Kelvan, Blair, Sozin and Starslinger are joined by special guest PCGamerPirate to discuss Pirate’s potential changes to Xwing, the Suppressive Fire Rebel Tie Fighter preview, FAQ updates, and our preview and tier list for worlds. This one is a doozy and is our longest episode. We wanted to be comprehensive as we wouldn't be able to get 2 episodes in before worlds. It’ll be great if you’re driving up to worlds and want to think in depth about the lists you’ll see.

https://teamcovenant.com/star-wars-x-wing/sv-42-mega-worlds-preview-and-tier-list

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https://docs.google.com/document/d/15sP2rBar795I8RdvuwMooCPoQoUmtLK-7XW0vLVJ5wA/edit?usp=sharing

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https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dMG2Wyl1VzogIVl5aJRrcT3HKrgpIcdsvrFYKHxYcak/edit?usp=sharing

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Despite the title of the tier list we're clearly going to miss something. In your opinion what did we miss OR what was listed too high?

You don't seem to have rated trip defenders? IIRC that made it to the UK Nationals semis, it's a tough list at the moment.

I think bossk plus something (dengar or IG or shadowcaster or small ships) can qualify as tier 2. There are bossk builds that are capable of deleting ships.

You're also missing Manaroo+Fangs which is tier 1 at least.

You don't seem to have rated trip defenders? IIRC that made it to the UK Nationals semis, it's a tough list at the moment.

I'd put this in the Jax Defenders collumn and rename the whole category.

What's your fav trip defenders build?

You're also missing Manaroo+Fangs which is tier 1 at least.

Agreed, the "Scum Aces" build (Manaroo + Fang Ace + whatever) is something that's pretty nasty and I'd expect to see quite a bit of at Worlds.

My current favorite is:

Manaroo w/ Attanni Mindlink, Unhinged Astromech, K4 Security Droid, Feedback Array

Fenn Rau w/ Attanni Mindlink, Concord Dawn Protector, Autothrusters

Trandoshan Slaver w/ Dengar, Zuckuss, 4-LOM

There are plenty of other iterations on this concept

You're also missing Manaroo+Fangs which is tier 1 at least.

This was absolutely missed!

However I would personally rank it T2 as it's to me a lesser version of Palp Aces.

You're also missing Manaroo+Fangs which is tier 1 at least.

Agreed, the "Scum Aces" build (Manaroo + Fang Ace + whatever) is something that's pretty nasty and I'd expect to see quite a bit of at Worlds.

My current favorite is:

Manaroo w/ Attanni Mindlink, Unhinged Astromech, K4 Security Droid, Feedback Array

Fenn Rau w/ Attanni Mindlink, Concord Dawn Protector, Autothrusters

Trandoshan Slaver w/ Dengar, Zuckuss, 4-LOM

There are plenty of other iterations on this concept

I'm gonna try this out!

I think bossk plus something (dengar or IG or shadowcaster or small ships) can qualify as tier 2. There are bossk builds that are capable of deleting ships.

I think this plays into IG88 lists... we should perhaps reclassify.

I don't see any Sabine Connor K wings...

I don't see any Sabine Connor K wings...

My memory is fried from having to edit the episode, i think we mention these but didn't update the doc. but I will say this list is easily tier 2 with the lack of Uboats to burn them down.

Is the audio weird for anyone else? Had it arrive on my podcast feed and almost everyone is only in the right ear, except the captain who is super quiet in left ear.

You're also missing Manaroo+Fangs which is tier 1 at least.

Agreed, the "Scum Aces" build (Manaroo + Fang Ace + whatever) is something that's pretty nasty and I'd expect to see quite a bit of at Worlds.

My current favorite is:

Manaroo w/ Attanni Mindlink, Unhinged Astromech, K4 Security Droid, Feedback Array

Fenn Rau w/ Attanni Mindlink, Concord Dawn Protector, Autothrusters

Trandoshan Slaver w/ Dengar, Zuckuss, 4-LOM

There are plenty of other iterations on this concept

I'm gonna try this out!

I think Attanni Mindlink has flown under the radar for a while now but Fangs are the missing piece - a ship with enough greens to make the stress penalty a non-issue but with some great white and red moves that you actually want to use and can't with PTL. Shout out to Stay On The Leader for his great article on Attanni Mindlink here (minus the part where he bashes Pacific Rim ): http://stayontheleader.blogspot.com/2016/10/attani-mindlink-next-big-thing.html

For this build, most of the time you're getting 2 focus on Fenn Rau each turn along with probably a Target Lock, and then your choice of a 3rd focus, a boost or a barrel roll. Compared with PTL, you lose the ability to boost + barrel roll, but I'm finding that Fangs don't really miss it - you can't keep Fenn Rau alive forever, so you need to get in there and do damage. It helps that you have an open dial most of the time so you can actually use your white and red moves, which people don't seem to expect from an interceptor-type ship. Manaroo is kitted out to actually be somewhat relevant offensively. You still don't want her to die early since it leaves Fenn high and dry, but she can get into combat range and contribute without dying immediately. The Party Bus is insurance - it's durable anti-ace tech that doesn't care about token stripping or stress, so you have something that you can throw at your opponent's control pieces without eating the Mindlink penalty.

You're also missing Manaroo+Fangs which is tier 1 at least.

This was absolutely missed!

However I would personally rank it T2 as it's to me a lesser version of Palp Aces.

