Hi fellow pilots,

This is more a Star Wars question than an X-Wing question.I keep getting confused because people call the KOTOR Republic the "Old Republic" and others call the Clone Wars era Republic the "Old Republic". I'm pretty shure that, in the movies, the Clone Wars era Republic citizens call the KOTOR Republic "Old Republic", but the New Republic citizens (from Crimson Empire, etc.) refer to the Clone Wars era Republic as "Old Republic"!

Thank you in advance,

YariSamurai

No people call the prequels s*** kotor will always be the old republic.

The old Republic is, to me, Revans era.

The Republic is, to me, the prequel era.

The thousands of years between... meh. Depends on context i suppose.

Same-same.

For over a thousand generations, the Jedi Knights were the guardians of peace and justice in the Old Republic. Before the dark times, before the Empire.

The Old Republic was just called the Republic when it actually existed, and it covers the entire history between KOTOR and the founding of the Empire, and even before that, thousands of years. I prefer to call the Prequel time as the Palpatine Era or Palpatine Republic since he became Chancellor in Episode one and basically ruled the galaxy after that, even tho the Empire wasn't officially declared for another 13 years.

I've always thought of the "Old Republic" as the time before the empire, spanning from even before KOTOR and ends with the end of the clone wars.

The "Old Republic" is everything from the founding thousands of years ago, to the dissolution by the Empire. It was all one government. The Republic of KOTOR, and the Republic of the PT is one and the same.

The Republic in KotoR is not the same as the Republic of the prequels. Story Group has designated KotoR as a separate UNIVERSE with no continuity to either Legends or Canon content.

Do you have any quotes on that? I don't understand why would they make it separate from legends.

The "Old Republic" is everything from the founding thousands of years ago, to the dissolution by the Empire. It was all one government. The Republic of KOTOR, and the Republic of the PT is one and the same.

YwingAce has it right, as far as I know. The Old Republic (as opposed to the New Republic) is everything from KOTOR all the way to the end of the Republic and its replacement with the Empire. It is confusing, and referring to the time around the prequels as to well, the prequels makes a lot more sense.

http://www.starwars.com/news/swca-one-big-story-star-wars-canon-panel-liveblog#liveblog-entry-473

The link above is to a panel on Star Wars Canon from Star Wars Celebration Anaheim. One of the questions was: "Are The Old Republic expansions canon?"

Pablo Hidalgo's answer: "No — BioWare “has created their own universe that is so fantastic,” we’re not going to change it."

I've come across other references talking about continuity issues between The Old Repblic series and the canon SW universe, but it doesn't get any more clear than that panel answer.

http://www.starwars.com/news/swca-one-big-story-star-wars-canon-panel-liveblog#liveblog-entry-473

The link above is to a panel on Star Wars Canon from Star Wars Celebration Anaheim. One of the questions was: "Are The Old Republic expansions canon?"

Pablo Hidalgo's answer: "No — BioWare “has created their own universe that is so fantastic,” we’re not going to change it."

I've come across other references talking about continuity issues between The Old Repblic series and the canon SW universe, but it doesn't get any more clear than that panel answer.

The old republic era created some absurd force powers, to the point were everyone in "normal" Star Wars is just weak, including the freaking "Chosen One" and the one Sith lord that actually managed to destroy the Jedi order. Jedi and Sith are more like super heroes and villains in that continuity, which I believe is its one weakness.

However that quote only talks about the running TOR MMO. It is still very much possible that there will be bits pulled from the ancient republic era as has already happened with Darth Banes tomb on Moraband (I think, whatever they renamed Corriban to) and more recently (read: after the Disney aquisition and the EU reset) with the mention of a great battle at Malachor where Jedi and Sith of old were involved in some capacitiy. Appareantly no more Mandalorains, but that could also be attributed to history being blurry over such a long period.

The Old Republic was just called the Republic when it actually existed, and it covers the entire history between KOTOR and the founding of the Empire, and even before that, thousands of years.

In one of the TCW episodes (Citadel arc, Season 3), the phrase:

"There have not been battles like these since the days of the Old Republic."

was used.

