T-70 X-Wing Pilot Nien Nunb. If Nien Nunb is at range one of an opponent and he uses Rage EPT would he clear both stress or just one.

I say both.

This probably falls under the once per opportunity rule. I say no.

I would say it's double dipping and violating the once per opportunity rule, and you'd only be allowed to remove one.

This probably falls under the once per opportunity rule. I say no.

That's what I thought but I looked in the FAQ and the rules reference guide but didn't see a entry for once per opportunity. Maybe i missed it. Ill check again. Otherwise can someone point me to where the once per opportunity rule is explained

This probably falls under the once per opportunity rule. I say no.

That's what I thought but I looked in the FAQ and the rules reference guide but didn't see a entry for once per opportunity. Maybe i missed it. Ill check again. Otherwise can someone point me to where the once per opportunity rule is explained

Rules Reference, Page 8, Card Abilities.

So hear me out for a second. If both tokens are placed simultaneously I would agree that Nien Nunb would not be able to clear both stress tokens under the once per opportunity rule. But if each token is placed separately, one at a time, I think he would. I don't think there is a precedent for how tokens are placed but am I incorrect in thinking so. I don't think Nien Nunb + Rage is the greatest combo out there but could be fun.

Firstly for those that don’t know the exact wording here is Nien Numbs pilot ability:

When you receive a stress token, if there is an enemy ship inside your firing arc at Range 1, you may discard that stress token.

So the first thing to consider is, if you use rage does this trigger Nien's ability twice? I'm inclined to say it actually does, because it says when you receive a stress token, indicating a singular entity. As such I believe that RAW you would actually get to remove both stress tokens.

Were it to be worded like this:

When you receive 1 or more stress tokens etc. it would only trigger once and that would be the end of it.

Having said that I could easily see this being ruled RAI and restricted to just one stress token removal.

This argument keeps coming up with rage and it is just so weird to me every time. Whether it's soontir fel, captain yorr, electronic baffle, or nien numb rage gives 2 stress tokens which then each trigger abilities.

None of those abilities specify "whenever you recieve 1 stress token" or "once per turn when you recieve a stress token" so they trigger for every stress token you recieve.

The 'once per opportunity' rule doesn't apply here, you recieve stress token 1 and stress token 2 and stress token 1 gets a trigger and stress token 2 gets a trigger. Unless there becomes a game entity known as 'twostresstokens' such that it's different from recieving 1 stress token then receiving 1 stress token again then there is no problem triggering these abilities twice.

Moral of the story, nien can clear both rage tokens if he's in arc range 1 of an enemy.

Both. Each token is a separate opportunity.

If it is both, and Im inclined to think it is, NN + Rage seems incredibly potent. TL + Focus in a single package.

If it is both, and Im inclined to think it is, NN + Rage seems incredibly potent. TL + Focus in a single package.

It's good, but risky. If you *don't* manage to make range 1, you effectively lose your EPT that round.

It's good but risky sums up most strategies with nien numb pilot I think.

If it is both, and Im inclined to think it is, NN + Rage seems incredibly potent. TL + Focus in a single package.

It's good, but risky. If you *don't* manage to make range 1, you effectively lose your EPT that round.

Is it really any different than say having opportunist outmaneuver as your EPT and not being outside of the defenders arc one round? Take rage as EPT on him and if you end up at range 1 use it as an action, and if not don't since you can still choose to only focus or only TL and not be stressed for full options next round. Doesn't really sound risky to me.

Edit: Oops, I was thinking that I had the wrong card when I originally typed it but then hit the post button before I could check it so now it's fixed.

If it is both, and Im inclined to think it is, NN + Rage seems incredibly potent. TL + Focus in a single package.

It's good, but risky. If you *don't* manage to make range 1, you effectively lose your EPT that round.

Is it really any different than say having opportunist as your EPT and not being outside of the defenders arc one round? Take rage as EPT on him and if you end up at range 1 use it as an action, and if not don't since you can still choose to only focus or only TL and not be stressed for full options next round. Doesn't really sound risky to me.

I'd say Opportunist is risky as well, personally; I never use it myself. So yeah, it's the same thing

If it is both, and Im inclined to think it is, NN + Rage seems incredibly potent. TL + Focus in a single package.

It's good, but risky. If you *don't* manage to make range 1, you effectively lose your EPT that round.

Is it really any different than say having opportunist Outmaneuver as your EPT and not being outside of the defenders arc one round? Take rage as EPT on him and if you end up at range 1 use it as an action, and if not don't since you can still choose to only focus or only TL and not be stressed for full options next round. Doesn't really sound risky to me.

