PS9 Poe (33)

Push the Limit (3)

BB-8 (2)

Primed Thrusters (1)

Black One Title (1)

Integrated Astromech (0)

Total: 40

The synergy in here makes him ridiculously maneuverable and slippery. I'd suggest the PS9 version of him will be just as useful for the title as it would be for combat, as that would help shrug off target locks from fellow aces.

I agree. This is what I will be running

No....no

No regen = way too easy to kill.

You can never be slippery enough to dodge turrets. Hell, even against nonturrers, yoyre just going to lose the dice war.

Poe or no, the t70 is a horrible platform to trade dice with and, unless youre an xwing god, you WILL bectrading dice

That's how I've been using him since the title was spoiled. Sure, you lack the R5-P9 regen, but it's so much fun to fly!

I think that Poe will be solid but he's 40 points for those three attack dice and no regen.

New "standard" poe is going to be a tossup between wave 7 poe and either PTL PA and r5p9 or predator primed and r2d2. Also title if you got room

Which you fly depends completely now how much stress is in your meta

No....no

No regen = way too easy to kill.

You can never be slippery enough to dodge turrets. Hell, even against nonturrers, yoyre just going to lose the dice war.

Poe or no, the t70 is a horrible platform to trade dice with and, unless youre an xwing god, you WILL bectrading dice

I think that Poe will be solid but he's 40 points for those three attack dice and no regen.

So does that mean a BB-8 Poe can't be competitive?

No....no

No regen = way too easy to kill.

You can never be slippery enough to dodge turrets. Hell, even against nonturrers, yoyre just going to lose the dice war.

Poe or no, the t70 is a horrible platform to trade dice with and, unless youre an xwing god, you WILL bectrading dice

Just because you aren't any good with it doesn't mean it's bad.

We know Poe trades dice inherently well, because he did it for 6 months on only a focus token and only got pushed out by hyper accurate torp strikes.

Get outta here with this.

Bb8 poe is fun as hell but not competitive

Competitive stuff has to generate successful results across multiple games, which means dealing with bull dice no matter how many conventional mods youre packing

This is why regen is legit. It always works (well r5p9 doesnt if you **** up actions, so mostly r2d2 always works)

See also: palp aces/defenders, stresshog hell even fat han etc

No....no

No regen = way too easy to kill.

You can never be slippery enough to dodge turrets. Hell, even against nonturrers, yoyre just going to lose the dice war.

Poe or no, the t70 is a horrible platform to trade dice with and, unless youre an xwing god, you WILL bectrading dice

Just because you aren't any good with it doesn't mean it's bad.

We know Poe trades dice inherently well, because he did it for 6 months on only a focus token and only got pushed out by hyper accurate torp strikes.

Get outta here with this.

Wasn't that regen Poe which did well though? Which would back up what he is saying. BB-8 Poe seems like more fun for sure, but the ability to recover shields seems difficult to replace.

Pattern analyser, PTL and R2D2

Bb8 poe is fun as hell but not competitive

Competitive stuff has to generate successful results across multiple games, which means dealing with bull dice no matter how many conventional mods youre packing

This is why regen is legit. It always works (well r5p9 doesnt if you **** up actions, so mostly r2d2 always works)

See also: palp aces/defenders, stresshog hell even fat han etc

... Poe has innate mods. That's the definition of "successful results across multiple games"

You're telling me right now, adding 2 more actions (consistency) to that pile makes it worse?

No....no

No regen = way too easy to kill.

You can never be slippery enough to dodge turrets. Hell, even against nonturrers, yoyre just going to lose the dice war.

Poe or no, the t70 is a horrible platform to trade dice with and, unless youre an xwing god, you WILL bectrading dice

I think that Poe will be solid but he's 40 points for those three attack dice and no regen.

So does that mean a BB-8 Poe can't be competitive?

Define "competitive." If your definition is "viable for a local tournament," then your answer is yes. Most ships can be viable at this level if flown well.

Is this build likely to take a regional or worlds anytime soon? Probably not. If this is your definition of "competitive," then regen Poe is where it's at.

Poe only did as good as his focus results allowed. Adding less variance to that with more mods is guaranteed to be better.

Regen is the least variance you could possibly get

It actively whiteouts bad dice if you can peel off

I think the new standard PS9 Poe will be:

Poe (PS9) w/ PTL, R5P9, Pattern Analyser, AT - 43 pts

It is quite good but at 43+ pts it is somewhat awkward to build a squad around, since you have to cut points from all of the fat ships.

