The card specifies that you must spend a token at some point during the attack or defense...

The problem I have with it is that the text isn't actually that specific. This wouldn't be the first card that had specific timing intended but was not more specific than "When attacking" when it was released.

I agree that is probably not a cost but I'd like to clarify that point before asking questions about whether or not it is okay to make yourself unable to spend a focus token during your attack.

Well, note that with the new timing chart a ship doesn't actually become a defender until all applicable costs have been paid. Thus, HSCP can't trigger at 1.iv because the ship HSCP is on hasn't become the defender yet and so HSCP wouldn't be in play. And the step immediately following 1.v (target becomes defender) is 2, which has two sub steps, neither of which make any provision for spending tokens. Which takes us to step 3, where we modify our dice with tokens and etc..

It does seem as though, since no window is specified, Kanan could spend the single required focus at step two to decrease the attack pool, presuming range 1-2.

Absolutely right, HSCP is just an annoying way of saying here let me make that choice for you

This IS the focus you're looking for /waves hand

You do want to spend that focus for no benefit /waves hand

Wonder how long it will be before someone on a YV picks 4Lom and HSCP and demands you spend the focus right after saying no, you can't spend that focus.

It's an amusing visual to me at the very least.

It's not going to strip off a token prior to the modify step like Palob Gobshite does.

The card specifies that you must spend a token at some point during the attack or defense...

The problem I have with it is that the text isn't actually that specific. This wouldn't be the first card that had specific timing intended but was not more specific than "When attacking" when it was released.

The text doesn't have to specify timing because it follows standard timing rules and simply means that at modifying stage you must spend a focus if you have one.

In some cases you were going to spend it anyway and it benefits you, in other cases not so much.

It's going to mess with Poe who likes to keep his eyeball so he can flip eyeballs for free and spend it to get a shield back at the end of round,

Omega leader you will have a slightly easier time hitting him because if he attacks you and lands some hits you made him spend the focus even if he landed all hits which makes it SLIGHTLY easier to get damage through his ability.

Kanan Ghost with RecSpec is interesting though, makes me wonder if you make him spend the second focus on defence even though you don't roll a dice.

Low PS Blaster turrets will be ruined by it, that will shake the meta up.

You can choose to spend a focus to convert zero eyeball results on dice. Forcing you to do this can be big, especially if you roll zero eyeballs and have to spend it, essentially wasting the focus.

On what is up to them, but they MUST spend it if they had a chance to (meaning Snapshot wouldnt allow them to spend a focus, but AC would because AC still has a window where you can focus and Snap doesnt)

I really disagree with this point. That's not what the card says at all. The card simply requires the attacker to spend a focus if able with no restrictions on making yourself unable to spend a focus.

Using existing rules knowledge and how other cards work we can somewhat safely infer that the focus should be spent during the modify dice step. This is inferred from other cards which specify "when attacking" or "when defending" and no other restriction applying during that step. We also can assume there's no restriction on what one spends that focus for since the card does not specify any requirements so it appears you should be able to spend it for calculation or other similar effects and satisfy the card. Likewise we can assume the card does not apply requirements to when you (attempt to) spend the focus since the card does not specify. Nothing indicates you must spend the focus prior to spending any other modification thus nothing stops you from using emperor Palpatine, predator, lone wolf, target locks, norra, or accuracy corrector.

Kanan Ghost with RecSpec is interesting though, makes me wonder if you make him spend the second focus on defence even though you don't roll a dice.

You can modify 0 results. A ship that rolls zero dice can spend a focus or a target lock to modify.

Yes, Copilot vs a 0agi ship would literally burn the focus on defense and nothing else since nothing has a way to manipulate the dice in that timing window via focus, and you dont skip the step if you have 0 dice so the window IS there.

Kanan's ability wouldnt count since that happens the moment a ship declares an attack, it doesnt have to be him thats being attacked. Hes not a defender yet, so he didnt satisfy the copilot card yet. Though if you dump your only focus on his ability not like it matters anyway rofl

Yes, Copilot vs a 0agi ship would literally burn the focus on defense and nothing else since nothing has a way to manipulate the dice in that timing window via focus, and you dont skip the step if you have 0 dice so the window IS there.

Kanan's ability wouldnt count since that happens the moment a ship declares an attack, it doesnt have to be him thats being attacked. Hes not a defender yet, so he didnt satisfy the copilot card yet. Though if you dump your only focus on his ability not like it matters anyway rofl

You're off about Kanan's timing. Kanan's ability happens after there is a defender. Per the timing chart it happens at 2.ii. which is during the "Roll Attack Dice" step.

Interestingly enough, if you follow the flowchart literally then at no time do you actually roll any dice.

Kanan's ability wouldnt count since that happens the moment a ship declares an attack, it doesnt have to be him thats being attacked. Hes not a defender yet, so he didnt satisfy the copilot card yet. Though if you dump your only focus on his ability not like it matters anyway rofl

This is actually not an entirely true statement. Unless it's a really poorly written card ship kannan adjusts dice in step 2 when determining how many attack dice are rolled. Whether or not that token being spent satisfies the copilot is unclear, but it's entirely possible his ability will very much satisfy the requirement.

