I've been running him with PS9, BB-8 w/ IA, PTL, Sensor Cluster, and Black One for 41 points. Pretty fun. Black One boosts personal and squad defense considerably, and with SC he's not a very attractive target compared to his squadmates.

I fly in loose formation with Jess and a Predator Snap. No target locks on my ships and stress-free full mods versus theirs. It's effective, if not "competitive".

Query: when Poe loses his focus token due to Hot-Shot Copilot, Wes, or other token strippers, how's he supposed to regen w/R5-P9?

Is regen Poe the only Poe? I so no. Grab your buddy Biggs and fly Black One with BB-8 and pattern analyzer and you are golden. AT optional.

Speculation: That's why R2D2 is better on Poe than R5-P9. Of course he is the best platform R5-P9 but that doesn't mean its better

The thing I'm surprised at is how everyone still treats Autothrusters as a given for Poe's mod slot. In the age of Vectored Thrusters, I'm not sure AT are a given anymore.

Like was previously said, the day VT can arc dodge a turret sign me up. For now, ill take my autothrusters. especially with TLT Y's being viable again.

So is just a meta thing. Depends how many turrets we will see.

But a PTL Boost Barrel R2 Poe is interesting. Guess you can fit your lacks in the other 60 points.

I don't know if it is just a meta thing, R3 combat is universal and this gives you the edge when trading dice at that range with pretty much anything. Barrel roll is nice, but it already has boost for Arc dodging. I can see VT on a lot of things, Z-95 and T-65 for example. Auto thrusters are just way too good for the same points cost on a ship that already has a Repo.

Query: when Poe loses his focus token due to Hot-Shot Copilot, Wes, or other token strippers, how's he supposed to regen w/R5-P9?

Is regen Poe the only Poe? I so no. Grab your buddy Biggs and fly Black One with BB-8 and pattern analyzer and you are golden. AT optional.

Speculation: That's why R2D2 is better on Poe than R5-P9. Of course he is the best platform R5-P9 but that doesn't mean its better

The thing I'm surprised at is how everyone still treats Autothrusters as a given for Poe's mod slot. In the age of Vectored Thrusters, I'm not sure AT are a given anymore.

Like was previously said, the day VT can arc dodge a turret sign me up. For now, ill take my autothrusters. especially with TLT Y's being viable again.

So is just a meta thing. Depends how many turrets we will see.

But a PTL Boost Barrel R2 Poe is interesting. Guess you can fit your lacks in the other 60 points.

I don't know if it is just a meta thing, R3 combat is universal and this gives you the edge when trading dice at that range with pretty much anything. Barrel roll is nice, but it already has boost for Arc dodging. I can see VT on a lot of things, Z-95 and T-65 for example. Auto thrusters are just way too good for the same points cost on a ship that already has a Repo.

If you are carring a cannon, maybe yes. But for a T70 I don't know how much time you need to stay into R3. I mean, PS9, PTL, boost+roll? I think about AT on it when I have to facing a lot of turrets/PWT.

Which is this the time, actually, so is fine to fit it in.

Query: when Poe loses his focus token due to Hot-Shot Copilot, Wes, or other token strippers, how's he supposed to regen w/R5-P9?

Is regen Poe the only Poe? I so no. Grab your buddy Biggs and fly Black One with BB-8 and pattern analyzer and you are golden. AT optional.

Speculation: That's why R2D2 is better on Poe than R5-P9. Of course he is the best platform R5-P9 but that doesn't mean its better

The thing I'm surprised at is how everyone still treats Autothrusters as a given for Poe's mod slot. In the age of Vectored Thrusters, I'm not sure AT are a given anymore.

Like was previously said, the day VT can arc dodge a turret sign me up. For now, ill take my autothrusters. especially with TLT Y's being viable again.

So is just a meta thing. Depends how many turrets we will see.

But a PTL Boost Barrel R2 Poe is interesting. Guess you can fit your lacks in the other 60 points.

