Tie defender titles on the e wing...broken?

By churchwarden, in X-Wing

Would the same titles that the tie defender got break the e wing? I imagine that double tap thing with torpedoes would be quite a good time. Also, free evades combined with fcs for a pretty solid 3 actions a round.... Sick.

Thoughts?

TieD is broken as it does nothing

The equivalent of the TIE/D for the E-Wing with torps would work once and would be limited to the lower end torps, so I doubt it would be that broken (or see much use).

The "x7" E-Wing might be a bit more unbalanced, but you have to remember that the Defender is giving up two slots for the x7. E-Wings would have to give up their torps and one other slot.

Without a white k turn x7 is pretty meh.

It'd be broken on corran he'd be cheaper with better action economy and and have freedom with the astromech slot.

Without a white k turn x7 is just fine.

Fixed :) You're welcome.

It'd be broken on corran he'd be cheaper with better action economy and and have freedom with the astromech slot.

It'd be strong on Corran, but without a white K-turn, forcing him to use 3-speed turns would be interesting (note that it prevents the PtL-R2 combo if you want that evade).

Edited by Giledhil

I wouldn't mind an x7 type title for the e-wings, as long as it remove the astro slot. That way corran can get a free evade and still be tanky, but not run away and regen over and over like he does.

I wouldn't mind an x7 type title for the e-wings, as long as it remove the astro slot. That way corran can get a free evade and still be tanky, but not run away and regen over and over like he does.

Yeah, key point here is that the title for the X7 sacrifices some upgrade slots and is still really good.

Corran is so attached to his 2 green banks and turns he wouldn't get too much use out of the x7 title's special ability.

I'd take Snap's ability as a -2 title though!

The D title could work if it were with a torpedo 2 points or less, but they would need to introduce another torpedo for 1/2 points. Maybe one that acts like tracers or a torpedo that scrambles the defenders sensors (reduces defense or attack by 1,just like the tractor beam). The big difference here is it is a one time thing, unlike the defender. there will need to be something that makes it worth taking, possibly granting extra munitions as a free upgrade or guidance chips as a free 2nd mod.

The X title would have to remove the system slot. It might need to be a free evade action to avoid evade stacking, but then it won't work when k-turning. This would make it something Corran could use, but it would potentially hurt his offensive output with FCS/AS.

All of these Corran threads are making me hope missing sku 58 is Legends of the Rebellion - lots of new titles (B-Wing Prototype, Rogue One, etc.), a new E-Wing model, and more Scum/Rebel cross-overs...

I want Rebel swarms.

B-Wing Prototype

-2 points

Title. B-Wing only

Your upgrade bar loses [torpedo] [torpedo]. You may equip a [system] upgrade for -2 squad points.

Edited by Rinzler in a Tie

Without a white k turn x7 is just fine.

Fixed :) You're welcome.
Edited by FourDogsInaHorseSuit

Without a white k turn x7 is just fine.

Fixed :) You're welcome.
Hey, Barry Allen, sometimes the answer isn't just to go fast all the time.

I know, and I think that the x7 would be better balanced if the ship had sometimes to let go of the evade to make some especially interesting move. That hardly happens with the white K turn.

(anyway, my post was meant to be taken lightly, I hope it didn't upset you)

All of these Corran threads are making me hope missing sku 58 is Legends of the Rebellion - lots of new titles (B-Wing Prototype, Rogue One, etc.), a new E-Wing model, and more Scum/Rebel cross-overs...

I want Rebel swarms.

B-Wing Prototype

-2 points

Title. B-Wing only

Your upgrade bar loses [torpedo] [torpedo]. You may equip a [system] upgrade for -2 squad points.

Yep, that's never going to happen.

Corran is a great pilot, but I'm not sure he's currently OP. In fact, I'm not sure that a 1 point buff would make him OP.

The trick is to give Knave and Blackmoon a 4 point bump in a way that doesn't give Corran more than 1 point of buffing. In fact: I'd say that if you buff Corran 1 point and the rest 4 points, Corran will _still_ be the only E-Wing that sees play.

I think a good title might be free PTL functionality- for E-wings that lack an EPT slot. Alternatively: the ability to move their action phase to PS7. It's great for basically everyone _but_ Corran, but he might see some situational use from it.

I don't really like any fix that causes the E-Wing to lose slots. The collection of possible upgrade slots makes the ship really cool, and creates some unique opportunities for synergies. I don't want to give that up.

Rebels can't have nice things (with Astromech slot) because of design flaw dating back to the very first X-Wing set.