The best list I've come up with is a variant on FGD's biggs/arc list using that Poe, Biggs and Thane.

But Poe (PS8) w/ VI, R5P9, AT, pattern analyser (or R2D2 + sensor cluster)is still quite good and at 39/40 pts it slots into squads far easier. I am currently running this Poe with Rey.

I consider the title to be optional if you can find the points.

Huh, I'd really have thought that having the ability to shrug off two target locks per round, on top of the maneuverability provided by the actions which initiate them being shrugged off, would be seen as a pretty big deal. I'm pretty new, though, so what do I know! Still..seems like a ton of fun to fly.

I really dont like the ps 9 poe

I agree with ffg overpricing him rather than invalidating poor core set poe, but i wish they just made another pilot or ability

Anyway, i see ps 9 poe as THE LAST option you have for spending 2 points (ie just above taking a bid)

Also havnt seen soonts in a dog"s age, so that makes him even less attractive

Playing with norra all this time has led me to care far less about ps too. Then again, thats a sexy ARC so YMMV

As someone who has flown PS 8 Poe with PTL/BB-8/AT successfully (even won a tournament with it), I think the OP's Poe build looks like it has potential. I hadn't thought of primed thrusters and BB-8 together, so that's nice to be able to barrel roll before dropping stress, because it'll happen sooner or later. I would encourage trying to get Autothrusters on him, but that does make him more expensive. Also interested to see if the extra PS is worth two points.

Huh, I'd really have thought that having the ability to shrug off two target locks per round, on top of the maneuverability provided by the actions which initiate them being shrugged off, would be seen as a pretty big deal. I'm pretty new, though, so what do I know! Still..seems like a ton of fun to fly.

One of the issues is that you run into the Carnor Effect - Carnor Jax prevents enemies from taking or spending focus tokens... so they take Evade or TLs instead. Likewise, with Black One on the field, you'll find a lot of ships stop bothering with TLs, which reduces the advantage.

Oh, it still matters - often a Target Lock was taken because it was a way to bank a dice mod for later when both ships were out of arc, or you're shutting down targeting for ordinance, or maybe you're simply disabling someone's Fire Control Systems every time it triggers - these can all matter (and in the case of ordinance, matter a whole lot). But against the vast majority of 'enemy ship is shooting at me' scenarios, people will cheerfully just use Focus instead.

Black One and Carnor Jax on the same side, now...

My last game I took Poe(8): R2D2, Black One, Vectored Thrusters, Push the Limit and Pattern Analyser.

It was pretty fun, but felt a bit restrictive with so few greens. So next time I'm trading R2D2 for a standard R2 unit.

I agree that this build looks like a blast to fly, and I think it looks fairly competitive as well.

Many of the comments above have PTL and pattern analyzer. These two cards seem like they work against each other. If you PTL after white or green, then pattern analyzer doesn't come into play and the next round you have to do a green to clear the stress so again pattern analyzer doesn't come into play. You would also be prevented from using some of the fantastic red options on the T-70 dial. If you then choose to not PTL so that the next round you can perform a red maneuver, then you can use pattern analyzer to use PTL after the red, but you end up with two stress which really just delays the effect of getting the stress making it impossible to take an action or PTL the next round.

Is there something I am missing?

I agree that this build looks like a blast to fly, and I think it looks fairly competitive as well.

Many of the comments above have PTL and pattern analyzer. These two cards seem like they work against each other. If you PTL after white or green, then pattern analyzer doesn't come into play and the next round you have to do a green to clear the stress so again pattern analyzer doesn't come into play. You would also be prevented from using some of the fantastic red options on the T-70 dial. If you then choose to not PTL so that the next round you can perform a red maneuver, then you can use pattern analyzer to use PTL after the red, but you end up with two stress which really just delays the effect of getting the stress making it impossible to take an action or PTL the next round.

Is there something I am missing?

Yea, the fact that you can PTL off of greens with Pattern Analyzer and immediately shed the stress.

Pattern Analyzer let's you do a green manuever then PTL then shed the stress. Also let's you action after a K turn or Troll. Yes if you're PTLing every turn it does limit your dial but if you're selective about it really boosts the T70s action economy.

I can see clearly now that my ignorance is gone, I can see all asteroids in my way. Thank you for the clarifications