I don't know if it is just a meta thing, R3 combat is universal and this gives you the edge when trading dice at that range with pretty much anything. Barrel roll is nice, but it already has boost for Arc dodging. I can see VT on a lot of things, Z-95 and T-65 for example. Auto thrusters are just way too good for the same points cost on a ship that already has a Repo.

If you are carring a cannon, maybe yes. But for a T70 I don't know how much time you need to stay into R3. I mean, PS9, PTL, boost+roll? I think about AT on it when I have to facing a lot of turrets/PWT.

Which is this the time, actually, so is fine to fit it in.

I just can't see taking VT on a T-70 over autothrusters especially on a ship in the 40 points range. They just need every dice mod they can get. You are going to have 2-3 ships coming after you most likely. You can't barrel roll out of that many arcs. Even in a meta with no turrets (where is this place btw? would love to come play there) simply because R3 engagements still occur, and as its the largest range band it has the most chance to happen. But, if it is what is fun for you? Do it up man!

But seriously, where is this land of no turrets?

Query: when Poe loses his focus token due to Hot-Shot Copilot, Wes, or other token strippers, how's he supposed to regen w/R5-P9?

Is regen Poe the only Poe? I so no. Grab your buddy Biggs and fly Black One with BB-8 and pattern analyzer and you are golden. AT optional.

Speculation: That's why R2D2 is better on Poe than R5-P9. Of course he is the best platform R5-P9 but that doesn't mean its better

The thing I'm surprised at is how everyone still treats Autothrusters as a given for Poe's mod slot. In the age of Vectored Thrusters, I'm not sure AT are a given anymore.

Like was previously said, the day VT can arc dodge a turret sign me up. For now, ill take my autothrusters. especially with TLT Y's being viable again.

So is just a meta thing. Depends how many turrets we will see.

But a PTL Boost Barrel R2 Poe is interesting. Guess you can fit your lacks in the other 60 points.

I don't know if it is just a meta thing, R3 combat is universal and this gives you the edge when trading dice at that range with pretty much anything. Barrel roll is nice, but it already has boost for Arc dodging. I can see VT on a lot of things, Z-95 and T-65 for example. Auto thrusters are just way too good for the same points cost on a ship that already has a Repo.

If you are carring a cannon, maybe yes. But for a T70 I don't know how much time you need to stay into R3. I mean, PS9, PTL, boost+roll? I think about AT on it when I have to facing a lot of turrets/PWT.

Which is this the time, actually, so is fine to fit it in.

I just can't see taking VT on a T-70 over autothrusters especially on a ship in the 40 points range. They just need every dice mod they can get. You are going to have 2-3 ships coming after you most likely. You can't barrel roll out of that many arcs. Even in a meta with no turrets (where is this place btw? would love to come play there) simply because R3 engagements still occur, and as its the largest range band it has the most chance to happen. But, if it is what is fun for you? Do it up man!

But seriously, where is this land of no turrets?

Heh, is pretty uncommon.

Anyway, there's some stuff that can help him. We still thinking about 40 points all round ship, but we forget that the game is 100v100 points. New Rey crew can help him to get his focus, for example.

And most of it: we must remember that Paul Heaver runs him at PS10. So maybe that build works for him, thanks to his PS10. And no one here is considering this, even we are missing that new Rey actually loves PS10.

Don't even know if PTL is the way to go.

Or again, what about LoneWolf? There's so many ways to play him, I don't know if it will be just 1 whortly build.

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Heh, is pretty uncommon.

Anyway, there's some stuff that can help him. We still thinking about 40 points all round ship, but we forget that the game is 100v100 points. New Rey crew can help him to get his focus, for example.

And most of it: we must remember that Paul Heaver runs him at PS10. So maybe that build works for him, thanks to his PS10. And no one here is considering this, even we are missing that new Rey actually loves PS10.

Don't even know if PTL is the way to go.

