Quiz me.

By Rogue Dakotan, in Imperial Assault Rules Questions

I'm judging for IA at Worlds this year.

Hit me with some rules questions and I'll try and resolve them.

Call me out if I miss something.

Can whisper cloak before dengar shoots her back and good luck judging :)

wait this is x wing right :(

Can whisper cloak before dengar shoots her back and good luck judging :)

Depends on who has inititiative. :P

okay so whisper has initiative with advanced cloaking device, whisper shoots dengar first does she get her cloak before dengar gets to shoot back

with his abilty

This is the IA forum. I'm Juding IA. :P

Ask me IA stuff.

But to answer your question I think if Whisper has initiative, she gets to choose which effect triggers first since they have the same timing trigger.

No more X-Wing questions. :P

How do Doors work?

If a figure or object is on blocking terrain, how can you attack or interact with them?

How do Doors work?

Well the motion sensors on all the doors have broken, so you'll have to open them manually. But in order to do that you have to be standing in one of the two spaces directly in front of the door, as these are the only spaces considered to be adjacent to the door. So no standing off to the side and pushing the button to open it, as odd as it seems.

Also doors only open. They can't close. We've yet to figure that technology out.

If a figure or object is on blocking terrain, how can you attack or interact with them?

If a figure is on blocking terrain, if you want to target that figure, you can sort of assume that for the purposes of the attack (drawing LOS/adjacency), the space its on isn't blocking terrain. Any other blocking terrain spaces around the figure still block LOS though. Sort of an oversimplified version of how that works but still.

Oh look, an example of this. ;)

Edited by RogueLieutenant

Judge!

My opponent didn't focus his elite stormtrooper when one in that group died, and it's been an activation since then. Does he get to still apply it?

Judge!

My opponent is telling me to reroll a die that landed mostly flat but is touching a stray damage token. I think it is pretty clear which side is face up.

Judge!

My opponent played Urgency, moved 2, then attacked. Now he wants to move more or take back Urgency.

I would also love to find out the official answer for this line of play:

Junk droid is on the board.

Activate ugnaught group.

Activate junk droid, move/attack.

Activate ugnaught figure, move/spawn new junk droid. This removes it from the map, and places it where I want. Does this count as entering play, therefore readying the card? If so, then continue with:

Activate junk droid, move/attack.

Nothing in any FAQ or the rules really answers this vague part of the rules, and FFG won't respond to rules queries about this situation.

Are you an official FFG person?

I'll try to come up with some more interesting scenarios.

Edited by DTDanix

Spot Weld doesn't place where you want, it needs to be adjacent to the Ugnaught Tinkerer. :P

(Yes, that's a hard question: whether to rule Spot Weld as intended or as written. I.e. removed as-if being defeated first then placed, or just picked up and placed.)

You know what I meant. Where I want from the legal available spaces to place it :)

Removed isn't necessarily defeated.

Removed from the map isn't necessarily removed from play.

These vague things are annoying, and why I've submitted multiple rules queries about it.

I think the hinge here is: Does remove from the map equal remove from play? Then placing it would be entering play, which would ready the card. I lean towards yes, but I could see the ruling go either way.

Judge!

My opponent didn't focus his elite stormtrooper when one in that group died, and it's been an activation since then. Does he get to still apply it?

You can retroactively apply the focus if both of you agree to it. Otherwise it's a missed opportunity. Though it's on both of you to keep track of that since it's not an optional ability. If you intentionally let your opponent miss that stuff you're cheating by creating an inproper game state.

Judge!

My opponent is telling me to reroll a die that landed mostly flat but is touching a stray damage token. I think it is pretty clear which side is face up.

Place another die on top of it. If it slides off, it's cocked and must be re-rolled.

I haven't seen this in writing but I think this is the official ruling. If you have proof of this please link it, or if you think the ruling is otherwise let me know.

Judge!

My opponent played Urgency, moved 2, then attacked. Now he wants to move more or take back Urgency.

When you play urgency you must use 100% of the movement points gained from urgency immediately. You've already attacked so you can't take back the card. You've lost those movement points.

I would also love to find out the official answer for this line of play:

Junk droid is on the board.

Activate ugnaught group.

Activate junk droid, move/attack.

Activate ugnaught figure, move/spawn new junk droid. This removes it from the map, and places it where I want. Does this count as entering play, therefore readying the card? If so, then continue with:

Activate junk droid, move/attack.

I spose here I'd have to go with rules as written and consider it to work as you describe. I'll probably have to ask the head judge about this when I get there as it's really unclear.

Nothing in any FAQ or the rules really answers this vague part of the rules, and FFG won't respond to rules queries about this situation.

Are you an official FFG person?

I'm not an employee of FFG. (I guess I technically will be for the weekend). But no I'm not an official FFG person, just someone excited to lend a hand at Worlds.

