Is the Shadow Caster / Aggressor team viable?

By Ob3ron, in X-Wing

In anticipation of getting the Shadow Caster I bought the Aggressor because of the ability to share pilot abilities, not completely understanding that the synergy doesn't go both ways--the Aggressor pilot doesn't get Onyo or Sabine's abilities. I'm glad I did, but having played against Shadow Caster, I'm not sure of whether I want one now.

Yeah, there are some nice cards, but convince me that these two large Scum ships can work well together. Your base cost is 75 points to give Onyo IG-88B's ability, what next?

EDIT: Sorry, didn't want to limit it to just Onyo or 88B as pilots, but what works best for these two ships.

Edited by Ob3ron

The Shadowcaster can't equip cannons, so IGB is useless there.

Onyo cannot use IG-88B's ability, as the Lancer does not have a cannon slot.

I think there may be builds that could have potential to do pretty well but it really depends on how good you are at flying it.

Asajj+IG-C is amazing. PTL+EU works amazing with Asajj, and in this build she gets even an evade token.

Boost-evade-targetlock. Hit well, then tractor in front of IG-C.

I played this squad few times, and it works well

Edited by Cerve

Asajj+IGD is amazing. PTL+EU works amazing with Asajj, and in this build she gets even an evade token.

Boost-evade-targetlock. Hit well, then tractor in front of IG-D.

I played this squad few times, and it works well

he's trying to use the IG crew which happens to be D so you can't pair it with the IG-88D pilot, basically if you take a shadow caster your limited to having an Agressor with A or C but if you take C then you need to invest in Engine upgrade on your Shadowcaster.

Tbh I think you get more mileage out of running a Shadow Caster (with another crew, like Dengar)with IG-88B and using the Tractor Beam effect of the title to set up better IG cannon shots.

You can use IG88-C and Ketsu/Assaj with the crew if you like. Darth Evil explains it pretty well above.

But I wouldn't get caught up on spamming that title onto a shadowcaster. The two can work together without having to do that, and in my opinion are better in doing so because the Caster would make better use of the crew slot. Latts Razzi on Assaj, or Dengar/K4 on Ketsu. Which in my opinion allows you to play the better bot - IG88-B with HLC

Whats more the added benefit doesn't leave when you lose the Bot and only have the Caster left

I honestly think Asajj is better off using Latts as crew if you want extra durability. I focused on Ketsu.

Ketsu Onyo — Lancer-class Pursuit Craft 38

Intimidation 2 IG-88D 1 Rigged Cargo Chute 1 Rigged Cargo Chute 1 Engine Upgrade 4 Shadow Caster 3 Ship Total: 50

IG-88C — Aggressor 36

Push the Limit 3 Advanced Sensors 3 "Mangler" Cannon 4 Glitterstim 2 Autothrusters 2 IG-2000 0 Ship Total: 50

Basically the idea is to use Ketsu's fat A%$ to get into the thick of it and block your enemy while Iggy remains aloof. If you manage to block a fighter with Ketsu you're gonna take 2-3 off his/her green die and have the option of throwing them onto a rock. I honestly put the Rigged chutes in for fun, you could swap them for something more practical like a EMP device or BMST. All though in the case of BMST I don't imagine you'll have the action available most the time as boost would be better.

You could also slap on PTL for Ketsu, this would make your ship a bit more independent and perhaps a bit more practical. Once again I just like ramming people and tossing rocks :P

Ketsu Onyo — Lancer-class Pursuit Craft 38

Push the Limit 3 IG-88D 1 EMP Device 2 Engine Upgrade 4 Shadow Caster 3 Ship Total: 51

IG-88C — Aggressor 36

Push the Limit 3 Fire-Control System 2 "Mangler" Cannon 4 Glitterstim 2 Autothrusters 2 IG-2000 0 Ship Total: 49

Something like this would be a bit more competitive. Two highly mobile ships with a large health pool and the option for 2 evade tokens every turn is a royal pain in the a** to kill.

Edited by BomberGob

IG88 (either B or C) + Asajj is a strong list archetype. Definitely top tier. Its got serious game against any of the big lists out there, but its not easy to fly. I started with IG88B but ultimately found IG88C more effective, although that probably has more to do with my playstyle than with IG88B not being good...

As blade_mercurial said, it is definitely a good list.

Just consider that both IG88 and Asajj are definitely great ships on their own, especially at exactly 50 pts with upgrades, then it is easy to see that they can play well together in a 100 pt list.

Asajj+IGD is amazing. PTL+EU works amazing with Asajj, and in this build she gets even an evade token.

Boost-evade-targetlock. Hit well, then tractor in front of IG-D.

I played this squad few times, and it works well

he's trying to use the IG crew which happens to be D so you can't pair it with the IG-88D pilot, basically if you take a shadow caster your limited to having an Agressor with A or C but if you take C then you need to invest in Engine upgrade on your Shadowcaster.

Sorry, ofc I meaning IG-C. I was saying as EU+free evade is amazing into PTL Asajj, so I mistaked with letters (:

Asajj+IG-C

if you completely avoid the IG-88D crew and just focus on the two ships as strong individuals, then yes

they're both very strong on their own, but really anything packing IG-88D crew is just going to be a **** version of a real aggressor

Edited by ficklegreendice

if you completely avoid the IG-88D crew and just focus on the two ships as strong individuals, then yes

they're both very strong on their own, but really anything packing IG-88D crew is just going to be a **** version of a real aggressor

Nah is not real, IG crew+C works well. Not my idea, I just copy that list on the net. You literally brings Razzi bonus without bring out stress from your target.

You lost the B gunner effect, but your FCS C will shot to a tractored target. So it still punch.