Kanan's ability wouldnt count since that happens the moment a ship declares an attack, it doesnt have to be him thats being attacked. Hes not a defender yet, so he didnt satisfy the copilot card yet. Though if you dump your only focus on his ability not like it matters anyway rofl

This is actually not an entirely true statement. Unless it's a really poorly written card ship kannan adjusts dice in step 2 when determining how many attack dice are rolled. Whether or not that token being spent satisfies the copilot is unclear, but it's entirely possible his ability will very much satisfy the requirement.

Assuming that Copilot isn't a cost, Kanan's ability should meet its requirement as long as Kanan is the defender.

if kanans ability triggers after a defender is defined, then yes he would satisfy it because he spent a focus. Long as hes the defender that is.

The card specifies that you must spend a token at some point during the attack or defense...

The problem I have with it is that the text isn't actually that specific. This wouldn't be the first card that had specific timing intended but was not more specific than "When attacking" when it was released.

The RAW are clear. If the card was supposed to do something else we'll learn about it in a month or so when they patch it.

Hot shot copilot could be pretty brutal, this springs to mind.

Wes Janson — X-Wing 29

Flechette Torpedoes 2

R3-A2 2

Integrated Astromech 0

Hot Shot Copilot 4

Total: 37

Get target lock on ace (by various methods)

Point at ace.

Fire, strip 2 tokens from target, replace with 2 stress for 1 stress in return.

Dogpile naked ace with everything left

Even without stresspedoes to make it easier to pull off, that's still a very effective first hit.

Wes was always good for his ability. Not sure HSCP is worth 4 overall, but in this case I could see it earning back it's points.

Hot shot copliot is a crew....

Hot Shot + Sensor Jammer seems neat.

It does a bit but there's not that many ships that can use those combos.
G1-A

B-Wing

Ghost

Shuttle

Phantom

Am I missing anything?
You would want it to have a high enough PS that it can shoot and burn their focus before they shoot you back, that way SJ gives you it's monies worth.
What I wouldn't give for a crew slot on an Aggressor.

Palob Godalhi (20)

Trick Shot (0)

Twin Laser Turret (6)

Hotshot Co-pilot (4)

Total: 30

I actually think Hotshot Co-Pilot on Torkil Mux is kind of a cute trick, since he can lower an enemy to PS0 then shoot at it and strip the offensive focus token before the enemy can fire. Probably amounts to putting R2D2 on Biggs (too fragile to be worth the points), but it SOUNDS like fun. This tactic can help set-up more potent attacks from your other ships, which is probably the more valid bit of the combo.

Palob Godalhi (20)

Trick Shot (0)

Twin Laser Turret (6)

Hotshot Co-pilot (4)

Total: 30

I actually think Hotshot Co-Pilot on Torkil Mux is kind of a cute trick, since he can lower an enemy to PS0 then shoot at it and strip the offensive focus token before the enemy can fire. Probably amounts to putting R2D2 on Biggs (too fragile to be worth the points), but it SOUNDS like fun. This tactic can help set-up more potent attacks from your other ships, which is probably the more valid bit of the combo.

I missread the post and posted something that made no sense... maybe i caught it in time.

Go edit power

Other then the fact, no 1 agility ship is going to be taking a focus action against you in this situation?

I'm not really following your point, unless it's that Hotshot Co-Pilot, Palob and Carnor Jax are all useless because some ships have low agility and the ability to take target locks?

Palob Godalhi (20)

Trick Shot (0)

Twin Laser Turret (6)

Hotshot Co-pilot (4)

Total: 30

I actually think Hotshot Co-Pilot on Torkil Mux is kind of a cute trick, since he can lower an enemy to PS0 then shoot at it and strip the offensive focus token before the enemy can fire. Probably amounts to putting R2D2 on Biggs (too fragile to be worth the points), but it SOUNDS like fun. This tactic can help set-up more potent attacks from your other ships, which is probably the more valid bit of the combo.

With something like a TLT attack against an X7 Defender, the Defender might not spend any tokens if it rolled "evade, eyeball, blank" when the TLT has three hit results since it would need to spend two tokens to stop a single point of damage. If they are forced to modify the eyeball, they'll probably spend the evade as well so as not to waste the token.

Correct me if I am wrong, but I thought that you could spend a focus token even if you did not roll any eyeballs. Seems to me it make your focus evaporate regardless if it has any effect.

Correct me if I am wrong, but I thought that you could spend a focus token even if you did not roll any eyeballs. Seems to me it make your focus evaporate regardless if it has any effect.

You aren't wrong. You can spend it even if you don't roll dice.

Hot shot copliot is a crew....

Oh yeah...

Derpy, derp, derp!

Note to self: drink MOAR coffee before posting,

Correct me if I am wrong, but I thought that you could spend a focus token even if you did not roll any eyeballs. Seems to me it make your focus evaporate regardless if it has any effect.

So now all we need to know is the exact timing. If someone with a focus and a TL attacks, does he have to spend the focus before he chooses to spend the TL, (or any other dice modification can trigger, like Lone Wolf)?