Tie defender titles on the e wing...broken?

By churchwarden, in X-Wing

Theyre afraid of him because of doubletap and nothing more. Even in his absolutely horrible ship, if he can get in the right spot he can decimate a ship very quick.

That being said i too think hes a pile of crap. Only once ever been owned by him, and that was the first time seeing him. Hes not hard to remove from the board given his predictability and 2hull. Killing him with a single proton bomb is so awesome...

TIE Advanced title would probably be better (as long as Corran couldn't take it)

What would corran have to gain from that? You cant actually spend the TL so you are banking on not rolling blanks.

The odds of him landing more than 4 hits anyway at range 1 is laughably low without a reroll + focus. And again, hes still stupid easy to remove.

The moment they add something to ewings to make them viable without being tied to greens, corran will be a menace because they have a FULL dial to them, but only 5 greens and 3 are straight.

I think you should be extremely cautious when handing out evade tokens to ships with an evade action. When that ship can also regen you should REALLY be careful.

Going to have to forgive my ignorance here but. . why does everyone sweat Corran?

He is priced quite high and in the games I have played against him he either:

1. Died in the first exchange due to focus fire and great positioning from me/poor positioning from my opponent.

2. Only ever does a 2 speed bank and never turns round, meaning he dies to constant firepower.

Maybe I have a jaded view and never really came across that great Corran player but to me, he is a 5 HP ship that is tied to greens due to R2-D2 and PtL. If he has Adv. Sensors then he CERTAINLY is never doing anything beyond a green and if he is VI + FCS, then he is a 5HP ship that is protected by a single focus token (assuming he didn't boost or barrel roll and 3 fickle green dice.

I appreciate that he is clearly a problem, because a lot of people make reference to him but I haven't really experienced it. Could someone explain it to me?

Corran is this boogie man to people who had a bad game against him, similar to how people HATE Soontir Fel.

Every time a thread pops up about E-wings some people lose their minds because OMG Corran might get cheaper or better or something. His ship is GARBAGE and if Regen didn't exist no one would use him.

People also don't realize that believe it or not, Corran being so expensive is beneficial for tournament play because small ships don't give half point MOV.

And taking away slots like sensors and astromech are bad ideas for fixes, because that combo pretty much defines the E-wings. Why would you take an E-wings without sensors when the T-70 exists? Fixes like that would be the equivalent of having the x7 title make the 4k red, or chardaan refit removing boost. They're just bad ideas.

Horn is the wicked-good ship in the Rebel arsenal because the double-tap is amazing in all jousting or fly-by movements. He is one go-to for me and with 'Regen,' he's the jousting monster. The other E-wings -with the exception of Etahn A'baht (who's ability is kinda weird and backwards)- are obviously not used due to their high cost. However, with Horn in mind, I think an E-Wing upgrade like the Defender received would be foolish to the balance of the meta. The resulting E-wing bounce from 'some' E-Wings at the top to 'lots' at the top would dwarf the current number of Defender pilots taking the top tables; even factoring in the power of Poe at his crazy good level. If it happened, he'd be my Rebel lock, period.

Edited by clanofwolves

Going to have to forgive my ignorance here but. . why does everyone sweat Corran?

He is priced quite high and in the games I have played against him he either:

1. Died in the first exchange due to focus fire and great positioning from me/poor positioning from my opponent.

2. Only ever does a 2 speed bank and never turns round, meaning he dies to constant firepower.

Maybe I have a jaded view and never really came across that great Corran player but to me, he is a 5 HP ship that is tied to greens due to R2-D2 and PtL. If he has Adv. Sensors then he CERTAINLY is never doing anything beyond a green and if he is VI + FCS, then he is a 5HP ship that is protected by a single focus token (assuming he didn't boost or barrel roll and 3 fickle green dice.

I appreciate that he is clearly a problem, because a lot of people make reference to him but I haven't really experienced it. Could someone explain it to me?

There were 4 Corrans in top 16 last year at World's. Watch some of those matches.

That may be the case, but I haven't seen many in my local area, regional or national since then. Stress ruins him and with the game now including a lot of ways to apply stress, I can see Corran being more of a liability then a boon to the game.

I mean, Corran, with PtL, R2-D2, Engine upgrade and FCS is 48 points !! He can only do 2 banks, then use his barrel roll or boost because the tightest turn he is capable of is a 2 bank !

One block and he is history. One additional stress token and he dies the next turn (or does a 3 forward). If he is double stressed, there is a 50/50 chance he is about to be BMST off the table.

Last time I saw the above Corran list, he traded shots with a PS8 Rexlar Brath with Predator and X7 (38 points?) at range 3, neither did any damage of course but the next turn, Corran done a 2 bank and boost/focus and Brath K turned behind him and stayed there for two more turns until Corran went poof, why? Because the Corran player couldn't turn round due to being stressed constantly and needing to green move + focus/evade every turn to delay his own death.

Watching that may have jaded by view somewhat as I can't believe a ship that is 48 points just got chased for three turns and had nothing to show for it.

Corran to be, at that point cost, should be a beast and I believe in the right conditions he is but I haven't personally seen it. :(

(FYI - I fully expect to get embarrassingly tabled by a Corran player now. Ha Ha - Karma!)

Also, 4 corrans in top 16 doesnt mean much. Why? Because hes pretty much the only Dash partner that doesnt sac something or have wasted points on subpar upgrades just to fill out the numbers.

Dash is the threat, Corran is the distraction. If you dont kill Dash on the initial pass, you wont catch him again.

Ive never, ever seen him without his Dash buddy.

Edited by Vineheart01

I'm a big fan of Corran, he makes it into my lists often. The problem I've found is relying on his regen to keep him alive. With the abundance of fast moving large base ships you don't really have the option of running away and trying to regen for a turn or two. So I've found a new way to run him that still keeps him effective.