I'll try to come up with some more interesting scenarios.

Thanks for the questions. These were good practice lol.

Edited by RogueLieutenant

Judge, my opponent is not playing Thematically! ;)

Edited by Spidey NZ

Judge, my opponent is not playing Thematically! ;)

In this case we can both silently judge your opponent but other than that he's within the rules. :P

I spose here I'd have to go with rules as written and consider it to work as you describe. I'll probably have to ask the head judge about this when I get there as it's really unclear.

Actually, the literal (rules-as-written) interpretation of Place of Spot Weld is to pick up the Junk Droid and place it into the new location. If it was on the map previously, Placing it to a different (or same) space does nothing to its damage tokens, conditions, nor the state of the deployment card.

However, the intent is that Spot Weld would recreate the Junk Droid and discard the old one. The new one would thus enter the game ready without damage or conditions and can thus activate after the Ugnaught figure.

I too have asked if the decision about which way to play would be made for the next FAQ. (In our Bespin Gambit campaign we agreed to play it as intended, although the situation where it would have mattered didn't manifest itself.)

Some of the weirdest rule questions I've seen:

E = E-web (large figure, NON-mobile), W = water (difficult terrain), T = empty space

How many MPs does it take to move to X?

E W X T

E W X T

TTTT

TTTT

to Y? '-' = walls, S = enemy

E E |T T
T| YY T
T|TTT
STTT

B = Bantha, A = ATST, T = open terrain

Can X see Y? Can ATST see X? Can Bantha see Y?

TBBTAAT
X BBTAA Y
TBBTAAT

Can X see Y? Can ATST see X? Can Bantha see Y?

TBBAAT
X BBAA Y
TBBAAT

Assuming X can blast, is there any way that X can blast Y?
TTAAT
X TAA Y
TTAAT
F = Fenn, S = Stormie, '-' = Door, T = open space
If Fenn targets (any of the 2) Stormie, triggers blast & destroys door, does Y suffers blast damage? Can Fenn target the door?
TTS|TT
F TS| Y T
Can Fenn target the door?
S|T
S|T
F
Can the Grand inquisitor target Storm1 and cleave door?
S |T
S1|T
G

If HK droids are attacking Diala, what's the order of the rerolls?

Officer Order -> Jyn hair trigger. Is this legal?

Bonus: What's your threshold before saying "this dice must be rigged"?
Edited by ricope

I spose here I'd have to go with rules as written and consider it to work as you describe. I'll probably have to ask the head judge about this when I get there as it's really unclear.

Actually, the literal (rules-as-written) interpretation of Place of Spot Weld is to pick up the Junk Droid and place it into the new location. If it was on the map previously, Placing it to a different (or same) space does nothing to its damage tokens, conditions, nor the state of the deployment card.

However, the intent is that Spot Weld would recreate the Junk Droid and discard the old one. The new one would thus enter the game ready without damage or conditions and can thus activate after the Ugnaught figure.

I too have asked if the decision about which way to play would be made for the next FAQ. (In our Bespin Gambit campaign we agreed to play it as intended, although the situation where it would have mattered didn't manifest itself.)

Got it. Good to know. I'll definitely ask one of the designers (pretty sure they'll be helping judge and stuff) when I get there.

Some of the weirdest rule questions I've seen:

E = E-web (large figure, NON-mobile), W = water (difficult terrain), T = empty space

How many MPs does it take to move to X?

E W X T

E W X T

TTTT

TTTT

3 mp. Large figures only pay the extra movement point cost once and not for each space their base covers.

to Y? '-' = walls, S = enemy

E E |T T

T| YY T

T|TTT

STTT

8

B = Bantha, A = ATST, T = open terrain

Can X see Y? Can ATST see X? Can Bantha see Y?

TBBTAAT

X BBTAA Y

TBBTAAT

X and Y can't see each other. Bantha cannot see Y.

Can X see Y? Can ATST see X? Can Bantha see Y?

TBBAAT

X BBAA Y

TBBAAT

Same as above. You can't draw LOS through other figures (unless you have Priority Target or some other special effect.) If X wanted to shoot at the ATST he could see it since nothing blocks LOS to Massive figures (except walls), but X can't see Y hiding behind the ATST.
Assuming X can blast, is there any way that X can blast Y?
TTAAT
X TAA Y
TTAAT
Figures do not block line of sight to themselves. So X should be able to target one of the spaces of A that is adjacent to Y and then blast. Blast will only affect Y and not A.
F = Fenn, S = Stormie, '-' = Door, T = open space
If Fenn targets (any of the 2) Stormie, triggers blast & destroys door, does Y suffers blast damage? Can Fenn target the door?
TTS|TT
F TS| Y T
If blast destroys the door, the figures on the other side won't suffer any blast damage.
In this case Fenn cannot see the door because of the stormtroopers.
Can Fenn target the door?
S|T
S|T
F
No
Can the Grand inquisitor target Storm1 and cleave door?
S |T
S1|T
G
No. The door is not a valid target from a meelee attack from G. You can only melee a door from S and S1 spaces.