I'd personally say different, rather than lesser.

You don't seem to have rated trip defenders? IIRC that made it to the UK Nationals semis, it's a tough list at the moment.

I'd put this in the Jax Defenders collumn and rename the whole category.

What's your fav trip defenders build?

Personally I don't play it much (because I resolutely try to play lists no-one else is playing even when it's to my peril) but Vessery/Ryad/Delta is pretty common I think.

I'm 3-0 on vassal with this:

http://xwing-builder.co.uk/view/589193/mindlink-fenn-palob-manaroo#

Fenn + ML + AT + title

Palob + ML + TLT + Lattz + MC

Manaroo + ML + RecSpec + R4 agro + Plasma + GC

It's solid but I think it's probably more tier 1.5 than tier 1. Fenn is extremely high variance especially without an evade or Palp to back him up, so in a tournament where you can only afford 1 loss, its much more likely to lose one game vs a less skilled player than a list like Palp Aces.

I'm 3-0 on vassal with this:

http://xwing-builder.co.uk/view/589193/mindlink-fenn-palob-manaroo#

Fenn + ML + AT + title

Palob + ML + TLT + Lattz + MC

Manaroo + ML + RecSpec + R4 agro + Plasma + GC

It's solid but I think it's probably more tier 1.5 than tier 1. Fenn is extremely high variance especially without an evade or Palp to back him up, so in a tournament where you can only afford 1 loss, its much more likely to lose one game vs a less skilled player than a list like Palp Aces.

I'd agree with you on the tier placement. Once again T2 can win worlds and we fully expect a list we'd call T3 will make the top cut.

Second I love this list.

You're also missing Manaroo+Fangs which is tier 1 at least.

Agreed, the "Scum Aces" build (Manaroo + Fang Ace + whatever) is something that's pretty nasty and I'd expect to see quite a bit of at Worlds.

My current favorite is:

Manaroo w/ Attanni Mindlink, Unhinged Astromech, K4 Security Droid, Feedback Array

Fenn Rau w/ Attanni Mindlink, Concord Dawn Protector, Autothrusters

Trandoshan Slaver w/ Dengar, Zuckuss, 4-LOM

There are plenty of other iterations on this concept

Agreed. Manaroo, Fenn + Party bus can be brutal. It annihilated my double defender list last time we played (2 defenders + omega leader).

"Old Fennaroo" is a boring squad name. Vampiroo (Manaroo with two Fangs) or the very stylish Fangaroo are less clunky.

"Old Fennaroo" is a boring squad name. Vampiroo (Manaroo with two Fangs) or the very stylish Fangaroo are less clunky.

This the REAL feeback right here

Why no K-Wings on the tier list? Ghost + K-Wings, double Ks, and Ks with Biggs are all really good lists. Bombs are awesome. Sabine is awesome.

Also, not sure Rebel control will be coming back (pains me to say that). Y-Wings and B-Wings are their best options, and those guys are kinda boned even without Scouts. TLTs mess 'em up. Tractor beams mess 'em up. Defenders are fairly strong against stress, especially with Palp. Dengaroo munches them. I dunno . . . a lot of counters out there.

Why no K-Wings on the tier list? Ghost + K-Wings, double Ks, and Ks with Biggs are all really good lists. Bombs are awesome. Sabine is awesome.

Also, not sure Rebel control will be coming back (pains me to say that). Y-Wings and B-Wings are their best options, and those guys are kinda boned even without Scouts. TLTs mess 'em up. Tractor beams mess 'em up. Defenders are fairly strong against stress, especially with Palp. Dengaroo munches them. I dunno . . . a lot of counters out there.

I think we mentioned it a bit. I will say there are a lot of opportunities for Kwings w/ conner right now.

I think JM5ks are being slept on pretty hard here. Any list with Manaroo and good wing mates I believe is easily tier 1 and her ability is on par with Palpatine. I would even say Dengaroo is S tier.

Also, are Scouts dead dead? I think that may be a bit drastic. If someone has been practicing for months with Scouts, I think their first choice would be to modify their current list, not abandon it fully. Yes, Deadeye may be gone, but there are still options they have available, such as Mindlink and Crack Shot, and crew options like K4 Security droid to make up for the lack of Deadeye. Now yes, triple Uboats may be gone, but 2 Uboats + a bumpmaster, all with Mindlink seems like it could work, as well as 2 fully stocked Uboats with a cheaper 3rd option. If anything, I would say it is tier 2 at least.

I think JM5ks are being slept on pretty hard here. Any list with Manaroo and good wing mates I believe is easily tier 1 and her ability is on par with Palpatine. I would even say Dengaroo is S tier.

Also, are Scouts dead dead? I think that may be a bit drastic. If someone has been practicing for months with Scouts, I think their first choice would be to modify their current list, not abandon it fully. Yes, Deadeye may be gone, but there are still options they have available, such as Mindlink and Crack Shot, and crew options like K4 Security droid to make up for the lack of Deadeye. Now yes, triple Uboats may be gone, but 2 Uboats + a bumpmaster, all with Mindlink seems like it could work, as well as 2 fully stocked Uboats with a cheaper 3rd option. If anything, I would say it is tier 2 at least.

Kdubb tha god.

So can you expand on Manroo v Palpatine and why you think Manaroo might be just as good?

It's not dead, probably an overstatement. I've been having fun with Manaroo and an IG