I like it, some one is doing nice with this list. Don't know who

if you completely avoid the IG-88D crew and just focus on the two ships as strong individuals, then yes

they're both very strong on their own, but really anything packing IG-88D crew is just going to be a **** version of a real aggressor

You literally brings Razzi bonus without bring out stress from your target.

Not quite. Latts is usable every time you're attacked as long as the attacker has stress. An Evade is only usable once.

^And Latts doesn't mind if you bump, which should never be overlooked.

Honestly, though, I think you lose a lot of what makes Brobots so good with this list. As a player, I've never had an issue taking out a sole IG, even paired with the Shadowcaster. I can't speak to the skill/familiarity of my opponents, I guess, but Scum can use 50pts better to build a better compliment for a Shadowcaster.

Depends on matchup, but I don't think the list does particularly well against Aces, especially "stress-less" aces like Defenders.

Maybe we just don't have any good IG players trying it around here, though, so my opinion my be especially jaded.

Edited by ArbitraryNerd

I'm getting a feeling that Shadow Caster is fun and the IG-88D crew isn't one of the stronger cards to use, but might work with some other ship, so worthwhile. Thanks for the thoughts everyone!

^And Latts doesn't mind if you bump, which should never be overlooked.

Honestly, though, I think you lose a lot of what makes Brobots so good with this list. As a player, I've never had an issue taking out a sole IG, even paired with the Shadowcaster. I can't speak to the skill/familiarity of my opponents, I guess, but Scum can use 50pts better to build a better compliment for a Shadowcaster.

Depends on matchup, but I don't think the list does particularly well against Aces, especially "stress-less" aces like Defenders.

Maybe we just don't have any good IG players trying it around here, though, so my opinion my be especially jaded.

I actually think they do have great game against defenders, one of the reasons I'm considering ig88b and shadow caster, just build them separately from each other, no ig crew. Here are all the anti defender tools

My build first

Lancer-class Pursuit Craft: · Asajj Ventress (37)

Push The Limit (3)

Gyroscopic targeting (2)

· Latts Razzi (2)

· Shadow Caster (3)

Black Market Slicer Tools (1)

Aggressor: · IG-88B (36)

Fearlessness (1)

Heavy Laser Cannon (7)

Fire Control System (2)

Autothrusters (2)

Glitterstim (2)

It's 98 points, so there are two points to spend on either a bomb, tractor beam on ig, rigged cargo, glitterstim, upgrade to engine on asajj, a little wiggle room right now

But anyway so, anti defender stuff

Tractor beam, landing them on a rock or facing one for their k-turn

Ig88's gunner effect, to spend their tokens and wear out their defense for hlc to blast through

Ryad doesn't mind stress, but after ptl, double stressing her will limit her ability as well as limit her ability to have a target lock for vessary

black market also takes care of Ryad, double stress her after ptl, then you have a stress for Latts and a stress to land black market damage.

Defender's are solid against everything of course, but this has tools to fight it.

if you completely avoid the IG-88D crew and just focus on the two ships as strong individuals, then yes

they're both very strong on their own, but really anything packing IG-88D crew is just going to be a **** version of a real aggressor

You literally brings Razzi bonus without bring out stress from your target.

Not quite. Latts is usable every time you're attacked as long as the attacker has stress. An Evade is only usable once.

Yes, and how many times a stressed ship is going to shoot you in the turn? 90% of times just one.

As an evade token

if you completely avoid the IG-88D crew and just focus on the two ships as strong individuals, then yes

they're both very strong on their own, but really anything packing IG-88D crew is just going to be a **** version of a real aggressor

You literally brings Razzi bonus without bring out stress from your target.

Not quite. Latts is usable every time you're attacked as long as the attacker has stress. An Evade is only usable once.

Yes, and how many times a stressed ship is going to shoot you in the turn? 90% of times just one.

As an evade token

Yes but with Latts you don't need to spend an action to get it, so actually you can evade action and use latts. And it doesn't force you to need to spend your actions to evade or boost. If you wanna focus target lock for more power or reposition your arc, your free to, and Latts will provide the defence you need

Plus people seem to be really into mindlink, which Latts laughs with joy to see

if you completely avoid the IG-88D crew and just focus on the two ships as strong individuals, then yes

they're both very strong on their own, but really anything packing IG-88D crew is just going to be a **** version of a real aggressor

You literally brings Razzi bonus without bring out stress from your target.

Not quite. Latts is usable every time you're attacked as long as the attacker has stress. An Evade is only usable once.

Yes, and how many times a stressed ship is going to shoot you in the turn? 90% of times just one.

As an evade token

But it's not the same, because there could be multiple stressed ships shooting at you, for any number of reasons. So you could trigger Latts multiple times in a round.

Which makes it different, and potentially better than, an Evade token. Furthermore, it can SUPPLEMENT an Evade token, which an Evade token can't.

if you completely avoid the IG-88D crew and just focus on the two ships as strong individuals, then yes

they're both very strong on their own, but really anything packing IG-88D crew is just going to be a **** version of a real aggressor

You literally brings Razzi bonus without bring out stress from your target.

Not quite. Latts is usable every time you're attacked as long as the attacker has stress. An Evade is only usable once.

Yes, and how many times a stressed ship is going to shoot you in the turn? 90% of times just one.

As an evade token

But it's not the same, because there could be multiple stressed ships shooting at you, for any number of reasons. So you could trigger Latts multiple times in a round.

Which makes it different, and potentially better than, an Evade token. Furthermore, it can SUPPLEMENT an Evade token, which an Evade token can't.

Yeah and that's completely another list :-/

Asajj IG-C works great, even without Razzi :) that is what I'm saying. Asajj can live without Razzi