Needz moar pattern analyzer.
Sooo...is this going to be the standard Poe?
For whom says that Regen Poe is the only way, I need to say that actually the best way to use R2-D2 is to NOT trigger it.
Equip it, yes, but not trigger it.
T-70 lacks on green maneuver. And you can regenerate all the shield you want but just 1 per turn. And limiting yourself to 4 short green manevuer.
And no boost if you want a focus.
The thing besides R2-D2 is that you want that your opponent belive you will be a green maneuver. Not the rigenerate itself.
Be unpredictable. And with a Jouster, that is gold.
Of course, you can do it when needed. But guys, metagame is changed a lot since the TLT spam. Pretend to run Poe as 1 year ago is simply useless, to me.
Now, Poe has a lot of tricks and builds that can use.
I use my Poe to stay at range 2 as best I can against Dengar. Best he can do is 3 hits, if Dengar moves first I try to arc dodge, if I move first I go for the block. With sensor cluster, AT and Poes ability, you should be getting 2 evades a throw. if 1 hit gets through, use a green to get a shield back.
I am pretty sure that this is going to be the new Standard Poe here:
Poe Dameron (31)
Push the Limit (3)
R5-P9 (3)
Pattern Analyzer (2)
Autothrusters (2)
Black One (1)
Total: 42
This is the one for me. Unfortunately, it doesnt fit with a 59 point Rey so I have to drop the title.
I've also tried it with predator in place of push. Its a bit of a trade off because he always gets a re-roll on the turns he doesn't want to push (eg after a t-roll) or potentially off a white maneuver. Its a close call for me but I think push wins out because it lets Poe use his boost without the oppertunity cost of losing the pivotal focus.
r5-p9 lets Poe use his whole dial and synergizes with his ability perfectly. It would be far more effective to use that droid almost every round than equip R2 and never use him for the sake of being unpredictable.For whom says that Regen Poe is the only way, I need to say that actually the best way to use R2-D2 is to NOT trigger it.
Equip it, yes, but not trigger it.
T-70 lacks on green maneuver. And you can regenerate all the shield you want but just 1 per turn. And limiting yourself to 4 short green manevuer.
And no boost if you want a focus.
The thing besides R2-D2 is that you want that your opponent belive you will be a green maneuver. Not the rigenerate itself.
Be unpredictable. And with a Jouster, that is gold.
Of course, you can do it when needed. But guys, metagame is changed a lot since the TLT spam. Pretend to run Poe as 1 year ago is simply useless, to me.
Now, Poe has a lot of tricks and builds that can use.
With all the stress builds and token stripping out there these days, I'm not convinced R5-P9 is still the best for regening. One hotshot copilot or Wes Jansen shot at Poe and viola your 3 point Astromech is useless.
Bb8 Poe with title and Biggs is where it's at mark my words!
No....no
No regen = way too easy to kill.
And yet, shockingly, entire factions manage to persevere without it...No....no
No regen = way too easy to kill.
Not in a T-70, they don't.
Edited by ArbitraryNerdI am pretty sure that this is going to be the new Standard Poe here:
Poe Dameron (31)
Push the Limit (3)
R5-P9 (3)
Pattern Analyzer (2)
Autothrusters (2)
Black One (1)
Total: 42
It has regen, enough mobility with boost, a lot of defensive mechanisms through AT, Title, Regen. Pattern Analyzer is a nice addition because before it i tended to run Predator or Lone Wolf. But now, you can PTL, do Reds and have an easier time with Stress... that's just awesome. Expensive, but definitely dangerous.
I agree but swapping R5-P9 for R2d2 and only PA if you can afford it.
But this thread just goes to show that "the standard Poe" just won't exist for a while. Which is a great thing.
I am pretty sure that this is going to be the new Standard Poe here:
Poe Dameron (31)
Push the Limit (3)
R5-P9 (3)
Pattern Analyzer (2)
Autothrusters (2)
Black One (1)
Total: 42
It has regen, enough mobility with boost, a lot of defensive mechanisms through AT, Title, Regen. Pattern Analyzer is a nice addition because before it i tended to run Predator or Lone Wolf. But now, you can PTL, do Reds and have an easier time with Stress... that's just awesome. Expensive, but definitely dangerous.
I agree but swapping R5-P9 for R2d2 and only PA if you can afford it.
But this thread just goes to show that "the standard Poe" just won't exist for a while. Which is a great thing.
Maybe I should have titled it, "Will this be the iconic Poe"? hahaha
I am pretty sure that this is going to be the new Standard Poe here:Poe Dameron (31)Push the Limit (3)R5-P9 (3)Pattern Analyzer (2)Autothrusters (2)Black One (1)Total: 42
It has regen, enough mobility with boost, a lot of defensive mechanisms through AT, Title, Regen. Pattern Analyzer is a nice addition because before it i tended to run Predator or Lone Wolf. But now, you can PTL, do Reds and have an easier time with Stress... that's just awesome. Expensive, but definitely dangerous.
