Biggs Darklighter vs Ten Numb

By Drasnighta, in Star Wars: Armada Rules Questions

Here we are with another one!

The question basically boils down to:

swm25-biggs-darklighter.png swm25-ten-numb.png

What is the damage that is dealt out by Ten Numb.

Now, we know that Biggs (and consequently, gallant Haven) will not work against Mauler Mithel. I contend this is because there are two parts to their Triggers... The first is "Suffers Damage", and the other is "During an Attack"...

Mauler-mithel.png Gallant-haven.png

Now, we all agree they Suffer Damage. They're not Dealt Damage, they Suffer Damage... That wording satisfies the first part of the Trigger, Suffering Damage.

however... It is during a Move... Engageing... Not during an attack...

Which brings us to Ten Numb...

HIS activation is "While Attacking"...

Would not "While Attacking" suffice a "during an attack" trigger?

Yes, it would.

Critical Effects, RRG Page 4

  • The attacker can resolve only one critical effect per attack.
  • Squadrons cannot resolve or suffer critical effects unless otherwise specified.

Its during the attack, so Ten can spread it.

Critical Effects, RRG Page 4

  • The attacker can resolve only one critical effect per attack.
  • Squadrons cannot resolve or suffer critical effects unless otherwise specified.

Its during the attack, so Ten can spread it.

I agree, but I see the argument you are making here is irrelevant -

Its not a Critical Effect.

Its the result of spending a die. It resolves before we even get to the Critical part of the damage step - Or even the damage step itself!

Critical Effects, RRG Page 4

  • The attacker can resolve only one critical effect per attack.
  • Squadrons cannot resolve or suffer critical effects unless otherwise specified.

Its during the attack, so Ten can spread it.

I agree, but I see the argument you are making here is irrelevant -

Its not a Critical Effect.

Its the result of spending a die. It resolves before we even get to the Critical part of the damage step - Or even the damage step itself!

Very good point. In which case its part of the Modify Dice step, which means its during the attack.

As it is, I agree he can.

My bet is that Biggs will very likely be errata'd to "from an attack" just because I don't want Biggs to hard counter a useful rebel ace. There are too few of those.

It says on Ten that they suffer 1 damage and aren't being directly attacked so Biggs wouldn't work I think.

Phillip my words! :)

Biggs will be able to "Biggs" a "Numb"!

It says on Ten that they suffer 1 damage and aren't being directly attacked so Biggs wouldn't work I think.

But does Biggs care about that?

Biggs explicitly cares when people:

1) Suffer Damage

2) Do so during an attack.

Does not say it has to be from an attack, simply during an attack.

After misreading Biggs' ability as "from an attack", not "during an attack", I've been thinking about and considering how it balances in the game. Here are my thoughts.

Firstly, I now think there a very good arguement for Biggs to spread Numb's damage around and here is why.

1. How common is this likely to be? Unlike XI7 v AP (for eg), this is a Rebel only problem in mirror matches using unique squadrons

2. How restrictive is it? Biggs only works with Escort squadrons. He can't protect any one else

3. Is it reducing the damage? No, its only spreading it around. If there are 4 squadrons around the ship being attack and Numb's using his ability, then 4 damage is still being taken, Biggs just decides were it goes to any squads with Escort. Non-Escorts are still damaged and Biggs is of no use.

It isn't game breaking and limited in its use, so apart from Reeikan Aces, were Biggs could sacrifice himself to save Luke and Wedge for example, I think it ok that Biggs can redirct the damage from Numbs ability

@Gowtah, yes I think that will happen

By the same argument, Ruthless Strategists versus Rieekan Escorts....

By the same argument, Ruthless Strategists versus Rieekan Escorts....

How do you mean?

It was determined that Zombied Escorts with no hull remaining can continue to take damage.

However, in the case of Biggs, Ruthless Strategists happens After an attack, not during an attack, so Biggs himself does not trigger....

By the same argument, Ruthless Strategists versus Rieekan Escorts....

How do you mean?

It was determined that Zombied Escorts with no hull remaining can continue to take damage.

However, in the case of Biggs, Ruthless Strategists happens After an attack, not during an attack, so Biggs himself does not trigger....

True. True

Ahh zombie Biggs, gonna be the biggest troll around! Screw killing himself with the damage. Put it all on Luke one round, Wedge the next, and then he can go down. Thank goodness Rogue Squadron doesn't have escort, or any other unique for that matter!!

Biggs counters:

IG 88

Mithel

Ruthless

Any more?

Biggs counters:

IG 88

Mithel

Ruthless

Any more?

I don't think this is what you are saying, but in case someone reads your post and takes it the wrong way- I'd say that Biggs can still move damage from an IG attack.

Seems to me that Biggs is there to help all Xwing load outs where traditionally the escort is wasted.

Of course.

But IG will be shooting at a non-escort. Like Jan or Dengar or Rhymer etc