Corran Horn (35)
Push the Limit (3)
Fire-Control System (2)
R2 Astromech (1)
Engine Upgrade (4)
R2 opens up his dial enough to shred stress and keep him less predictable. The only time he runs away is after his double tap. One could also swap Advanced Sensors with FCS if the build needs it.
Pair it with a crew ship with KJ and you can really help him get around the board.

Oh... You must have missed the Wes, Corran Biggs list that won a few regionals... He isn't tied to Dash. Also, Dash flies just fine with Miranda, too.

Ewings already have an evade action. Double evades (we are still limited one evade per defense right?) not being super broken, just strong. Ewings could otherwise just take an evade action, making the benefit slightly less awesome.

Using a torpedo and primary weapon seems like something a dedicated bomber or torpedo carrier should get. Although if the primary gets to fire first, getting a target lock with the fcs upgrade is very nice, and if we make the torp attack happen at the start of the end phase and prevent other attacks that round it will not combo with corran.

i would rather utilize my action for either a barrelroll/boost or free up my EPT for something other than PTL than take a double evade, since yeah you cant use the evade in the same shot. It helps with multiple threats but odds are a boost or barrelroll will evade one threat anyway, unless you are flying oddly.

Going to have to forgive my ignorance here but. . why does everyone sweat Corran?

He is priced quite high and in the games I have played against him he either:

1. Died in the first exchange due to focus fire and great positioning from me/poor positioning from my opponent.

2. Only ever does a 2 speed bank and never turns round, meaning he dies to constant firepower.

Maybe I have a jaded view and never really came across that great Corran player but to me, he is a 5 HP ship that is tied to greens due to R2-D2 and PtL. If he has Adv. Sensors then he CERTAINLY is never doing anything beyond a green and if he is VI + FCS, then he is a 5HP ship that is protected by a single focus token (assuming he didn't boost or barrel roll and 3 fickle green dice.

I appreciate that he is clearly a problem, because a lot of people make reference to him but I haven't really experienced it. Could someone explain it to me?

There were 4 Corrans in top 16 last year at World's. Watch some of those matches.

That may be the case, but I haven't seen many in my local area, regional or national since then. Stress ruins him and with the game now including a lot of ways to apply stress, I can see Corran being more of a liability then a boon to the game.

I mean, Corran, with PtL, R2-D2, Engine upgrade and FCS is 48 points !! He can only do 2 banks, then use his barrel roll or boost because the tightest turn he is capable of is a 2 bank !

One block and he is history. One additional stress token and he dies the next turn (or does a 3 forward). If he is double stressed, there is a 50/50 chance he is about to be BMST off the table.

Last time I saw the above Corran list, he traded shots with a PS8 Rexlar Brath with Predator and X7 (38 points?) at range 3, neither did any damage of course but the next turn, Corran done a 2 bank and boost/focus and Brath K turned behind him and stayed there for two more turns until Corran went poof, why? Because the Corran player couldn't turn round due to being stressed constantly and needing to green move + focus/evade every turn to delay his own death.

Watching that may have jaded by view somewhat as I can't believe a ship that is 48 points just got chased for three turns and had nothing to show for it.

Corran to be, at that point cost, should be a beast and I believe in the right conditions he is but I haven't personally seen it. :(

(FYI - I fully expect to get embarrassingly tabled by a Corran player now. Ha Ha - Karma!)

;)

A lot of us don't play him outside of competitive games because it can be a negative play experience for the other player.

Also, 4 corrans in top 16 doesnt mean much. Why? Because hes pretty much the only Dash partner that doesnt sac something or have wasted points on subpar upgrades just to fill out the numbers.

Dash is the threat, Corran is the distraction. If you dont kill Dash on the initial pass, you wont catch him again.

Ive never, ever seen him without his Dash buddy.

Punch this into google and watch the slaughter:

x wing worlds 2015 nathan eide

Edited by TasteTheRainbow

I wouldn't mind an x7 type title for the e-wings, as long as it remove the astro slot. That way corran can get a free evade and still be tanky, but not run away and regen over and over like he does.

Yeah, key point here is that the title for the X7 sacrifices some upgrade slots and is still really good.

Upgrade slots that no one was using anyways.... did it really sacrifice anything? no not really.

The droid slot would be a huge sacrifice and probably make the title not very good at all.

If it is to involve the astromech slot, I wouldn't mind if it limited the ship to equip a droid that is 2 points or less. So no regen.

Going to have to forgive my ignorance here but. . why does everyone sweat Corran?

He is priced quite high and in the games I have played against him he either:

1. Died in the first exchange due to focus fire and great positioning from me/poor positioning from my opponent.

2. Only ever does a 2 speed bank and never turns round, meaning he dies to constant firepower.

Maybe I have a jaded view and never really came across that great Corran player but to me, he is a 5 HP ship that is tied to greens due to R2-D2 and PtL. If he has Adv. Sensors then he CERTAINLY is never doing anything beyond a green and if he is VI + FCS, then he is a 5HP ship that is protected by a single focus token (assuming he didn't boost or barrel roll and 3 fickle green dice.

I appreciate that he is clearly a problem, because a lot of people make reference to him but I haven't really experienced it. Could someone explain it to me?

Corran + 3 Green Squadron will make opponent sweat. A-Wings will make sure oponents bump. Corran just attack twice.

Ewing title

-1 points

Must equip an astromech of 3 points or less.

When you have a evade token you may add an evade result to your dice roll.

Combine this with a 1point droid that lets you spend evade tokens to add a hit result when attacking.

No thoughts on this Ewing title?