From Season 2:

"This lightsaber was stolen from your Jedi Temple by my ancestors during the fall of the Old Republic."

So - there's an implication that the Republic of the prequels, replaced an "Old Republic" which fell.

That said, Obi-Wan, after the fall of the "Republic" is probably conflating the two in ANH - to emphasise the continuity of the Jedi Order's guardianship.

Well TCW is part of Disney and Legends canon.

So this has is the reason of citizens of the CW Era using the term Old Republic.

The Ruusan Reformation was an event that restructured the entire Galactic Republic following the New Sith Wars , taking power away from the Supreme Chancellor and reinvesting it in the Galactic Senate .

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Ruusan_Reformation

It was the Republic from 25000 BBY to 1000 BBY. And then... It was reformed and still called the Republic.

To differentiate people from 1000 BBY to 19 BBY called it the Old Republic. But after the Rise of the Empire it was common to call everything from 25000 BBY up to 19 BBY the Old Republic because it was.

The Republic in KotoR is not the same as the Republic of the prequels. Story Group has designated KotoR as a separate UNIVERSE with no continuity to either Legends or Canon content.

Actually, this is incorrect. It specifically relates to the "The Old Republic" MMO universe, and does NOT refer to the Knights of the Old Republic video games or comic series, which are still considered Legends. The MMO and the expansions that have gone WAY outside of the normal SW Universe are a separate entity, which is supposedly why they are still able to produce content for them (since new Legends content has, so far, been a no-no).

I may have even seen one of the MMO novels with the Legends header, but I'd have to look again. The novels were also pre-canon break, so TOR wasn't branching into their current, 100% homegrown lore.

http://www.starwars.com/news/swca-one-big-story-star-wars-canon-panel-liveblog#liveblog-entry-473

The link above is to a panel on Star Wars Canon from Star Wars Celebration Anaheim. One of the questions was: "Are The Old Republic expansions canon?"

Pablo Hidalgo's answer: "No — BioWare “has created their own universe that is so fantastic,” we’re not going to change it."

I've come across other references talking about continuity issues between The Old Repblic series and the canon SW universe, but it doesn't get any more clear than that panel answer.

The old republic era created some absurd force powers, to the point were everyone in "normal" Star Wars is just weak, including the freaking "Chosen One" and the one Sith lord that actually managed to destroy the Jedi order. Jedi and Sith are more like super heroes and villains in that continuity, which I believe is its one weakness.

However that quote only talks about the running TOR MMO. It is still very much possible that there will be bits pulled from the ancient republic era as has already happened with Darth Banes tomb on Moraband (I think, whatever they renamed Corriban to) and more recently (read: after the Disney aquisition and the EU reset) with the mention of a great battle at Malachor where Jedi and Sith of old were involved in some capacitiy. Appareantly no more Mandalorains, but that could also be attributed to history being blurry over such a long period.

Yup, only the TOR continuity seems to be nebulous, things like KotOR and KotOR 2 are still firmly legends. I think the Rebels went to Malachore 5 in Rebels. Anyways, it's been mentioned a few times, and Darth Bane is canon per TCW. Moraband is their stupid and absurd rename of Korriban. I don't think there's necessarily not Mandalorians involved at Malachore. The great battle could be referring to the events of KotOR 2, and not the Mandalorian Wars.

Bane appeared in The Phantom Menace novelization, but any details about his life (except that he created the rule of two), as well as Ruusan Reformation, Darth Zannah and all the other details from the Bane Trilogy are legends.

Rebels Malachor is not referred to as Malachor V, and while there are some similarities, there are also clear differences, like the apperance of the planet, the nature of the superweapon, the number of Jedi and Sith involved.

I vaguely remember reading about the Story Group being unhappy with KotOR, especially in regards to the technological progress (or regress) and stylistics (Republic stylized after the Rebel Alliance and Sith after the Empire), but maybe I was imagining things as I can't find it now.

I think the question deals with Bioware's Old Republic games in general, not just the MMO. As I understand it, the MMO is dependent on the KotoR timeline.

Using pieces from a non-canon source (such as the use of Darth Bane's tomb) does not grant any special status to the entirety of that tidbit's source material.