This, but with the PS 9 version for 44 points, paired with a super dash without EU (with Kanan opening up dat dial, the boost has been a lot less necessary). 2 point bid.
I like the idea behind BB-8 and Primed Thrusters, especially with the title if LRS bombers become an actual thing, but flying Pattern Analyzer Poe alongside a ship packing Kanan crew (if the timing works properly) can give an opponent a nasty surprise as the fast moving ship suddenly goes slow and the T-70 that loved it's greens suddenly pulls a hard 3.
No....no
No regen = way too easy to kill.
You can never be slippery enough to dodge turrets. Hell, even against nonturrers, yoyre just going to lose the dice war.
Poe or no, the t70 is a horrible platform to trade dice with and, unless youre an xwing god, you WILL bectrading dice
Just because you aren't any good with it doesn't mean it's bad.
We know Poe trades dice inherently well, because he did it for 6 months on only a focus token and only got pushed out by hyper accurate torp strikes.
Get outta here with this.
LOL Nikk, it is delicious how wrong you are. You are trying to be all high and mighty and authoritative while proving FGD's point and undercutting your own.
The Poe that you are referencing that was doing good (ie winning Worlds) DID HAVE REGEN AND ALSO AUTOTHRUSTERS. That's how it could trade dice. That's what Fickle is saying. A 40pt X-Wing with no regen and no defensive buff beyond IA is not a great investment in anything other than a casual game. This Poe hits only as hard as a TIE Defender, and the TIE Defender can more easily keep arc on the fight while also having far, far better defense. Oh, the TIE Defender is also cheaper. And backed by Palpatine insurance.
So yea, FGD is right. That Poe will be fun, but it won't be competitive. Investing 40% of your list into an average 3-die attack and mediocre defense and HP is not going to pay out very often. It'll be a lot of fun to boost and barrel roll all over the place though.
The Poe that was on both sides of the World's 2015 final match was:
Poe Dameron + R2‑D2(/R5-P9) + Veteran Instincts + Autothrusters
So I would say that regen was pretty key to Poe before Jumpmasters relegated him to the shelf (Ding Dong the witch is dead...).
That's not to say it would be impossible to fly BB8 Poe very effectively, with that amount of manueverability and a high enough PS its concievable that he could make up for his lack of regen by avoiding being shot. I'm no where near good enough to do that so its regen all the way for me.
The Poe that was on both sides of the World's 2015 final match was:
Poe Dameron + R2‑D2(/R5-P9) + Veteran Instincts + Autothrusters
So I would say that regen was pretty key to Poe before Jumpmasters relegated him to the shelf (Ding Dong the witch is dead...).
That's not to say it would be impossible to fly BB8 Poe very effectively, with that amount of manueverability and a high enough PS its concievable that he could make up for his lack of regen by avoiding being shot. I'm no where near good enough to do that so its regen all the way for me.
The thing I'm surprised at is how everyone still treats Autothrusters as a given for Poe's mod slot. In the age of Vectored Thrusters, I'm not sure AT are a given anymore.
The thing I'm surprised at is how everyone still treats Autothrusters as a given for Poe's mod slot. In the age of Vectored Thrusters, I'm not sure AT are a given anymore.
Like was previously said, the day VT can arc dodge a turret sign me up. For now, ill take my autothrusters. especially with TLT Y's being viable again.
No....no
No regen = way too easy to kill.
You can never be slippery enough to dodge turrets. Hell, even against nonturrers, yoyre just going to lose the dice war.
Poe or no, the t70 is a horrible platform to trade dice with and, unless youre an xwing god, you WILL bectrading dice
Just because you aren't any good with it doesn't mean it's bad.
We know Poe trades dice inherently well, because he did it for 6 months on only a focus token and only got pushed out by hyper accurate torp strikes.
Get outta here with this.
LOL Nikk, it is delicious how wrong you are. You are trying to be all high and mighty and authoritative while proving FGD's point and undercutting your own.
The Poe that you are referencing that was doing good (ie winning Worlds) DID HAVE REGEN AND ALSO AUTOTHRUSTERS. That's how it could trade dice. That's what Fickle is saying. A 40pt X-Wing with no regen and no defensive buff beyond IA is not a great investment in anything other than a casual game. This Poe hits only as hard as a TIE Defender, and the TIE Defender can more easily keep arc on the fight while also having far, far better defense. Oh, the TIE Defender is also cheaper. And backed by Palpatine insurance.
So yea, FGD is right. That Poe will be fun, but it won't be competitive. Investing 40% of your list into an average 3-die attack and mediocre defense and HP is not going to pay out very often. It'll be a lot of fun to boost and barrel roll all over the place though.
I think Nikk is just trying to fill a void we've had since PGS was removed from the forums.
It's unfortunate, but I guess someone has to do it.
Like was previously said, the day VT can arc dodge a turret sign me up. For now, ill take my autothrusters. especially with TLT Y's being viable again.The thing I'm surprised at is how everyone still treats Autothrusters as a given for Poe's mod slot. In the age of Vectored Thrusters, I'm not sure AT are a given anymore.