If HK droids are attacking Diala, what's the order of the rerolls?

HK's get to reroll her defense dice before she does.

Officer Order -> Jyn hair trigger. Is this legal?

Do you mean, Officer orders a Stormtrooper, and then Jyn Hair Triggers on the Stormtrooper? That's not allowed. The stormtrooper is interrupting, not starting its activation.

Bonus: What's your threshold before saying "this dice must be rigged"?
6 Dodges in a row.

I'd like some input on my answers listed in Blue.

It feels so intuitive that the answer is the Stormtroopers are blocking sight to the door, but:

"When attacking a door, using an ability that affects a door,

or counting spaces to a door, the door is considered to be

occupying each empty space with which it shares an edge"

You shoot at those spaces, not the door itself.

I suppose since you're targeting the door, the Stories would block LOS, so if you can draw LOS to those spaces without the Stormies being in the way, then yes? It feels wrong lol.

Each figure and object suffers blast one at a time, in the order of the attacker's choosing, not simultaneously. If the door is destroyed by blast, the figure Y is now adjacent to the target space (S) and is affected by blast. (Unless you are dumb and check that figure first and apply blast to the door last.)

Fenn cannot target the door because the door does not occupy any space that Fenn could target.

If one of the S spaces were empty, Fenn could target the door.

Edited by a1bert

Yeah I wasn't being clear on the wordings, players always say "I want to shoot at doors" when the correct term is "I want to shoot at the empty space that the door is occupying" (not an empty space -> does not have LOS)

Bantha's a Massive figure. I thought Massive only blocks figures LOS to and from themselves (i.e. when a small figure is shooting at massive OR when massive is shooting at small)? How does X see ATST from here?

Can X see Y? Can ATST see X? Can Bantha see Y?

TBBAAT
X BBAA Y
TBBAAT

If X wanted to shoot at the ATST he could see it since nothing blocks LOS to Massive figures (except walls)

For this one we played it as Storm didn't die so it was illegal, but I think if S1 actually got killed by G, then the door is a valid target for cleave?

Can the Grand inquisitor target Storm1 and cleave door?

S |T
S1|T
G

Finally, I think the order of door blasting was cleared by Paul here

If S1 is defeated, and the attack has Reach and Cleave, G can choose the door as the target for Cleave.

Otherwise, because only the two spaces sharing an edge with the door are adjacent to the door, a melee Cleave cannot affect the door, because Cleave requires adjacency.

The missing quoting is a little confusing, but:

Figures other than attacker and target block line of sight. Figures do not block line of sight to and from a Massive figure. (Because there is no extra qualifiers, Massive figures do not block line of sight to and from another Massive figure either.) So X sees AT-ST because figures (Bantha) does not block line of sight to a massive figure (AT-ST).

Edited by a1bert

Okay, here's a couple of subjects.

A) Can I used a surge for stun on an attack killing a Hired Gun to prevent it from using Parting Shot?

B) Can I use abilities or command cards that do not require an action while I'm on top of figures I'm currently moving through? (e.g. could I play Grizzly Contest to affect the adjacent figure Z while I'm moving past it on top of figure X?)

C) My opponent is attacking with one of his HK Assasin Droids. First he rerolls one of his own dice, then he has me reroll one of mine. Can I now play Tough Luck on the attack die he rerolled (despite another die having been rerolled inbetween)?

D) Can I roll my dice out of sight of my opponent, not allowing him to see the result on the table, pick up the die out of his sight and present the die result in my hand in the air?

E) I want to shoot at my opponent's massive figure. The nearest part of the figure is on top of a space with blocking terrain. With large figures I can decide what space under that figure I'm targeting with my attack. Can I only shot at the nearest space overlapping the blocking terrain or can I trace line of sight to any part of that figure through the blocking space it is overlapping? (I would be surprised if this doesn't pop up at some point on the new map)

F) Can I play Comm Disruption to counter a zero cost command card regardless of whether I have any spies in play?

G) One of my figures has just suffered two or more strain from the same effect. Can I freely divide the strain between damage and discarding cards from my CC deck? And if so, can I do this in any order, seeing what card I discarded for each strain before deciding for the next one?

H) It is time for the End of Round-effects of a game that has yet to see a winner. The mission will award points to both players, bringing Bob (w/ Initiative) to 42 points and Trajan to 43 points. Which of them are going to win this match and would the answer be different based on which of the missions they're playing?

Edited by Cremate

...I can keep these coming. :D

I) Can I use Single Purpose to do a special action on a command card twice?