Should R2-D2 be replaced with the game text of Chewbacca crew, we'd all be good, and it'd make much more sense lore-wise.

Remember that scene from the movie, where R2 has repaired the wonky stabilizer and then soaked a hit, getting blown up in the proces?

Yeah, no magical endless shields regen in there.

Edited by Mef82

Rebels can't have nice things (with Astromech slot) because of design flaw dating back to the very first X-Wing set.

Should R2-D2 be replaced with the game text of Chewbacca crew, we'd all be good, and it'd make much more sense lore-wise.

Remember that scene from the movie, where R2 has repaired the wonky stabilizer and then soaked a hit, getting blown up in the proces?

Yeah, no magical endless shields regen in there.

Make R2 proc on white maneuvers. Much less useful as it can't shed stress (except on Kanan ARC-170s) and Corran takes another hit.

Ewing title

-1 points

Must equip an astromech of 3 points or less.

When you have a evade token you may add an evade result to your dice roll.

Combine this with a 1point droid that lets you spend evade tokens to add a hit result when attacking.

Edited by killerbeardhawk

Make R2 proc on white maneuvers. Much less useful as it can't shed stress (except on Kanan ARC-170s) and Corran takes another hit.

Let's see.. Wedge + Predator + IA + R2D2.

Gold Squadron pilot + TLT + R2D2.

Red Ace + R2D2 + Autothrusters.

R2D2 procing on white maneuvers would close off one specific power combo, but would open up several more.

And, once again, Corran is not actually over powered. He's half your list, and he's hideously vulnerable to being focused down. Being tied to greens to get his regen makes him kinda slow, and fairly predictable.

All of these Corran threads are making me hope missing sku 58 is Legends of the Rebellion - lots of new titles (B-Wing Prototype, Rogue One, etc.), a new E-Wing model, and more Scum/Rebel cross-overs...

I want Rebel swarms.

B-Wing Prototype

-2 points

Title. B-Wing only

Your upgrade bar loses [torpedo] [torpedo]. You may equip a [system] upgrade for -2 squad points.

E-Wings needa more generic pilots with elit slot. Same with B-Wing, Y-Wing and T-65.

E-Wings needa more generic pilots with elit slot. Same with B-Wing, Y-Wing and T-65.

Exact swap? With only corresponding upgrades lost/restricted?

No, in fact it'd be quite bad.

x7 loses two upgrades, missiles and cannon. Ewing would lose torps but the only other slot it can give up is either the Mech or the Sensor, both of which are WAY too valuable to lose. Even at -4pts if it lost its sensor you might not see it, both because loss of FCS is painful and remember this thing has slow greens, and it has to move fast to get the evade. Ewing has a SINGLE green that is 3+ speed, and its a straight. Stressing them would be just as painful as a defender, since a defender can still go straight very fast but an Ewing almost has to chug it to get rid of that stress. Also Mk2 engines for defenders.

xD would only apply to the torpedo. Since its a one shot only, i imagine the cost restriction would go away as the title does zilch once you fire the torp. Only way this would be brutal is with Adv Proton Torps. Seeing as how he already has FCS, its not that unusual to think you can get this. The 4die range 1 shot would be unfocused since you definitely want that on the APT shot, but 4die + reroll isnt bad. Bigger issue is getting range1 in arc, since nobody is going to even risk range2 on that thing just in case it somehow got range1. Thats also 6pts for a 1shot only attack you might not get at all if your opponent flies right, on an expensive/squishy ship.

I do think it needs a title akin to x7 where its a price reduction and offers some sort of maneuverability reward. Perhaps the inverse? Do a 1-2 speed, get a focus, -2pts lose the torpedo. Doesnt lose sensor/mech because 1-2 speed restriction prevents it from getting its focus while fleeing or k-turning, something the defender abuses, so losing one of those slots would kill the title.

Going to have to forgive my ignorance here but. . why does everyone sweat Corran?

He is priced quite high and in the games I have played against him he either:

1. Died in the first exchange due to focus fire and great positioning from me/poor positioning from my opponent.

2. Only ever does a 2 speed bank and never turns round, meaning he dies to constant firepower.

Maybe I have a jaded view and never really came across that great Corran player but to me, he is a 5 HP ship that is tied to greens due to R2-D2 and PtL. If he has Adv. Sensors then he CERTAINLY is never doing anything beyond a green and if he is VI + FCS, then he is a 5HP ship that is protected by a single focus token (assuming he didn't boost or barrel roll and 3 fickle green dice.

I appreciate that he is clearly a problem, because a lot of people make reference to him but I haven't really experienced it. Could someone explain it to me?