The games are good. the stories are good. They still deserve attention, with the caveat: beware continuity issues.

I think the question deals with Bioware's Old Republic games in general, not just the MMO. As I understand it, the MMO is dependent on the KotoR timeline.

Using pieces from a non-canon source (such as the use of Darth Bane's tomb) does not grant any special status to the entirety of that tidbit's source material.

The games are good. the stories are good. They still deserve attention, with the caveat: beware continuity issues.

No, it's just the MMO. There are references to Revan on other Legends works, and there is a comic series set in the KotoR time frame.

The stuff that has been created for the MMO is what causes it to be non-Legends -- their whole new Sith Empire, with all the new, badass CG trailers, are specifically what is being referred to. That it uses history from other Legends material, doesn't invalidate those Legends.

Still pointless, as nothing is happening with Legends, but oh well.

EDIT: Also, we're not free of continuity issues, even if we reduce the series to episodes 1-6. So that's just par the course.

Bane appeared in The Phantom Menace novelization, but any details about his life (except that he created the rule of two), as well as Ruusan Reformation, Darth Zannah and all the other details from the Bane Trilogy are legends.

Rebels Malachor is not referred to as Malachor V, and while there are some similarities, there are also clear differences, like the apperance of the planet, the nature of the superweapon, the number of Jedi and Sith involved.

I vaguely remember reading about the Story Group being unhappy with KotOR, especially in regards to the technological progress (or regress) and stylistics (Republic stylized after the Rebel Alliance and Sith after the Empire), but maybe I was imagining things as I can't find it now.

Well Wookieepedia (which granted isn't a canon source), seems to consider Malachor the canonization of Malachor V. I mean, things change when they are put back into canon. I think it's safe to assume it's one and the same, and the lore is just a little different. Also Bane appears in a vision in TCW making him canon. Novelizations are always legends I believe.

But that's just the name, none of the KotOR 2 story has been canonized along with it.

"I like the idea of this powerful, ancient woman that has domination that we've never heard of before, that was creating this massive weapon," Filoni says. "And in the midst of the construction of this thing, when it was nearing completion, it got assaulted by ancient Jedi Knights. They have this huge battle at the foot of the temple, basically, and the weapon fires or malfunctions and everyone gets turned to stone."

That's not what happened in KotOR 2 or its backstory.

Woah, I didn't think this would lead to such a big discussion!

Personally, I like to think that the Old Republic era is "legends" in it's literal meaning: it is like it's kind of "real" SW legends, as if all what we know was passed through the generations of Jedi and Sith up to the Clone Wars era, as if the storys we know (such as the overly powerful Sith) are tales that may have been subject to exagerrations by overly eager storytellers, but hold a bit of truth in them.

Thanks for all of you that participated at this discussion,

YariSamurai

But that's just the name, none of the KotOR 2 story has been canonized along with it.

"I like the idea of this powerful, ancient woman that has domination that we've never heard of before, that was creating this massive weapon," Filoni says. "And in the midst of the construction of this thing, when it was nearing completion, it got assaulted by ancient Jedi Knights. They have this huge battle at the foot of the temple, basically, and the weapon fires or malfunctions and everyone gets turned to stone."[/size]

That's not what happened in KotOR 2 or its backstory.

Kind of is. (spoilers for those who haven't played KotOR 2): Ancient woman = Kreia. She's basically the sole master of the Force left. Her mission? Use a massive weapon (her Force power and potential) to destroy the Force. She's stopped by Jedi Exile, and her companions (Of whom several are or become jedi if you progress far enough into their stories). That last bit differs somewhat from the ending (not everyone dies, but the weapon does go off), but for the most part, that just looks like an embellished version of the story. But I never said the story was canon, the point is Malachor itself is canon, which leads to the potential for an eventual canonization of those events.

Governor Tarkin: The Imperial Senate will no longer be of any concern to us. I have just received word that the Emperor has dissolved the council permanently. The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away forever.

Governor Tarkin: The Imperial Senate will no longer be of any concern to us. I have just received word that the Emperor has dissolved the council permanently. The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away forever.

Congrats, it only took over 30 years for Palpy to ditch the legislative branch.