Or again, what about LoneWolf? There's so many ways to play him, I don't know if it will be just 1 whortly build.

Oh I agree that he is very flexible and there is no wrong way to play this game, all I am saying is that I just can't see VT over AT on any build for competitive play. They are the same cost and they just do more. Like I said, VT has a place, its just not the T-70.

No....no

No regen = way too easy to kill.

You can never be slippery enough to dodge turrets. Hell, even against nonturrers, yoyre just going to lose the dice war.

Poe or no, the t70 is a horrible platform to trade dice with and, unless youre an xwing god, you WILL bectrading dice

Just because you aren't any good with it doesn't mean it's bad.

We know Poe trades dice inherently well, because he did it for 6 months on only a focus token and only got pushed out by hyper accurate torp strikes.

Get outta here with this.

"Only a focus token"?

What about that droid in the back that gives him permanent evade tokens (you know, shields) every turn?

What about Wes Jansen or HSCP or a PS 1 blocker denying you your focus and rendering that droid useless?

If we are talking no regen, arent we talking bb8? I am the most average player you 'll find but I dont think I could bump into a ship even if I wanted to with bb8. But i guess you are referring to that focus token in the context of R5-P9.

Yeah talking about R5-P9.

I've been noodling around with various super Poe builds. He doesn't play well with 3 ship lists. I think he's always going to be a buddy with a YT or maybe a U wing in the future.

Yeah talking about R5-P9.

I've been noodling around with various super Poe builds. He doesn't play well with 3 ship lists. I think he's always going to be a buddy with a YT or maybe a U wing in the future.

I've been noodling around with various super Poe builds. He doesn't play well with 3 ship lists. I think he's always going to be a buddy with a YT or maybe a U wing in the future.

My standard 3-ship Regen build is Poe with R5-P9 and Red Ace with R2-D2. That usually leaves me with enough points for a decent support ship. In the past I have usually run Kyle Katarn with Jan Ors crew to feed them extra Focus and Evade tokens and it works pretty well.

I think going forward Ahsoka and a U-Wing will both be better options for the support ship than the HWK and probably work out a few points cheaper too (depending on the exact upgrades). Kyle (pilot) or Jyn Erso crew provide a get-around for being bumped or token-stripped.

Query: when Poe loses his focus token due to Hot-Shot Copilot, Wes, or other token strippers, how's he supposed to regen w/R5-P9?

Is regen Poe the only Poe? I so no. Grab your buddy Biggs and fly Black One with BB-8 and pattern analyzer and you are golden. AT optional.

There are counters to every build. For example Rebel Captive is a very good counter to PTL aces. And we occasionally see it used to do so. But did we ever see an overabundance of Rebel captives? Nope.

The same thing will happen to Hotshot Copilot. Its an excellent card and it will be good against way more builds than Poe. But it will not stop R5-P9 Poe from being used, because it will still be pretty rare that you will actually encounter it, unless P9 Poe or any other focus-based combo becomes the new meta overlord.

There are many cases where you just need R2-D2 on another ship, and regeneration is still the strongest build on Poe unless he gets alpha-striked really hard.

The same thing will happen to Hotshot Copilot. Its an excellent card and it will be good against way more builds than Poe. But it will not stop R5-P9 Poe from being used, because it will still be pretty rare that you will actually encounter it, unless P9 Poe or any other focus-based combo becomes the new meta overlord.

I think this is the key point. The Meta is more diverse than it has ever been before (especially now that triple U-Boats have been nerfed). HoCo is merely one threat to take into account and will probably be about as common as Wes, Carnor and Palob. It has taken several waves but it looks like X-wing is finally starting to move away from Rock-Paper-Scissors to a form where many builds are viable because the risk of running into your direct hard-counter is relatively low.

Maybe I am in a glass half-full mood but R5-P9 still looks very good on Poe, even with HoCos floating about.

And if I am wrong there is always R2-D2.