FTFY. Well, either that or change "outside of the defender's arc" to "the defender having a focus/evade token".

If it is both, and Im inclined to think it is, NN + Rage seems incredibly potent. TL + Focus in a single package.

It's good, but risky. If you *don't* manage to make range 1, you effectively lose your EPT that round.

Is it really any different than say having opportunist Outmaneuver as your EPT and not being outside of the defenders arc one round? Take rage as EPT on him and if you end up at range 1 use it as an action, and if not don't since you can still choose to only focus or only TL and not be stressed for full options next round. Doesn't really sound risky to me.

FTFY. Well, either that or change "outside of the defender's arc" to "the defender having a focus/evade token".

Thanks, you ninja'd my edit.

The entire game is handled 1 by 1. There isnt ANYTHING in this game, even damage cards, that are dealt at once and you can only resolve the first one // last one.

Each stress is a separate instance. His ability says nothing about once per round, activation, target, instance, whatever. Soontir gets a focus EVERY time he gets stressed, Thane gets his action EVERY time someone attacks in his arc not at him and he has actions left to take, and any "when attacking" resolves for every attack if you can manage to attack more than once. Nein Numb does not magically gain "once a round" or something of those lines, and since stress is assigned one at a time its not doubledipping the once per opportunity rule.

The entire game is handled 1 by 1. There isnt ANYTHING in this game, even damage cards, that are dealt at once and you can only resolve the first one // last one.

Each stress is a separate instance. His ability says nothing about once per round, activation, target, instance, whatever. Soontir gets a focus EVERY time he gets stressed, Thane gets his action EVERY time someone attacks in his arc not at him and he has actions left to take, and any "when attacking" resolves for every attack if you can manage to attack more than once. Nein Numb does not magically gain "once a round" or something of those lines, and since stress is assigned one at a time its not doubledipping the once per opportunity rule.

I think you're misunderstanding the folks who are citing "once per opportunity." In their view, Rage is a singular event that assigns two stress tokens at once. Nien Nunb's ability is written in the singular for both its trigger and its resolution (i.e. remove that stress token). The triggering event is receiving stress tokens, but Nien is getting two at the same time. Thus, since Nien can only use his ability once per triggering event, the once per opportunity rule would only allow him to clear one of the two stress tokens.

Edit: Never mind; I misread your post. That said, Rage is kind of a unique card in which you receive two stress tokens for one effect. I'm not sure that the rules regarding damage necessarily apply here, since that order is primarily because of damage deck composition and receiving critical hits.

I think the key thing to remember here is that activating and resolving the single action of rage is not what triggers Nein Numb, it is the multiple individual elements within rage's effect resolution that actually trigger NN's ability (multiple times)

NN would be a beast with a crew slot

If you do try a Raging Nien Nunb, remember this: the rules don't allow you to measure range/arc (to determine whether you can use NN's stress-clearing ability) until it's necessary. In other words, if you're farther away than you think you are, you can wind up double-stressed. You can't roll back the Rage action because you find out you can't use Nien's optional pilot ability.

If you do try a Raging Nien Nunb, remember this: the rules don't allow you to measure range/arc (to determine whether you can use NN's stress-clearing ability) until it's necessary. In other words, if you're farther away than you think you are, you can wind up double-stressed. You can't roll back the Rage action because you find out you can't use Nien's optional pilot ability.

Fair point, but true of many abilities. Judging those distances is all part of the skill (& joy!) of this game.

If you do try a Raging Nien Nunb, remember this: the rules don't allow you to measure range/arc (to determine whether you can use NN's stress-clearing ability) until it's necessary. In other words, if you're farther away than you think you are, you can wind up double-stressed. You can't roll back the Rage action because you find out you can't use Nien's optional pilot ability.

Fair point, but true of many abilities. Judging those distances is all part of the skill (& joy!) of this game.

High risk high reward. Effectively a tl and focus for no stress is that high reward.

Nien is such a cool ability

If you do try a Raging Nien Nunb, remember this: the rules don't allow you to measure range/arc (to determine whether you can use NN's stress-clearing ability) until it's necessary. In other words, if you're farther away than you think you are, you can wind up double-stressed. You can't roll back the Rage action because you find out you can't use Nien's optional pilot ability.

Fair point, but true of many abilities. Judging those distances is all part of the skill (& joy!) of this game.

High risk high reward. Effectively a tl and focus for no stress is that high reward.

Nien is such a cool ability

Exactly.