Okay minions only take wounds and strain is converted to wounds....

Does this mean your stun / strain damage gets 'soaked' as well? That is...strain damage inflicted (from a nonlethal weapon) to minion...converted to wounds which is soaked?

Is there a FAQ or rules example of this?

Thanks!

As far as I know, Strain suffered from Stun Damage Weapons or Weapons with the Stun Setting is soaked as normal.

Strain suffered voluntarily through talents or additional maneuvers is not affected by soak.

Stun Damage is soaked, anyhow, only the active Stun quality isn't

Yes my question is how strain (say from talents) is converted to wounds for minions. Wounds of course are normally soaked.

i.e. if you use Scathing Tirade (strain damage) against a minion does the minny soak the converted wound damage then?

If the strain would otherwise not have been soaked, then the wounds would not have been soaked.

It helps to think of it like this: when applying effects, the conversion from strains to wounds is the last step in the process, not the first.

If the strain would otherwise not have been soaked, then the wounds would not have been soaked.

It helps to think of it like this: when applying effects, the conversion from strains to wounds is the last step in the process, not the first.

Is that in the CRB or FAQ? I didn't see it in the FAQ but the rules are all over the place. (example healing is 3 sidebars in 3 diff chapters...). Page#? Thanks!

It seems like two different terms getting mixed up is the cause of the issue. There is no such thing as "strain damage" but instead there is inflicted or suffered strain (which is not soaked), and Stun Damage which applies its damage as strain instead of wounds. Effectively, if it is damage it will be soaked and if it is strain it will not be. The best example of a side-by-side comparison I can think of is falling. EotE table 6-9 (p. 215) has a column for damage and a column for strain which implies (and is laid down in the text) that the strain is no soaked while the damage is.

If the strain would otherwise not have been soaked, then the wounds would not have been soaked.

It helps to think of it like this: when applying effects, the conversion from strains to wounds is the last step in the process, not the first.

Is that in the CRB or FAQ? I didn't see it in the FAQ but the rules are all over the place. (example healing is 3 sidebars in 3 diff chapters...). Page#? Thanks!

Not RAW, just a helpful way of understanding when to apply affects.

As far as I know, Strain suffered from Stun Damage Weapons or Weapons with the Stun Setting is soaked as normal.

Strain suffered voluntarily through talents or additional maneuvers is not affected by soak.

I think that's correct - I'd like to also point out that Minions cannot voluntarily suffer Strain.

If the strain would otherwise not have been soaked, then the wounds would not have been soaked.

It helps to think of it like this: when applying effects, the conversion from strains to wounds is the last step in the process, not the first.

Is that in the CRB or FAQ? I didn't see it in the FAQ but the rules are all over the place. (example healing is 3 sidebars in 3 diff chapters...). Page#? Thanks!

Yes it's in all core rule books in the NPC chapters.

May I have a page # please? Thanks!

Well, my corollary question is this: when a minion group suffers strain from its own actions (such as rolling several Threat on an action), does that get soaked or not?

What I've read so far would seem to indicate "No," as it's suffered strain, which is then converted to damage by the fact that minions don't have a Strain Threshold (as kaosoe mentioned above). There are a number of narrative ways to incorporate that damage, most of which involve weaponry, but it's really the Threat which is causing the damage - mechanically - not actual weapons usage.

i.e. if you use Scathing Tirade (strain damage) against a minion does the minny soak the converted wound damage then?

No.

But the damage is applied to wounds not strain.

So yes, you can literally shout stormtroopers to death. Harsh language literally makes their heads explode.

May I have a page # please? Thanks!

It's step 6 in the "Perform a Combat Check" process and the page varies from CRB to CRB.

i.e. if you use Scathing Tirade (strain damage) against a minion does the minny soak the converted wound damage then?

No.

But the damage is applied to wounds not strain.

So yes, you can literally shout stormtroopers to death. Harsh language literally makes their heads explode.

I don't think you are supposed to use a narrative that does make their heads explode literally from Scathing Tirade… ;-)

But they are definitely out of combat for that encounter.

i.e. if you use Scathing Tirade (strain damage) against a minion does the minny soak the converted wound damage then?

No.

But the damage is applied to wounds not strain.

So yes, you can literally shout stormtroopers to death. Harsh language literally makes their heads explode.

I don't think you are supposed to use a narrative that does make their heads explode literally from Scathing Tirade… ;-)

But they are definitely out of combat for that encounter.

Minions can also be not dead when their wound threshold is exceeded, so you can just stress them into fainting or something. Or narrate them as being so flustered they accidentally grenade or shoot themselves.

Or the Politico has a Weirding Module and likes to shout "Muad'dib" a lot.

Remember that Minions can't voluntarily suffer strain either, they can't use talents that would give them strain. They can also never perform an Action and 2 Manoeuvres in a single round by suffering 2 Strain.

The point raised earlier about "resolve everything as normal then convert any strain to wounds at the end" is the simplest way to think about it when they are the target.

i.e. if you use Scathing Tirade (strain damage) against a minion does the minny soak the converted wound damage then?

No.

But the damage is applied to wounds not strain.

So yes, you can literally shout stormtroopers to death. Harsh language literally makes their heads explode.

I don't think you are supposed to use a narrative that does make their heads explode literally from Scathing Tirade… ;-)

But they are definitely out of combat for that encounter.

Minions can also be not dead when their wound threshold is exceeded, so you can just stress them into fainting or something. Or narrate them as being so flustered they accidentally grenade or shoot themselves.

Or the Politico has a Weirding Module and likes to shout "Muad'dib" a lot.

Actually, my other thread where I discuss my character build...my schtick for this ability was the Voice. And he's the smooth talker inspired from BSG's Iblis. Doing my best to mix as many I.P.'s as I can. Suppose he can be fond of wearing red shirts...

May I have a page # please? Thanks!

All EotE Core:

157 - Stun Quality: causes strain to the target

157 - Stun Damage: Causes Strain that is reduced by soak

207 - Soak does not reduce Strain inflicted on a target except in specific circumstances (such as weapons with the Stun Damage quality)

Also note wordage in things like Scathing Tirade (142) stating the "target suffers strain" as oppose to damage, and Pressure point (141) which "deals damage as strain" and specifically has to call out it's ability to ignore soak.