Autothrusters all the way.
Ships you need them against and that are still seem competitively:
Dash, TLT ships, Turret VCX except Autoblaster, VT-49 and Fat Han (occasionally), Dengaroo, Rey (soon). And all
the ones i forget...
But actually any ship. Since AT gives you the edge in any range 3 engagement. IA gives you 1 ignored hit/crit. AT has the potential of using your green dice much better and avoiding way more damage.
Vectored Thrusters are nice but on any ship that has boost, having Barrel roll is a nice addon, but not as essential as AT.
Edited by ForceM
No....no
No regen = way too easy to kill.
You can never be slippery enough to dodge turrets. Hell, even against nonturrers, yoyre just going to lose the dice war.
Poe or no, the t70 is a horrible platform to trade dice with and, unless youre an xwing god, you WILL bectrading dice
Just because you aren't any good with it doesn't mean it's bad.
We know Poe trades dice inherently well, because he did it for 6 months on only a focus token and only got pushed out by hyper accurate torp strikes.
Get outta here with this.
LOL Nikk, it is delicious how wrong you are. You are trying to be all high and mighty and authoritative while proving FGD's point and undercutting your own.
The Poe that you are referencing that was doing good (ie winning Worlds) DID HAVE REGEN AND ALSO AUTOTHRUSTERS. That's how it could trade dice. That's what Fickle is saying. A 40pt X-Wing with no regen and no defensive buff beyond IA is not a great investment in anything other than a casual game. This Poe hits only as hard as a TIE Defender, and the TIE Defender can more easily keep arc on the fight while also having far, far better defense. Oh, the TIE Defender is also cheaper. And backed by Palpatine insurance.
So yea, FGD is right. That Poe will be fun, but it won't be competitive. Investing 40% of your list into an average 3-die attack and mediocre defense and HP is not going to pay out very often. It'll be a lot of fun to boost and barrel roll all over the place though.
I think Nikk is just trying to fill a void we've had since PGS was removed from the forums.
It's unfortunate, but I guess someone has to do it.
I figured as much. Everything's he posted lately has felt very troll-ish
Query: when Poe loses his focus token due to Hot-Shot Copilot, Wes, or other token strippers, how's he supposed to regen w/R5-P9?
Is regen Poe the only Poe? I so no. Grab your buddy Biggs and fly Black One with BB-8 and pattern analyzer and you are golden. AT optional.
Edited by BlodVargarna
Huh, I'd really have thought that having the ability to shrug off two target locks per round, on top of the maneuverability provided by the actions which initiate them being shrugged off, would be seen as a pretty big deal. I'm pretty new, though, so what do I know! Still..seems like a ton of fun to fly.
One of the issues is that you run into the Carnor Effect - Carnor Jax prevents enemies from taking or spending focus tokens... so they take Evade or TLs instead.
Good news: Carnor Jax also stops your opponent from taking or spending Evade tokens.
Like was previously said, the day VT can arc dodge a turret sign me up. For now, ill take my autothrusters. especially with TLT Y's being viable again.The thing I'm surprised at is how everyone still treats Autothrusters as a given for Poe's mod slot. In the age of Vectored Thrusters, I'm not sure AT are a given anymore.
So is just a meta thing. Depends how many turrets we will see.
But a PTL Boost Barrel R2 Poe is interesting. Guess you can fit your lacks in the other 60 points.
No....no
No regen = way too easy to kill.
You can never be slippery enough to dodge turrets. Hell, even against nonturrers, yoyre just going to lose the dice war.
Poe or no, the t70 is a horrible platform to trade dice with and, unless youre an xwing god, you WILL bectrading dice
Just because you aren't any good with it doesn't mean it's bad.
We know Poe trades dice inherently well, because he did it for 6 months on only a focus token and only got pushed out by hyper accurate torp strikes.
Get outta here with this.
"Only a focus token"?
What about that droid in the back that gives him permanent evade tokens (you know, shields) every turn?
yeap i tried it out an like it
I quite like that there may be more than one "good" configuration of Poe. Depending on how you want to run him, it looks like he can go from about 35 points for "classic Poe" to almost 45 points for the all-singing, all-dancing "Super Poe". Personally I think PTL + PA + R5-P9+ AT is going to be my starting point of choice.
No....no
No regen = way too easy to kill.
You can never be slippery enough to dodge turrets. Hell, even against nonturrers, yoyre just going to lose the dice war.
Poe or no, the t70 is a horrible platform to trade dice with and, unless youre an xwing god, you WILL bectrading dice
Just because you aren't any good with it doesn't mean it's bad.
We know Poe trades dice inherently well, because he did it for 6 months on only a focus token and only got pushed out by hyper accurate torp strikes.
Get outta here with this.
"Only a focus token"?
What about that droid in the back that gives him permanent evade tokens (you know, shields) every turn?