clearing that up. I just can't see them making a 3rd MC-80, especially one that's going to look exactly like the 1st MC-80 to 98% of the customers that walk passed it in the stores.

I also want to see what the new Star Hawk looks like from Life Debt.

It's interesting you mention that! The whole reason ILM built the wingless liberty was for more visual diversity for the Rebel fleet !!

Admittedly, it didn't work that great! But me being an obsessive fan, I do really hope we get that wingless guy in there somehow- even if it's very similar to the Home One type, a few different upgrade slots, a different nav chart, etc. can make ALL the difference. I personally think the game system is robust enough to handle plenty of "same role" type ships with otherwise very subtle differences.

For example, what if the wingless Lib had the def tokens/upgrade slots and nav chart of the Lib with the shields/armament of the Home One type? that would be neat!

While I agree with DUR's idea, I really think that if we get a wingless-Liberty, it should be away down the line. There are soooo many other designs that should be released before we get another MC-80!

DURs idea of the wingless Liberty being a Liberty speed, upgrades and tokens on a home one frighten me dearly. Think of the ackbar crazy.

HOLD THE PHONE!

I was looking around and i've found a ship I don't think ever mentioned in the forums at least in regards to future rebel ships.

The Braha'tok-class gunship apparently is capable of carrying two X-Wings into battle despite not being a carrier.

(It's the ship in the top right corner.)

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Braha%27tok-class_gunship/Canon

I smell a rebel combat based flotilla, maybe even an AA focused flotilla.

Actually there have been several of us that have been championing the Braha'tok gunship. Welcome to the party

_{You know I for one want a really big Imperial ship and I think they could totally pull something like the Aramadia super star destroyer. If you compare it the the victory, which is roughly 900m and 5.5in in game, then the Aramadia would pan out to 20in or less in game.}

_{This would feel about right while not being too big to be playable, and also not having to scale it down like other super star destroyer models would.}

_{I do think they would have to add a new game mode though for this to make it in game with increased point limits, but I would buy this in a heartbeat if it came out.}